"Obama's chickens have come home to roost"
"...And they're pissed!"
Posted on 05/14/2008 1:04:36 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Ninety-five percent of Democratic primary voters in West Virginia today were white. About 70 percent of them did not have a college degree.
Among white voters without a college degree — largest demographic in the state — Hillary carried, 72 percent to 25 percent. She won white voters with a college degree, 55 percent to 41 percent.
Back of the envelope calculation gives Hillary a floor of 64.15 percent... winning by 29 points at least.
As discussed last Tuesday afternoon, the dominant voices in the press are ready to declare the race over. Last Tuesday night, we saw some of the most influential voices in television news (Russert, Stephanopolous) declare the primary over. Terry McAuliffe is complaining that 90 percent of the media are in the tank for Obama. (Welcome to the party, pal.)
You'll see the press, and Obama's surrogates (perhaps I repeat myself) insist that tonight's result means nothing, and indeed, in the delegate count, the effect is marginal. But superdelegates ought to be sweating. White working-class voters, and various overlapping demographics - the elderly, Catholics, Jews - just aren't warming up to Obama, and they've been the backbone for the party for generations. Liberal bloggers (and Saturday Night Live, and arguably the Washington Post) are responding by suggesting Hillary's supporters are racist; these people may not be so eager to vote for Obama in November as the pundits insist. Once you insult a voter by calling them racist, they may not be eager to meekly repent by doing as their moral betters in the pundit class demand.
Hillary Clinton is still the underdog, and she faces long odds to overcome Obama in the delegate and superdelegate fights. But the fact that anointed-nominee Obama couldn't make any traction in any key demographic in West Virginia ought to keep the superdelegates awake at night. And she will be invigorated by this win; landslide victories tend to do that. The exhausted mainstream media bigfoots tried to end this story one chapter too early.
True. But because of the twenty something idiots he will turn out and the huge black vote, our down-ticket will take a serious beating with Obama as the candidate--the dems could lose the presidency but have a veto proof congress--not that McCain would veto bills passed by his buds across the aisle anyway.
I care much less about the presidential race than the down-ticket races. At least we have some conservatives running in the down ticket races.
She won by 41%, not 29%...WHAT A MASSACRE!! I mean, if THIS doesn’t wake up the super delegates, nothing will.
And though Hillary was “regal” and concilliatory towards Obama tonight in her speech, she knows as do most people I know that white Americans are not going to come out for Obama in the numbers he needs. Hillary could beat McCain, easily. Obama’s negatives are simply too high, now, contrary to what idiots like bootlicker Chris Matthews and Wolfie Blitzer.
If Hillary wins big in KY, look out! Because she’s gonna win big in Puerto Rico and might even pull off an upset in Oregon.
It’s a long time till the election. Hopefully idiots around my age will have lost interest by then.
"Obama's chickens have come home to roost"
"...And they're pissed!"
Dear God! If anyone wants anyone wants another Clinton in the White House, they are just plain brain dead. But I will concede, an Obama dude would be worse.
“I care much less about the presidential race than the down-ticket races.”
I agree except for the issue of judges.
With Obama we will have a wave of liberal judges easily confirmed by a liberal Senate filling up the courts.
So we need to do what we can for all levels, down ticket and Presidential. It’s a holding action if nothing else.
What about Iraq? Do you really want to have another situation where the U.S. abandons a country to whom it's pledged support?
Haven’t you been reading the headlines about Clinton’s win in West Virginia? It’s a “symbolic” victory. If Obama hadn’t received one vote, they’d still call Clinton’s win “symbolic”. :-)
Obama will probably win Oregon. Have you seen numbers that show Clinton on the rise there?
I was born and raised in WV. I’ve lived here all of my 56 years. I have no doubt the statistic is correct.
I've come to realize that the Dems care little about winning the Presidency. Congress controls the cash and as long as they can hold onto both houses they can spend as they wish and complain about how everything is the President's fault.
