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Texas High School Student Told Rosary Is 'Gang Symbol'
FOX News.com ^ | September 16, 2008

Posted on 09/16/2008 7:36:27 AM PDT by Kaslin

A Texas teen claims she is forbidden from wearing a rosary around her neck in school because the prayer beads are a gang symbol, MyFOXDFW.com reported.

Tabitha Ruiz was stopped by security guards at Seagoville High School in Dallas last week and told to take off the silver and ruby beaded rosary, a gift from her mother. On Monday, the same thing happened when she again came to the school wearing the beads.

"I went to school, walked through the metal detectors and they told me to take it off," the teen told MyFOXDFW.com. "I asked them why and they said because it's gang-related."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: catholic; education; gangs; moralabsolutes; publiceducation; publicschools
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Sorry, but a rosary should never be worn as a jewelry item
1 posted on 09/16/2008 7:36:27 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

You’re right, it shouldn’t. And apparently it is in use as a gang identifier. Wear a Miraculous Medal, and keep the rosary in your purse.


2 posted on 09/16/2008 7:38:18 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Even for a thin-skinned solipsistic narcissist, Obama seems a frightful po-faced pill." ~Mark Steyn)
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To: Kaslin

Well, maybe it shouldn’t be considered as jewelry, but the consider a rosary a gang symbol? Really? Is the Catholic church a gang? Or do real gangs use a rosary, and maybe I’m just living under a rock and don’t know what’s happening in the world?


3 posted on 09/16/2008 7:38:28 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Kaslin

Worn or held in one’s hand, it amounts to the same thing.


4 posted on 09/16/2008 7:40:59 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Those darn Knights of Columbus are recruiting young aren’t they. I hear they are hooking young kids on communion wine and wafers. :->


5 posted on 09/16/2008 7:41:39 AM PDT by mnehring (Maverick/Barracuda 2008)
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To: wideawake
Sorry, but a rosary should never be worn as a jewelry item

What say you?
6 posted on 09/16/2008 7:42:14 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Tax-chick
If you really gotta' show the cross do what the Coptic people do ~ get a "brand" right in the middle of the forehead.

Example at http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:3sT3VGXk8VC8JM:http://img1.photographersdirect.com/img/23214/pd1606488_s.jpg

7 posted on 09/16/2008 7:42:19 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Dilbert San Diego; Moose4
Is the Catholic church a gang?

You haven't heard of the Southern Catholic Women's Group for Prayer and Combat? If you hear a woman in a long dress with a lot of kids say, "Bless your heart," be afraid ... very afraid.

But seriously, Mexican and Central American gangs are wearing rosaries as regalia (or whatever they call it). I think the focus on gang symbols is simply a smokescreen to cover the state's refusal to put criminals in jail, but that's a separate issue.

8 posted on 09/16/2008 7:42:40 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Even for a thin-skinned solipsistic narcissist, Obama seems a frightful po-faced pill." ~Mark Steyn)
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To: Tax-chick

Make that “refuse to put criminals in jail or DEPORT them.”


9 posted on 09/16/2008 7:43:45 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Even for a thin-skinned solipsistic narcissist, Obama seems a frightful po-faced pill." ~Mark Steyn)
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To: NYer; Salvation; narses; Petronski

Catholic ping.


10 posted on 09/16/2008 7:44:21 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 ("An American Carol", due October 3rd in theaters!)
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To: muawiyah

In Egypt, Moslems attack Christians and flay the cross tattoos - generally on the arm - off. The girl in your picture looks Ethiopian or Eritrean, but the way things are going over there, she might want to consider a voluminous headcovering. Or long bangs.


11 posted on 09/16/2008 7:45:59 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Even for a thin-skinned solipsistic narcissist, Obama seems a frightful po-faced pill." ~Mark Steyn)
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To: muawiyah

Here is a larger image for those who can't see that one.

Pray for our Coptic brothers and sisters. They are being persecuted by Muslims in Egypt and throughout North Africa.

12 posted on 09/16/2008 7:50:07 AM PDT by mnehring (Maverick/Barracuda 2008)
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To: Tax-chick

“...gang identifier.’
Yeah, Gods gang.


13 posted on 09/16/2008 7:51:06 AM PDT by duckman (I refuse to use a tag line...I mean it.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Or do real gangs use a rosary, and maybe I’m just living under a rock and don’t know what’s happening in the world?

Real gangs use rosaries worn around the neck as gang symbols.

I've never known a devout Catholic to wear a rosary as jewelry, however.

14 posted on 09/16/2008 7:51:30 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: mnehrling
"Pray for our Coptic brothers and sisters. They are being persecuted by Muslims in Egypt and throughout North Africa."

Amen and bump that.

15 posted on 09/16/2008 7:54:12 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Sarah Palin: Babies, Guns, Jesus. HOT DAMN!)
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To: Kaslin

Exactly...a rosary is not jewelry. She should know better.


