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NASA's Hansen to Obama: Use Global Warming to Redistribute Wealth
NewsBusters ^ | January 1, 2009 | Noel Sheppard

Posted on 01/01/2009 11:15:42 AM PST by St. Louis Conservative

Climate realists around the world have contended for years that the real goal of alarmists such as Nobel Laureate Al Gore and his followers is to use the fear of man-made global warming to redistribute wealth.

On Monday, one of Gore's leading scientific resources, Goddard Institute for Space Studies chief James Hansen, sent a letter to Barack and Michelle Obama specifically urging the president-elect to enact a tax on carbon emissions that would take money from higher-income Americans and distribute the proceeds to the less fortunate.

The eco-socialism cat was let out of the bag on page five of a PDF Hansen published at Columbia University's website on December 29 (emphasis added, h/t Britain's Guardian, file photo):

(Excerpt) Read more at newsbusters.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: agw; bhoenvironment; climatechange; environmentalism; globalwarming; jameshansen; obama; obamatransitionfile; watermelons
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1 posted on 01/01/2009 11:15:43 AM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: St. Louis Conservative

“James Hansen, sent a letter to Barack and Michelle Obama specifically urging the president-elect to enact a tax on carbon emissions that would take money from higher-income Americans and distribute the proceeds to the less fortunate.”

Environmentalists are socialists? Is this news?


2 posted on 01/01/2009 11:17:51 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Why are my tax dollars paying Hansen’s salary?

If that letter is on official NASA letterhead, he needs to be fired.

Either he works for NASA or he hawks the Global Warming Hoax—he can’t do both.


3 posted on 01/01/2009 11:20:16 AM PST by exit82 (It's all Obama's fault. And Biden is still a moron. They are both above their paygrade.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Time to lock and load.


4 posted on 01/01/2009 11:23:41 AM PST by stockpirate (Violent enforcement of the 2nd amendment will solve the problem.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

WATERMELONS

Green on the outside

red on the inside


5 posted on 01/01/2009 11:26:23 AM PST by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

This issue must be our battle ground in the next two years. Global Warming is a global socialist plot, period. There is no evidence of rising temperatures or rising seas, but it is accepted as fact in the media and no one is questioning this garbage in the public eye. This threat must be mitigated or it will be the Trojan Horse that the Dems will use to jack up taxes without public outrage....it is all in the name of saving the planet, don’t you know.


6 posted on 01/01/2009 11:26:29 AM PST by ilgipper
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To: Tublecane

Another cat escaped from the bag.... The high priests of the Cult of Global Warming are getting sloppy these days. It must be the cold.


7 posted on 01/01/2009 11:27:35 AM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: Tublecane
“Environmentalists are socialists?”

In theory, this isn't necessarily so — unfortunately, it has become so in practice. Socialists long ago co-opted legitimate environmentalism. They wrapped their true red, squishy selves in a thick green rind.

8 posted on 01/01/2009 11:28:02 AM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: St. Louis Conservative; Entrepreneur; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Genesis defender; proud_yank; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

9 posted on 01/01/2009 11:28:25 AM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: St. Louis Conservative

What a shameful POS. This is more evidence that leftists make stuff up like global warming just to confiscate wealth from others.


10 posted on 01/01/2009 11:29:02 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: All

why don’t we get global warming and environementalism declared actual religions, then when ever they open their mouths we can use the seperation of church and state line on them...


11 posted on 01/01/2009 11:32:20 AM PST by uncle fenders
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To: Tublecane

Man, if this isn’t a job for

Captain Obvious

I don’t know what is.

Did any conservative ever have a doubt that this issue wasn’t >99% about socialism and <1% about “saving the earth”?


12 posted on 01/01/2009 11:34:08 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: ilgipper

“Global Warming is a global socialist plot, period”

There are free market solutions to each and every enviro-problem. Funny how all prominent greens just happen to advocate government internvention. Quite the coincidence, huh?

