Skip to comments.Who should MDs let die in a pandemic? Report offers answers
Posted on 04/26/2009 12:14:37 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3
CHICAGO Doctors know some patients needing lifesaving care won't get it in a flu pandemic or other disaster. The gut-wrenching dilemma will be deciding who to let die. Now, an influential group of physicians has drafted a grimly specific list of recommendations for which patients wouldn't be treated. They include the very elderly, seriously hurt trauma victims, severely burned patients and those with severe dementia.
The suggested list was compiled by a task force whose members come from prestigious universities, medical groups, the military and government agencies. They include the Department of Homeland Security, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Department of Health and Human Services.
The proposed guidelines are designed to be a blueprint for hospitals so that everybody will be thinking in the same way when pandemic flu or another widespread health care disaster hits, said Dr. Asha Devereaux. She is a critical care specialist in San Diego and lead writer of the task force report.
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That is true.
I was just saying that triage is one of those necessary resource-management/optimization problems; they have to consider both how many expendable resources “fixing” the person will take, as well as how long reusable resources would be committed to them.
Case in point, suppose you only have one wheel-chair to transport patients and something heavy falls over nearby severing someone’s arm and only breaking another’s legs. You would most likely commit the wheel-chair to the one with broken legs, to minimize damage walking would cause, and then after applying a quick tourniquet to the severed-arm (to effectively stop the bleeding) one nurse/assistant/person would help him walk to the treatment area and another [possibly, though he might have to wheel himself if manpower is too low] could wheel the other to the treatment area.
Thanks for the link.
your point is taken. I should have put a Just Kidding tag at the end of that.
The irony is that any triage that would be put into effect would most likly not affect the rich or the politcians. If, God forbid, this breaks, and Ted Kennedy or Robert Byrd goes thru the system, every string imaginable would be used to save their lives while people with the same health problems would be turned away.
That would be disgusting.
Thanks. Will check it out.
Of course, it is easy to see where this is going. The health care workers all get treated. They are being guarded by national guard and police, who of course will have to have priority for treatment. And of course the civil authorities who will have to organize and control all of this will have priority for treatment. And naturally, since it doesn’t do any good to treat the mayor if her husband and kids get sick and spread the infection to her honor, they have priority for treatment. And naturally the union rep representing the health care workers will need to have priority for treatment. His family too, of course.
The rest of us can go pound sand.
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
INSIDIOUS VALUES FROM HELL toward the destructive seduction into hell of millions.
. . . he that saves his life shall lose it;
he that loses his life for Christ’s sake shall find it saved eternally.
some claim that the waiting chambers . . . are much more efficient, now.
reportedly . . . wherein the rail cars can be enclosed . . . which might explain the visions some have had of mile long trains carrying bodies . . .
I didn't think I even needed a tag for that one.
Don't forget exposure to sunshine twenty minutes a day; preferably in the morning. Best of all; it's free!
This list, if applied without favoritism, could enable the enforcement of “term limits” on some members of Congress, and maybe SCOTUS and other Federal Judgeships.
“Politicians, Illegal Immigrants, Prisoners, and Federal Employees not directly employed by a defense agency or FBI/CIA/BP. In that order.”
First on your list should be IRS, followed by BATF.
Some prisoners in the Justice? system in this country are political prisoners. They should not be on your list. A couple years ago I visited the Federal Correctional Facility in Morgantown, WV, and it was a real eye-opener to see the older, caucasian males in there as “political prisoners”.
In this day and time, it pays to be ultra-cautious about such things. You never know who’s trolling these forums.
Of course the elites will be treated to a higher standard of care than us peons, that’s the way the system works, either you are in power or you are subjected to it.
I appears like they found a solution to the upcoming social security crisis.
Yep, that’s fairly much the flowchart for dispensing medical care in an epidemic. And once those people are cared for, maybe you’ll be deemed productive enough to be worthy of consideration.
Best thing is to hunker down with family as soon as possible (if you and they aren’t sick already) and keep away from others until the epidemic has run its course. That does assume you’ve made arrangements to feed and protect yourself before SHTF of course.
Some of them are dead already, especially in Illinois.
IMO, we’re mixing up two entirely different topics in this thread.
It’s no secret that the statist/totalitarian goal is population control through birth control/abortion/euthanasia, which ironically, effects the poor, underprivileged and the minorities the most, and those are the unknowing folks who actually vote for their own demise. Sad. My own belief is that all human life is sacred, created in the image of God. He placed us here, and will call us back when He is ready.
Triage techniques have been a part of medicine for literally centuries, literally since men began killing each other in organized battles on battlefields. The French perfected the original techniques during the Napoleonic wars and WWI. Triage is a necessary thing when casualties overwhelm the system. Controversial? absolutely. But necessary during times of great catastrophe, when the sick overwhelm the ability to be treated. Thinking about the Black Plague might help to understand this concept. Literally too many sick people to care for them all, tragically.
The rub comes when a catastrophe is engineered in order to bring about a specific result- in this case, perhaps triage and identifying “sub-optimal” humans. The Nazi’s did this as a matter of routine during their reign of terror.
We are certainly seeing many old Nazi techniques being resurrected (poor choice of words, perhaps) these days. I would remain vigilant, and very, very suspicious. As Rahm Emmanuel says, “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.
Wow, a rational person. I said this yesterday. The cases in the US are mild, no deaths. This is yet another crisis being used by Bozo and the boys to distract us from his BS.
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