16 posted on 09/16/2008 7:54:21 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

No, but it’s quite possible it’s been co-opted by a gang. Bandanas aren’t inherently evil, but they were considered gang wear where I taught. Even teachers weren’t allowed to wear them.
susie


17 posted on 09/16/2008 7:54:38 AM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Keep the change!)
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To: Kaslin

It’s true - the rosary which these young kids are wearing now has nothing to do with praying. I saw a young man in his 20’s at blockbuster wearing one around his neck and it took everything in me to not give him a lecture on how he was making a religious symbol to many Catholics blasphemy (I have also taught this to my four children). I’ve seen a few rock stars wearing it as well.


18 posted on 09/16/2008 7:56:58 AM PDT by awin
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To: Amelia

Wait, you mean Madonna......
susie


19 posted on 09/16/2008 7:57:10 AM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Keep the change!)
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To: Kaslin
Sorry, but a rosary should never be worn as a jewelry item

And that message is getting lost in this whole thing. It's an improper use of a sacramental. So is hanging it from your rear-view mirror. Despite the fact that gangs are wearing rosaries, that's not the only reason she shouldn't be wearing it.

20 posted on 09/16/2008 8:03:46 AM PDT by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: Kaslin


If you look closely you can see taht this band of outlaws is wearing the identifying symbol around the waist.
21 posted on 09/16/2008 8:04:09 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("[Gov. Sarah Palin] is Phyllis Schlafly, only younger." -- Gloria Steinem)
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To: al_c

From what I understand, there are some Hispanic Catholics who do wear this, not meant as jewelry but per St Louis deMontfort. “true devotion to Mary.” In one of the apparitions, the Virgin Mary said to “pray the rosary often and even wearing it around our necks.”

It may have everything to do with this young lady’s intentions.


22 posted on 09/16/2008 8:10:01 AM PDT by mnehring (Maverick/Barracuda 2008)
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To: All
A rosary can absolutely be worn - Eastern and Southern European Catholics, as well as Latin American Catholics, wear them all the time. It was only in cultures where Catholics were a persecuted minority (UK, Ireland) that the wearing of the Rosary became taboo. Just because the Irish Catholic norms transferred to the US does not make them correct. If a rosary is worn reverently, then there is no issue.
23 posted on 09/16/2008 8:11:48 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: al_c

Ping to my post above. And also, what is your take on St. Christopher medals? Are they okay to hang in your car?


24 posted on 09/16/2008 8:16:12 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: MrChips

The only place a rosary should be on a body is around your hand when you are saying the rosary, otherwise it should be in box, or wherever you keep it


25 posted on 09/16/2008 8:18:06 AM PDT by Kaslin (Vote Democrat if you like high gas prices at the pump)
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To: Kaslin
Sorry, but a rosary should never be worn as a jewelry item

I can't read this thread (or think of some likely responses) without thinking of The Secret of the Rosary, which encourages the practice and gives accounts of miracles that occurred after someone placed a rosary around someone else's neck. (I am not "guaranteeing a miracle" in this post ;) or saying that miracles happen mechanically.)

At the same time, I agree that it shouldn't be worn as a "jewelry item"--any more than a cross or crucifix should be worn as a mere "jewelry item."

By the phrase "jewelry item," I mean that the wearer is devoted to the self rather than to God, wears the item simply to be fashionable, would wear a suspicious-looking pentagram the next day if it became fashionable, and would throw away the item because of persecution (or, horrors, uncoolness!).

Of course, I'm not saying that a cross or crucifix and a rosary will have equal meanings to all people at all times, so be careful. (In other words, while "what if some authorities banned crosses on the grounds that they're a gang sign?" is a good question, it's not simply the same rosary question in Cross Form.)

26 posted on 09/16/2008 8:23:27 AM PDT by Lonely Bull
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To: Borges
Monks and nuns wear rosaries as belts, not necklaces.

A rosary is meant as a devotional item, not a fashion accessory.

Wearing it to trick out your outfit is sacrilegious.

27 posted on 09/16/2008 8:27:26 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Kaslin

Gang members wear clothes, eat food, and breath air.
Are we suppose to go naked, starve, and hold our breath?


28 posted on 09/16/2008 8:34:04 AM PDT by Stark_GOP
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To: Kaslin

(IS FR crashing again? I had to try like 4 times to get the comment window.)

I just emailed my Dominican friends, telling them they’d been busted. (For those who came in late, a rosary hanging from the belt is part of the Dominican habit.)


29 posted on 09/16/2008 8:34:33 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Kaslin

Yah! Dat be duh ting fo Jesus and His Gang of Twelve! And he momma! And he daddy. And he birdie.


30 posted on 09/16/2008 8:36:35 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: mnehrling

Mmmm. Communion wine.


31 posted on 09/16/2008 8:36:47 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: thefrankbaum
Ping to my post above. And also, what is your take on St. Christopher medals? Are they okay to hang in your car?

Interesting information. I was just going by what I have been taught over the years ... that a sacramental should be treated with respect and that wearing a rosary was not following those guidelines.

The St. Christopher medal? Not a sacramental ... merely a medal.

32 posted on 09/16/2008 8:36:48 AM PDT by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: wideawake
Monks and nuns wear rosaries as belts, not necklaces. A rosary is meant as a devotional item, not a fashion accessory.