Actually, no, it’s not a coincidence. Conservative radio shock-jock Jason Lewis (Minnesota’s Mr. Right) repeatedly says global warming is a socialist answer looking for a question. They are socialists first, scientists second.


13 posted on 01/01/2009 11:34:21 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: uncle fenders

It’s already been tried with Secular Humanism.

The courts have ruled that it IS a religion for purposes of free exercise (conscientious objection)

but is not a religion when faced with the establishment test.


14 posted on 01/01/2009 11:35:22 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

btttttt...(Bump the truth to the top.)


15 posted on 01/01/2009 11:37:06 AM PST by SuperLuminal
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Is Hanson insane or evil? He's certainly not simply misguided. I know he's an ideologue, so I'd have to say that he's got to fit into the evil category.

Man, the barbarians are at the gate and they're waving carbon credits. These people are clear and present dangers to the civilized Western world. Since every civilization is ultimately limited by its energy use, what better way to destroy it than to starve it for energy at the source? Zip into the mitochondria and stop the electron transport chain at the earliest stage and the mighty organism nearly instantly collapses and dies.

Anything that produces CO2 is too "dirty." Damming rivers is too "disruptive." Nuclear power is too "dangerous." Too bad someone couldn't come up with a relatively limitless supply of completely clean energy (nuclear comes the closest) because they would oppose this in a heartbeat as well. They would say that this energy source would need their regulation because it would result in hyper-accelerated use of other natural resources for individualized consumerism and weaken our communal bonds and the need for government to chart out worthy uses of our time and interests.


16 posted on 01/01/2009 11:38:23 AM PST by aruanan
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Now we understand the agenda a little better, in which a new layer of taxation is being applied.

But what was wrong with the old system of trading your time and talents for an earned wage, or selling the product of your ingenuity and labor, then trading your earnings back for the luxuries and necessities you deem vital to your life?

Sure, the outcome may be unequal, but what is “equal” about the result of giving unearned income to those who did not work for it, or did not demonstrate any rational claim on that cash flow?

If you want to give away part of your income to another, then by all means, adopt that pet project and give your income away. It is the element of “compulsary” donations that is the ugly aspect here.


17 posted on 01/01/2009 11:45:15 AM PST by alloysteel (Balkanization - perhaps one of the few remaining ways to preserve American ideals.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Use Global Warming to Redistribute Wealth

Hasn't that always been its only purpose?

ML/NJ

18 posted on 01/01/2009 11:45:37 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: exit82
Why are my tax dollars paying Hansen’s salary?

Exactly. Socialism is un-American. I want this guy fired immediately. If his boss won't fire him, I want the boss fired immediately, replaced, and his/her first job is to fire this socialist idiot.

19 posted on 01/01/2009 11:54:45 AM PST by CodeMasterPhilzar
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To: St. Louis Conservative
to enact a tax on carbon emissions that would take money from higher-income Americans and distribute the proceeds to the less fortunate. willing to work

There fixed it.

20 posted on 01/01/2009 11:58:34 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
The public will support the tax if it is returned to them, equal shares on a per capita basis (half shares for children up to a maximum of two child-shares per family), deposited monthly in bank accounts.

I'm awaiting his follow-up letter where he suggests Obama implement mandatory abortions for any woman who already has two children. Given how much of a misanthropic Kool Aid drinker this guy seems to be to me, it wouldn't surprise me to find out he supports Chinese population control efforts.

21 posted on 01/01/2009 11:58:47 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: St. Louis Conservative

The irony, of course, is that once Obama gets done slashing NASA’s budget, they won’t have enough money a janitor.


22 posted on 01/01/2009 12:00:00 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: RaceBannon

New NASA tax plan:

Obama on Uranus.


23 posted on 01/01/2009 12:01:39 PM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
You mean THEE James Hansen, the proven data changing, lying, fake scientist James Hansen? That one? The fraud?

PAH!

