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Bear-Worshipping Ainu To Flourish Again
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 6-6-2008 | Julian Ryall

Posted on 06/07/2008 8:29:49 AM PDT by blam

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To: SunkenCiv

Jeez. That’s almost as bad as the White Man, and his Manifest Destiny to overcome all Peoples. *sheesh*

What a flustercluck that turned out to be.


21 posted on 06/07/2008 12:32:07 PM PDT by Monkey Face ("Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without any proof.")
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To: Cicero
It has long been suggested that the Ainu may be white caucasians, descended either from seafarers or Europeans who migrated eastward across Asia.

Quite possibly. They are certainly light-skinned, as the picture shows. Some have red or brown hair and green or blue eyes.
Some experts think they are related to Kennewick Man.

There are also disputed traces of early white people in parts of China.

Those, I believe, are the Tocharians (AKA Yuezhi), who are thought to have spoken an Indo-European language distantly related to Latin.

I don't think the Ainu language is Indo-European.

-ccm

22 posted on 06/07/2008 12:36:44 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: ccmay
Excellent input, thanks.

The Jomon and/or the Emeshi are believed to be the ancestors of the Ainu. The oldest Jomon skeleton ever found in Japan is 13,000 years old.

The Relationship Between The Basque And Ainu

BTW, the oldest pottery ever found comes from Japan.

23 posted on 06/07/2008 1:06:45 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Origins Of The Ainu
24 posted on 06/07/2008 1:09:00 PM PDT by blam
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To: ccmay

On The Presence Of Non-Chinese At Anyang

25 posted on 06/07/2008 1:12:00 PM PDT by blam
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To: Pride in the USA
Interesting background. Here's a link to another, older FreeRepublic thread about the connection between...

The Samurai And The Ainu

26 posted on 06/07/2008 1:49:36 PM PDT by lonevoice (John McCain was a Kinoki foot pad in the Reagan Revolution)
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To: KevinDavis

I din’t even no dat was bein’ filmed the day tree of my buddies and I were sittin’ around talkin’ ‘bout daBears.


27 posted on 06/07/2008 3:02:14 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: blam

Yep. Far more effective to destroy them by making them wards of the state.


28 posted on 06/07/2008 5:10:07 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: blam

140 years ago?

I thought it was more like 3,000.
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29 posted on 06/07/2008 5:11:34 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: alloysteel

“The North American Indians of Japan - if a genetic comparison is done, it is highly likely the Ainu will turn out to be similar to the Inuit and the Native American and Native Canadian indigenous people.”

From what I’ve read in the past, the Ainu are Caucasian.


30 posted on 06/07/2008 7:42:29 PM PDT by Pelham (Press 1 for English)
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To: Cicero

“It has long been suggested that the Ainu may be white caucasians,”

That’s what I’d read as well. The American Indian is Asian, the Ainu is Caucasian.


31 posted on 06/07/2008 7:44:42 PM PDT by Pelham (Press 1 for English)
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To: alloysteel; blam
The Ainu are genetically closely related to the original inhabitants of Japan called the Jomon, but they spent most of their history on the Mainland and not in Hokkaido.

The Ainu relocated to Hokkaido and other Northern islands shortly after the Japanese emperor managed in the 1300s to finally conquer the last Emeshi, the modern name for the original inhabitants called the Jomon.

The Emeshi had been gradually converted into a warrior class called the Samurai. They were relocated from the Northern islands to Fukuoka as a sort of Samurai Central where they could be dispatched to the wealthiest cities and prefectures of Japan to enforce the Emperor's rules.

Shortly after the Emeshi were evacuated from the Northern Islands the Ainu took their opportunity to move inn.

As far as being related to the American Indians is concerned, the Yakut people, who conquered Korea and japan in the 6th century, are close relatives.

The Emperor and his relatives (the hereditary daimyo, the imperial families, etc.) (a whale of a lot of people in Japan), are descendants of the Yakut. So it'd be the Emperor who is the relative of the Indians, the Ainu who are not!

32 posted on 06/07/2008 8:02:44 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Proud2BeRight; All

Ditka..


33 posted on 06/07/2008 8:06:45 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Who is Obama's Puppet Master???)
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To: Pelham; Cicero
The basic East Asian population split from the European counterpart about 35,000 years ago. The East Asian population split into two groups about 14,000 years ago (just as the Ice started melting like crazy).

The two East Asian "races" are represented by the Jomon/Ainu/Emeshi/Samurai on one side and the Chinese/Tibetan/Malay/Thai on the other.

What that means is that any particular Ainu is more closely related to any particular Chinese than either is related to an Englishman.

34 posted on 06/07/2008 8:09:51 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: blam
Be careful of those who pay homage to bears!


35 posted on 06/07/2008 8:44:34 PM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: blam
The Ainu are one of Japan's most marginalised groups.

Are there other indigenous grups in Japan?

36 posted on 06/07/2008 8:46:16 PM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: KevinDavis

“Ditka..”

My favorite Ditka picture is him giving the finger to the reporter.


37 posted on 06/07/2008 10:20:33 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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