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This is my understanding as well. Aren't they worn by the religious to keep them "at hand"?

33 posted on 09/16/2008 8:38:31 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Kaslin

(IS FR crashing again? I had to try like 4 times to get the comment window.)

I just emailed my Dominican friends, telling them they’d been busted. (For those who came in late, a rosary hanging from the belt is part of the Dominican habit.)


34 posted on 09/16/2008 8:41:12 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: HungarianGypsy
Mmmm. Communion wine.

Funny story, completely off topic.. My wife was raised a good Baptist girl and had a commitment to never touch alcohol until she turned 21. While we where dating, a month before she turned 21, I took her to my church (Anglican) and God made her break her promise at communion. :->

At least she never believed the old Baptist mantra that wine in Jesus time was just grape juice.

35 posted on 09/16/2008 8:42:16 AM PDT by mnehring (Maverick/Barracuda 2008)
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To: Kaslin

That’s not the point. The point is, she would not be allowed to have a rosary with her at all, even if kept in a box most of the day. Prayer? Oh my God, not prayer!


36 posted on 09/16/2008 8:42:26 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Kaslin

That’s not the point. The point is, she would not be allowed to have a rosary with her at all, even if kept in a box most of the day. Prayer? Oh my God, not prayer!


37 posted on 09/16/2008 8:42:49 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: mnehrling

Does anyone know what kind of wine the Catholic church uses?


38 posted on 09/16/2008 8:51:19 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: al_c
I completely agree that sacramentals should be treated with respect; however, wearing one around your next is not, by itself, disrespectful. It depends on the internal disposition of the wearer. Gotta love the internet!

Regarding St. Christopher medals - I had always been taught that sacramentals are objects or actions set apart to bring us closer to God. I believe St. Christopher medals meet that criteria. I could very well be mistaken, although I was curious so I did a little digging - this and this seem to agree with me. Thoughts?

39 posted on 09/16/2008 8:55:14 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: HungarianGypsy

Red wine


40 posted on 09/16/2008 8:55:22 AM PDT by Kaslin (Vote Democrat if you like high gas prices at the pump)
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To: HungarianGypsy; Kaslin
While the standard wine in use in the USA is generally a red table wine, any wine made from grapes is acceptable.

In large parts of the German Catholic world, whites are quite common.

But red is generally preferred worldwide, because of its physical resemblance to blood - reminding the faithful of what the wine actually becomes when it is consecrated.

41 posted on 09/16/2008 9:00:52 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: HungarianGypsy

At a Anglican church I used to attend (the one in question), they actually used Port. Others I’ve seen used Mogen David Kosher wine.


42 posted on 09/16/2008 9:01:00 AM PDT by mnehring (Maverick/Barracuda 2008)
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To: wideawake

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43 posted on 09/16/2008 9:34:21 AM PDT by gura (R-MO)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Sad to say, it is not uncommon for Mexican and Central American gangs to hijack Catholic imagery - in particular rosaries, pictures of Our Lady of Guadalupe, baroque-style crucifixes and crosses, etc - for gang symbolism. If this particular school district has a problem with gangs who use rosaries as gang symbols, I can hardly blame them for banning rosaries. It certainly sucks for the young lady, however.


44 posted on 09/16/2008 9:58:19 AM PDT by sassbox
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To: Kaslin
I found this. It's from a Gang Awareness handbook
http://www.sanantonio.gov/sapd/pdf/awareness.pdf (NOTE, its .pdf)
The use of colored rosary beads and other religious articles have also been noted. These are subtle indicators of gang membership and are often hard to notice if you are not looking for them. With the introduction of strict dress codes and the use of uniforms in the school systems these type of indicators seem to be favored by the gangsters.
Scum bags.
45 posted on 09/16/2008 9:58:58 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Maybe she joined the Jesus and Mary Chain gang.


46 posted on 09/16/2008 10:22:19 AM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
"Well, maybe it shouldn’t be considered as jewelry, but..."

No, there are no maybes or buts about it: you don't wear a rosary!

And if you're wearing it, well, it could well be because you ARE using it as a gang symbol.

47 posted on 09/16/2008 10:46:04 AM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D. - "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Redbob

See my posts 23 and 39 - you CAN wear a rosary! Sheesh...Irish Catholics and their cultural imperialism ;-)


48 posted on 09/16/2008 12:36:24 PM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: al_c
I disagree.

I think it's Father Zuhlsdorf of WDTPRS (or maybe it's Father Trigilio of EWTN) who says a Rosary on the mirror (I keep mine on the gearshift) is a good reminder to say his prayers . . . .

It isn't a fashion accessory, though, for sure. It's a sacramental!!!

49 posted on 09/16/2008 12:42:11 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies Auxiliary, recess appointment))
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To: mnehrling
In our former ECUSA parish, jug port was the standard wine.

Technically that's not permissible, because port is adulterated (with brandy or grain alcohol) and thus not proper matter for consecration.

I don't think that is really one of the 2,242 reasons we left the Episcopal Church, but . . . .

50 posted on 09/16/2008 12:46:59 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies Auxiliary, recess appointment))
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