24 posted on 01/01/2009 12:03:28 PM PST by dbacks (God help the USA.)
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To: uncle fenders
uncle fenders said:
why don’t we get global warming and environementalism declared actual religions, then when ever they open their mouths we can use the seperation of church and state line on them...
"Separation of church and state" only applies to traditional, Christian churches. The ones with crosses on top.

There's no separation of Mosque and state, or coven and state. Environmental religions would get freedom of expression, but no prohibition of establishment. According to liberals, the establishment clause only applies to Christians, and possibly Jews sometimes.

25 posted on 01/01/2009 12:06:00 PM PST by cc2k
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Remarkable story—the truth appears so rarely these days.


26 posted on 01/01/2009 12:07:18 PM PST by denydenydeny ("Banish Merry Christmas. Get ready for Mad Max.."-Daniel Henninger)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Can’t they put him in a rocket and send him plunging into the depths of Uranus?


27 posted on 01/01/2009 12:11:12 PM PST by Dallas59 (Not My President)
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To: Tublecane
Environmentalists are socialists?

Worse


28 posted on 01/01/2009 12:15:11 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (All hail the Obamasiah! Kneel before Obamohammad!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Hay moron, give them all your money, leave mine alone!


29 posted on 01/01/2009 12:15:34 PM PST by BillT (Socialism = Equal Poverty for ALL)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Good to see Hansen coming right out with his true motives behind global warming as a tool for social manipulation.


30 posted on 01/01/2009 12:40:27 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (What's Obama's Secret?)
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To: exit82
Either he works for NASA or he hawks the Global Warming Hoax—he can’t do both.
What did you think NASA is kept for? Space walks?

You so called conservatives who despise governmet programs but love NASA are hypocrites.

NASA, AKA a black hole for government funding, is another tool for the left and should be defunded like any other government program.

31 posted on 01/01/2009 12:48:44 PM PST by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

James E. Hansen (science fraud), needs the words “science fraud” permanently attached to his name. He should rightfully join the panoply of the great science frauds of history: But he also has a place in their highest tier, of those frauds who did so with intent of malicious harm to as many people as possible, as well as science itself.

Trofim Lysenko
Paul Ralph Ehrlich
James E. Hansen


32 posted on 01/01/2009 12:48:58 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Hansen is an agenda driven socialist. He fabricates lies and publishes them on NASA letterhead. It's time to expel him from NASA, remove him from the government payroll and leave his lying arse twisting in the wind.
33 posted on 01/01/2009 12:49:49 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Tublecane

Such a POS.


34 posted on 01/01/2009 12:50:37 PM PST by wolf24 ("The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools")
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To: St. Louis Conservative

What do you say we start with Hansen’s wealth?


35 posted on 01/01/2009 12:52:16 PM PST by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue (I choose virtue. Values change too often).)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Why don't we start with Al Gore selling off his oversize houseboat. Talk about a carbon footprint...


36 posted on 01/01/2009 12:54:45 PM PST by 6SJ7 (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Sounds like a good population-control measure as well with the two half-shares per family proposal.


37 posted on 01/01/2009 12:56:46 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Wasn’t it Newsbusters who had that article from the London Telegraph about 2008 bringing and end to the fallacy of man made global warming and how most of the European politicians had given up on the issue, while the US liberals were digging in deeper?


38 posted on 01/01/2009 12:57:48 PM PST by Eva
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To: KC_Conspirator
This is more evidence that leftists make stuff up like global warming just to confiscate wealth from others.

I disagree with this, and with the headline, as an interpretation of Hansen's remarks. He states up front that his goal is to "decarbonize" the economy, and his tax idea is aimed at that. It's clear enough to me that Hansen is a true believer, and charges that he is engaged in fraudulent science for the sake of a socialist agenda are specious.

Still, it is true that his per capita redistribution idea springs from an egalitarian imagination, although Hansen tries to justify it on the basis that it is something the public will accept.

Aside from this question, he makes some very puzzling statements about his proposal.

