Today, A proposed amendment to the Constitution.. Abolishing the Electoral College!

GovTrack: Senate Record: ^

[thatjoeguy]

S.J. Res. 4. A joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to abolish the electoral college and to provide for the direct popular election of the President and Vice President of the United States; to the Committee on the Judiciary. Excerpt: "S.J. Res. 4"

[thatjoeguy]

Oh Crap! Check the URL out to keep up to date. Hope we can get in front of this and KILL IT!!

[thatjoeguy]

Whoops, note: You need to scroll all the way down to see the actual bill.

JB

[ryan71]

How about an amendment in favor of TERM LIMITS?

[Publius]

This has been introduced every year since 2001. It’s not going anywhere.

[avacado]

So Sen. Bill Nelson [D-FL] is in Soros’ pocket too!

December 14, 2008
By JONATHAN SOROS

“It’s Time to Junk the Electoral College”

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122930124441705413.html

[saganite]

An amendment to the constitution would require ratification by the states and I don’t think the smaller states are going to be willing to erode their own influence.

[Michael.SF.]

It’s not going anywhere.

I certainly hope so.

[AuntB]

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll928.xml

Sen. Bill Nelson [D-FL]: [Introducing S. J. Res. 4] Mr. President, earlier today, the Congress met in a joint session, as it does every 4 years in early January, to conduct the official count of the electoral ballots from the States. Most Americans pay no attention to this ritual, believing that presidential elections in this country get decided on Election Day. But it is the votes of the Electoral College, presented by each State to the Congress, that determine who our next President and Vice President are going to be. We are the beacon of democracy in the world, and yet, voters in this country do not have the opportunity to elect their leaders directly.

[Publius6961]

This amendment to the Constitution hasn't a prayer.

Even if you sit for weeks and think of all the potential "unintended consequences," you wouldn't begin to define the potential national and cultural trainwreck.
Assuming, of course, that you have a brain in your head, are familiar with history, human nature, politics and the social contract.

Not a prayer!

[Vigilanteman]

It's Time to Junk the Idiots who don't Understand the Need for the Electoral College.

Instead of playing defense, we should be playing offense in our various states. Most of us in Pennsylvania are getting damn sick and tired of having our votes invalidated by the Philly Fraud Machine.

If we can't kick Philadelphia out of the state, the very least we can do is adopt the district system for electors as is done in Maine and Nebraska.

Since Oba Mao actually picked up one electoral vote in Nebraska due to this system, the timing couldn't be better than to introduce it nationwide.

[avacado]

"district system for electors"

How does that work? Each electoral district gives it vote to the majority winner for that district?

[Red Badger]

An amendment to the constitution would require ratification by the states and I don’t think the smaller states are going to be willing to erode their own influence.

Iowa and New Hampshire, for certain.....

[geo40xyz]

OK:-) BUT only if coupled with:

• Congressional pay must be reduced by 80% with NO postage privileges
• Terms limited to six years
• ALL Presidential candidate MUST provide 'proof' of birth before running
• NO medical insurance for Congress folks
• One can NOT run for another Federal or State office while seated in Congress
• One can NOT take any job associated with Federal or State or any Contractor for three years after leaving Congress
• Each voter must have a valid Federal or State photo ID to vote

[Flycatcher]

I didn't notice any co-sponsors.

Should be interesting to find out who joins Bill Nelson in this.

[LiteKeeper]

How about an amendment requiring proof of citizenship?

[Dead Corpse]

Not just “no”, but “hell no”.

[yorkie01]

Small states and states with sparse population will have nothing to do with this. This is right up zero’s alley. The liberal left, marxists and socialists centered in our big cities would be the centers of all vote getting and fraud. Conservatism would die on the vine.

[Bubba_Leroy]

Instead, let’s repeal the 17th Amendment and go back to state legislatures picking Senators.

The drafters of the Constitution had it right. The federal government should be controlled by the states, not the other way around.

[The_Reader_David]

Well, what do you expect? Our 'conservative' current President has been touting the virtues of democracy rather than limited government (leading to such things as Hamas running Gaza, and persecution of Christians by the popularly elected government of non-Taliban-controlled Afghanistan).

While we're dismantling our constitutional republic, how about getting rid of that prohibition on bills of attainder, scrapping the natural-born citizen clause, and the age limits on elective offices? /sarcasm

[joe fonebone]

don’t worry about it.....since the inception of this country, there have been over 22,000 proposed amendments to the constitution........only 27 have made it all the way

[thulldud]

The liberal left, marxists and socialists centered in our big cities would be the centers of all vote getting and fraud. Conservatism would die on the vine.

Conservatism wouldn't die. Instead, the USA would break up, and leave conservatism precious little to conserve.

[Vigilanteman]

Two electors selected on a statewide basis (winner of the state), one elector selected per congressional district. It has worked flawlessly in Maine and Nebraska ever since it was implemented. Shenanigans of the St. Louis/Cleveland/Philadelphia variety are unknown in Omaha and Portland.

[avacado]

" Two electors selected on a statewide basis (winner of the state), one elector selected per congressional district. "

I don't quite get it? Two electors on a statewide basis? What's that actually mean? And how does that effect the one elector selected per congressional district?

[DakotaRed]

The Communization of America continues under total Socialist Demokratik Politburo dictatorship.

This is nothing more than their quest for total dictatorial power over the Proletariat.

Welcome to the Union of Socialist States of America, formerly the land of the free.

[avacado]

Never mind. I just went and read up on it. I like that idea! It would definitely take care of the Philly issue.