With respect, I don’t put much weight on WVa results. Boma is on his victory lap and did not elect to engage in the mountain State. This is like the winning team pulling its starters in the 4th quarter. Why bang up the real players? Why spent the money? On the other hand, Bill and Hillary and Chelsea are campaigning their evil butts off to land a spot on the ticket. We should try as hard as possible to stomp them down so they are truly history. Even if Boma gets in he will be ineffective. Too much the rookie. Congress would control and restrain him even if GOP lacks sufficient votes to sustain filibusters.
“Once you insult a voter by calling them racist, they may not be eager to meekly repent by doing as their moral betters in the pundit class demand.”
That’s the part that the Obama camp is forgetting. If they insult voters by saying they have some moral obligation to vote for Obama then they will turn those voters away in droves.
Will Obama become the Affirmative Action Candidate, unable to achieve the winning number of delegates on his own?
No, he would not. Obama is a leftist, but he's got no experience at the Presidential level. He'd make rookie mistakes along with trying to implement leftist policies. Definitely not good. Her Heinous, though, is a leftist with experience at the Presidential level. That makes her infinitely more dangerous because she's seen how to do things and how not to do things. Her governing manner is going to be the Begala credo at a minimum:
"Stroke of the pen. Law of the land. Kinda cool."
“Once you insult a voter by calling them racist, they may not be eager to meekly repent by doing as their moral betters in the pundit class demand.”
Good analysis and a very good point about calling the voters racist.
I say stop her now, but how?? She is going to try to dive into the VP slot and who knows what will happen to Obamamama!
With respect back I see it differently. Obama didn’t campaign in WVa because he knew he had no shot of winning. Obama’s base is black, white elites, and the youth vote. He doesn’t sit well with white rural, suburban, union, less liberal democrats. (Thank you Rev. Wright.)
I don’t think a democrat Congress would control or restrain either one of them from turning this country farther left. Either way, Obama has a problem with a democrat base that his supporters, to include the media, are trying to keep quiet. West Virginia voters had the knowledge that Obama was the presumptive nominee. They sent him a message by 40 some points they don’t agree with their nominee.
Does that mean you are a Real enthusiastic supporter for John McCain who is for Higher taxes and fees to fight Global Warming ? I am so excited I cant wait to vote for him ,I mean I am about to Puke
I've come to realize that the Dems care little about winning the Presidency. Congress controls the cash and as long as they can hold onto both houses they can spend as they wish and complain about how everything is the President's fault.
"Little" might be an overstatement, but I have to think you have a point - any Republican always is so concerned over foreign/military affairs that he never has much political capital left from those battles to use to hold down spending.
However, McCain will need a Spiro Agnew to throw some rhetorical red meat to conservatives. Perhaps Mike Huckabee will fill the bill.
Would someone please make the point that these are two democrats running against each other, not against a republican? They are splitting the votes of democrats, not, as Hillary claims, demonstrating that she can win the big states. Except for Limbaugh’s egoism, they have not begun to tally the votes of the opposition. That will wait for November, and if history is any guide Democrats will vote for their nominee an republicans will do the same.
You mean open borders Huckabee? Global warming Huckabee? The Huckabee who talks to God and substutites his feelings for the rule of law? The Huckabee who p*sses on Mormons and denegrates Catholics as second class Christians?
All Obama has to do is nominate a faux Mormon like Harry Reid or a so-called pro-life Catholic like Bob Casey Jr. and he can beat McCain like a drum with Hucksterbee on the ticket.
I agree.
The democrats are following the media/Obama piper right over the cliff.
If the MSM is aware of it, it can only mean that they truly desire a McCain presidency.....that there’s something they want that they’ll get out of it.
McCain + blue-collar democrats = a McCain victory.
ping
W is for the war I’ll end it
H means healthcare fix (think soylent green)
I is for your income, who’s to spend it?
T for taxes picking your bones clean
E is for entitlements for everyone
(I have one myself: to be your queen!)
Put them all together they spell working,
Hardworking, you know, WHITE voters love me!
Hillary is not far enough left for Oregon and Washington. They don’t trust her not to move toward the center once she would secure the nomination. The Seattle World Trade Meeting and NAFTA finished the Clintons with the far left, not to mention Hillary’s support of the war. They also didn’t like the weak support that the Clintons gave Al Gore.
This is Obama and Ron Paul country.