His claim that, "A person reducing his carbon footprint more than average makes money." seems completely insupportable to me. It's a person, or household, that USES less than average that will nominally get more back than he, or it, pays.

Also, he says, "It will increase energy prices, but low and middle income people, especially, will find ways to reduce carbon emissions so as to come out ahead." How does he figure this? The newspapers regularly remind us that high energy prices strap the "poor", so one would have to think that they are aleady doing everything they can to reduce usage.

Of course, the real lulu is "No large bureaucracy is needed." This just highlights the naivete of a would-be philospher king.

39 posted on 01/01/2009 1:26:59 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Only drugs or insanity could produce a comment like this:

“Not one cent goes to Washington. No lobbyists will be supported. Unlike cap-and-trade, no millionaires would be made at the expense of the public.”


40 posted on 01/01/2009 1:28:47 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Tublecane

Global Warming is a political movement that is designed
to promote socialism and eliminate unbridled capitalism.


41 posted on 01/01/2009 2:56:19 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ("I've got a bracelet too, Jim")
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To: St. Louis Conservative
A rising carbon price is essential to “decarbonize” the economy

Global Warming is clearly a mental disorder. This so-called "scientist" Hansen has it bad and needs to be personally "decarbonized".

42 posted on 01/01/2009 3:03:49 PM PST by Blado (It's a dirty stinking rotten alternate universe but it's OUR dirty stinking rotten alternate u...)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Inacting Hanson’s ideas would have the same effect as passing Smoot Hawley again. It would probably be even worse..


43 posted on 01/01/2009 4:35:52 PM PST by EVO X
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Use Global Warming to Redistribute Wealth

There is no doubt in my mine that the 'Use Global Warming to Redistribute Wealth' is the major objective:-)))))))

44 posted on 01/01/2009 4:40:05 PM PST by geo40xyz (BE PREPARED: Geo The Engineer says its HUSSEIN & the MSM fault for next 4 years:-))
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To: lewislynn
NASA, AKA a black hole for government funding, is another tool for the left and should be defunded like any other government program.

I was working at NASA back around '74 when, one day, one of the researchers noted gloomily that NASA has just passed a milestone: one administrator for each scientist.

45 posted on 01/01/2009 4:40:13 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: aruanan
Is Hanson insane or evil? He's certainly not simply misguided. I know he's an ideologue, so I'd have to say that he's got to fit into the evil category.

He's insane and evil and extremely power hungry. He was caught red handed lying about the past two decades having all of the hottest years when the 1930s had quite a few

As to the stuff about the hottest years...Well, whaddya know! Turns out that's wrong, too. Figures from NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) now show the hottest year since 1880 was 1934. Nineteen-ninety-eight dropped to second, while the third hottest year was way back in 1921. Indeed, four of the 10 hottest years were in the 1930s, while only three were in the past decade.

The real 15 hottest years are spread over seven decades. Eight occurred before the chief "greenhouse gas," atmospheric carbon dioxide, began its sharp rise; seven occurred afterwards

 


46 posted on 01/01/2009 4:51:54 PM PST by dennisw (On the 31st floor a gold plated door won't keep out the Lord's burning rage ---FBB)
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To: Yehuda

Former Rep Cynthis McKinney wants to know whay NASA is planning mroe exploration of Mickey Mouse’s dog....


47 posted on 01/01/2009 5:17:15 PM PST by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative; xcamel; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Happy New Year Bump & A Ping!


48 posted on 01/01/2009 7:42:19 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Hansen published at Columbia University's website

nuff said.

49 posted on 01/01/2009 8:45:32 PM PST by blueplum
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To: St. Louis Conservative
to steal from the "RICH" under the guise of a false CARBON TAX is still stealing, howbeit its now called grand theft larceny.

Its so sickening that these lying liberals will stoop to anyting to force their way on the world.

50 posted on 01/01/2009 10:12:14 PM PST by prophetic (God, let Obama speak utter foolishness and confound the wisdom of his counselors)
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