[Vigilanteman]

Not completely. The Philly fraud machine could still stealthe two electors awarded for the entire state, but that is a major improvement over stealing all 21. The 6 or so from the Philly area would be won fairly anyway.

[Lilpug15]

And please add Cannot Use Park Bench as Valid Address :)

and

All Election Polls must have the same # of party representatives manning the station

[Baynative]

I am collecting names from this and other thread. I am working with a group that is going to help with our reformation or die trying. Our objective is to gain momentum to support and promote candidates who will stand up to liberals and the media.

At present we don't have too many real conservatives to count on and the few who walk the halls of congress do so quietly. Have anyone you know who wants to be oon our distribution list and get an anouncement from us when the website is up contact me by FReepmail.

[Deut28]

Someone in the Senate needs to remind Nelson that the U.S.A. is a Republic, not a Democracy.

[RonF]

Thirteen States against will be enough to kill this, and I’m sure there’ll be more than that.

[RinaseaofDs]

“Not a prayer!”

Really? I believe they said that about both William Jefferson Clinton becoming President. Same about Obama, regardless of his not being a citizen.

[smokingfrog]

Any idiot that would vote for this needs to be run out of office.

[BuffaloJack]

A number of moron states have recently enacted legislation that gives their electoral votes to whoever is ahead popular vote for the whole country. This effectively disenfranchises all the citizens of those states.

[deport]

Doesn’t or hasn’t this legislation been introduced for the previous few Congresses?.... Nothing has happenend and I see no reason that it would become law since an amendment would require ratification by the states. The smaller states aren’t going to give up their power to influence the choice of President/VP to the major population centers.

[southernerwithanattitude]

If you notice the folks running for President don't spend much time in Maine or Oregon. They have succeeded in making their statewide vote mean-—nothing.

[Vigilanteman]

Wrong. Oba Mao actually opened an office and campaigned hard in Nebraska for the one electoral vote in play (Omaha). McCain also thought he had a shot at Maine until the economy went kerplop, forcing his campaign to move to more competitive states.

[thatjoeguy]

Actually a term limit amendment was introduced today as well but we all know where that one is going to go.

JB

[Star Traveler]

It would take 3/4 of the states to ratify such an Amendment to the Constitution, and I don’t think it could be done with this kind of an Amendment...

[Star Traveler]

Oh..., one more thing..., here too. If you ever see a Constitutional Amendment is going to go through that you don’t approve of and don’t like — then *always* make sure it has a “time limit” attached to the Amendment, so that if it doesn’t get approved in (let’s say) 7 years, then it dies. Usually Congress does that, but it hasn’t done it on some in the past.

In fact, one Amendment got passed after two hundred years passed by... hoo-boy!

[hunter112]

This has been introduced every year since 2001. It’s not going anywhere.

Exactly. It takes thirteen states to kill an amendment, surely the smallest fifteen will be happy to do just that.

[thatjoeguy]

I’ve seen in other posts here we are only two states away from that.

JB

[Star Traveler]

You said — “I’ve seen in other posts here we are only two states away from that.”

Yeah, you’re talking about the request for a “Constitutional Convention,” by the states, in order to place a balanced budget amendment in the Constitution. And that’s true of that one. The problem that many have with this one is that they don’t want to open the door to a “Constitutional Convention” — versus — having simply a Constitutional Amendment to ratify (which is a different matter).

Now, prior to this one (above), there was also an Amendment that had no time limit on it (for ratification) and it finally got ratified over two hundred years later.... LOL... That’s a “done deal” — it’s been ratified already and has already made it into the Constitution...

[thatjoeguy]

Oh um,,, yeah, I knew that LOL

Brain on vacation here... leave a message.
JB

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

Correct. And like Kanada, the mob rule of the population centers like Montreal will over power the Conservative western provinces taking away the voice and sanity of rural populations.

Amerika will become the complete Nationalist Socialism that the Democrats have always dreamed about.

But hey! don't stop there, they will ramrod this and other massive Leftist agendas through like water through a goose. Especially with those juicy “Crisis” agendas they can claim as their reason for so many drastic measures.

This is really going to get ugly.

[adorno]

OK:-) BUT only if coupled with: * Congressional pay must be reduced by 80% with NO postage privileges * Terms limited to six years * ALL Presidential candidate MUST provide 'proof' of birth before running * NO medical insurance for Congress folks * One can NOT run for another Federal or State office while seated in Congress * One can NOT take any job associated with Federal or State or any Contractor for three years after leaving Congress * Each voter must have a valid Federal or State photo ID to vote

One more:

-- All congresspeople, senators and house members, will be considered employees of the state from where they were elected. No federal benefits or salaries. Whatever salaries and benefits are to be gotten will be from each state. Any bills or policies proposed or to be considered for votes must first be presented to the people of their respective states before it is voted on. They are, after all, employees of the states who are in Washington at the behest of the people of those states. It seems that when in Washington, the senators or house critters start to forget that they are there to represent their constituents. They become power hungry and start working for their political parties and for power grabs.

[adorno]

Any bills or policies proposed or to be considered for votes must first be presented to the people of their respective states before it is voted on.

That and one more...

Any proposal for changes to the constitution must originate from a state. Each and every state is after all, a signatory to that constitution and if any changes are to be made, then any changes must originate from the states. In essence, the legislators and governor from a state can propose a change, or even a U.S. senator or U.S. house member, but the proposal must first be approved by the state, including the people through the state legislature and governor. The only job for the state's representatives at the national level would then be to work for the passage of that constitutional change. Or for the disapproval and voting down of the change if the change is from a different state and the change wouldn't be beneficial to the state that he/she represents.