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There is no base for "creationism science" or "intelligent design," so how can people teach it if they have no material or start? How can you even test children on ID?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have failed to find any theories, research papers, explanations, science publications, or even minute proof for the creationist/ID claims. Before this century, people have always seemed to be fine with teaching these types of things in a theology or social sciences class next to other religious myths. I find it troubling that people are so quick at painting on accusations of hidden agendas and motives like scientists have all banded together to fight religion and provide opposing views in the name of satan. This could not be further from the truth. If you feel that the science community is maliciously spreading lies and deceit, then stop trusting their medicines and technology. It is that simple!

Scientists love finding problems in their work.. Scientists of all religions, all over the world. Why would anyone sane love having to do tremendous amounts of work and experiments..? Well, if it is an important finding.. they often become famous and get grant money thrown at them. It gets on my nerves that people take a good majority of modern science with as much seriousness as they would any pseudo-science like homeopathy or the scientology crap. Theories of all kinds are published for the sole purposes of being scrutinized and teaching others.

And why can't evolution be a form of intelligent design, anyway? It sure looks like it to me. I don't know about your God, but my God is powerful and smart enough to make a beautiful process such as genetic evolution. A process so beautiful and amazing that I am surprised more and more Christians don't openly accept it with wide arms. It just shows that my God is an awesome God and can do anything, it strengthens my faith.

If evolution weren't at least partly true, we wouldn't have domesticated animals or new varieties of plants and fruits. There wouldn't be different variations of human physical features. We wouldn't have found all these fossils of creatures long gone. If evolution weren't somewhat true, man wouldn't have been able to genetically modify a potato to grow hair or rat neurons to turn bright fluorescent colors.

Many witness evolutionary changes very easily in simple organisms but fail to step back and take a look at the bigger picture. The flu virus mutates quite often. The main method of destruction for the AIDS virus is the fact that it can mutate very quickly to evade our defenses. Look at nearly any human genome and you might be surprised to see that our DNA has genes which aren't even important to us, but serve as vital proteins in other organisms. Genetic mutations that viruses have implanted or others that have passed with us from our ancestors fill a good majority of our inactive DNA.

When one sits down and looks at the evidence we have so far it is very hard to say evolution is not an ongoing process. When creationist advocates and scholars decide to sit down and compose texts describing the methods, proof, importance, origin, and general structure of intelligent design.. then and only then will it even start to be taken seriously in the academic field..
The only real "facts" about creationism now is.. what? The Bible's divinity itself and a scholarly monk who "calculated" the age of the Earth from it?

Could someone please try to explain to me, in a logical manner, of the proof we have so far of ID?

I don't care if I get criticized for my beliefs, they won't change. Those of you who do or even think about judging me should already know that prejudice is evil in origin and hate is equal to murder in the eyes of our Lord.
15 posted on 03/19/2009 11:32:49 AM PDT by leonid
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Check out Dr. Walt Brown has made his creation book available for free online. 3 parts w/ the 1st dedicated to what is proven (micro-evolution) and what isn’t (macro-evolution or species evolving into higher life forms).

Dr. Brown’s online book details his hydroplate theory (part II) regarding the cataclismic movement of the continents. Dr. Brown originally worked as an evolutionary scientist. His credentials are impeccable and his book provides references to most everything he asserts even though it is mostly presented in laymans terms.

He also includes much of the math involved in his estimates. Part 3 is a question and answer section. It is the most complete and highly detailed/researched for any creation science reference.

38 posted on 03/19/2009 6:45:38 PM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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