Black and Liberal spokespeople continually rail against racism in America. Why should we be surprised when some folks act out in their voting.
Unspoken in Dem back rooms right now is their fear of the Bradley Effect theory which arose when Tom Bradley lost an election in Liberal California which appeared he would win handily.
The BRADLEY EFFECT:
The theory suggests that statistically significant numbers of white voters tell pollsters in advance of an election that they are either undecided, or likely to vote for the non-white candidate, but that those voters exhibit a different behavior when actually casting their ballots. White voters who said that they were undecided break in statistically large numbers toward the white candidate, and many of the white voters who said that they were likely to vote for the non-white candidate ultimately cast their ballot for the white candidate.
Only about 25% of the adult population over the age of 25 has a four-year college degree. Thus, that 30% of primary voters had college degrees means that they were slightly better educated than the population as a whole.
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MAKE YOUR VOTE, COUNTRY FOLK
Tune: "Take Me Home, Country Roads" Original
By Winn Denver
Almost landslide, West Virginia
Numbers mountin', headin' on to Denver
Folks are white here, whiter than the sheets
That the early Byrd wore, blowin' in the breeze
Country folk, make your vote
For the race you belong
Mrs. Clinton, not Obama
Make your vote, country folk
All my prim'ries dare not end here
My election's set for this November
Dark and dusky stranger on the rise
Mustn't let him beat me, take away my prize
Country folk, make your vote
For the race you belong
Mrs. Clinton, not Obama
Make your vote, country folk
I hear your voice, in the evenin' hours you cheer me
This victory assures me that I'm queen for a day
And standin' on the stage
I get a feeling that this Wheeling's all the U.S.A.
U.S.A.
Country folk, make your vote
For the race you belong
Mrs. Clinton, not Obama
Make your vote, country folk . . .
That is an understatement!
McPain has got to be the luckiest man alive. He won a primary he had no business winning, and then he is likely to eke out a general election that no Republican had any business winning.
The black and loony leftist base of the rat party will turn out in droves in the Fall. The coalition of blue-collar dems, independents, and deflated GOP base should be just enough to put McPain ahead of the black/loony left hordes that will turn out for Osama. HOWEVER, those blue-collar dems and independents will absolutely NOT be voting GOP down ticket, and McPain will be elected President with a HUGE rat majority in Congress.
And for Senor Juan -- that would be a success beyond his wildest dreams!
This will be interesting to see how it plays out. White people don’t like Obama (and for good reason) Conservatives don’t like McCain (and for good reason).
So whoever is despised less, wins.
Dissecting Hillary's Win in West Virginia (Excellent analysis)
Hillary Voter Breakdown:
And....
True. But because of the twenty something idiots he will turn out and the huge black vote, our down-ticket will take a serious beating with Obama as the candidate--the dems could lose the presidency but have a veto proof congress--not that McCain would veto bills passed by his buds across the aisle anyway.Barry will be the weaker candidate against McCain, IMO.
With Hillary winning over 70% of the vote in WVa, the logical role which the superdelegates are designed to play is to swing the nomination to the stronger opponent of McCain - Hillary.But for the superdelegates to do that now - after Obama has already been anointed by the the media as the presumptive nominee - would be to tempt a replay in Denver of Chicago 1968 - and the splitting off of the solid black vote from the Democratic Party to a third party. The maximum objective of Operation Chaos!
Those super delegates have a real problem!
Those super delegates have a real problem!Re my #40:
Actually, they have an easy out. They can always nominate McCain on the Democratic ticket. Except for minor things like his being pro life and pro victory . . .
“White people don’t like Obama”
But educated, young black people don’t like Hillary.
And young white metros like Obama.
The Dims are split, they are in a no-win situation.
Twenty-something idiots and blacks was essentially what the McGovern coalition was made up of. Lot of good it did him.
Because if for some reason he actually won in November, he would be the much, much worse President. Clinton would move center, just like Bill did in order to get re-elected. 'bama wouldn't. And naive, inexperienced and arrogant is a very dangerous combination in a President.
West Virginia must have a LOT of RACISTS!! Obama should have been MUCH closer.
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