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a chinese boy have words to say to MARKUSPRIME and others

Posted on 05/13/2008 10:59:47 PM PDT by chinaboy

To: All I want to let the chinese that are really here for support know that I am sorry for being so rude,and crass during this time. Now I do not like the CCP at all and belive in democracy for everyone. I feel angry and jaded at the world at this moment in my life because someone really close to me in my family died a few weeks ago. I have had a rough year and can be very snappy and mean at times. I do apologize and my prayers go out to all the innocents lost. I was just thinking about this last night about my family and my loss and thought I would say sorry.

845 posted on 2008年5月13日 21:24:14 by MARKUSPRIME --------------------------------------------------------- Hello,MARKUSPRIME,I feel sorry about your family.Our existence is far more tenuous than we might think.Place your hand over your chest and feel your heartbeat.That is actually your life clock ticking,and one day it will stop.That is 100 percent guaranteed,and there’s absolutely nothing you can do about it.Like everyone else,we will have some days that are better than others.Occasionally,everything may seem like a total disaster area.Just like the tough times we have.So let us give our prayers to all kindly people and thanks to the god for we still alive.

MARKUSPRIME,I am a Chinese,15 years old student in nanning,guangxi province.I also lost my father because the cancer in 2 years ago.I felt very sad ,very helpless but didn’t felt hopeless.Because I know my father never leave away from me.And my father taught me that ever problem has a lifespan.No problem is permanent.Storms always give way to the sun.Winter always thaws into springtime. All problem will be solved. MARKUSPRIME,In this tough time,you may not be able to control the times, but you can compose your response.You can turn your pain into protanity---or into poetry.Of cause,the choice is up to you.You may not have chosen your tough time,but you can choose how you will react to it.

Life is very like a mirror:if you smile upon it ,it smiles back upon you;but if you frown and look doubtful on it ,you will get a similar look in return.Inner sunshine warms not only the heart of the owner,but of all that come in contact with it.who shuts love out,in turn shall be shut from love.

MARKUSPRIME,I guess you have never been to china before,and you know nothing about the Chinese culture and history at all.You learn about china form the Western media. I must to say, I really don’t see any love, generosity, friendship or cooperation from the recent report of Western media and politics,except full of bias/distortion. And Most of the time, you westerns don't really realize that they are just biases - you think you're just being reasonable.

So, MARKUSPRIME,I don’t want to talk about politics,but I want to tell you about my feeling,as an ordinary Chinese.In my experience,you (American/ westerns)always believe in youselves,as you do not believe in others.You permit all things to youselves,and that which you call sin in others.So you criticize all the time.

For me, I was rich,if not meney,in sunny hours and summer days.I can go shares my beatufull time with my nearest and dearest.So,however mean my life is,I just meet it and live it;never shut it and call it hard names.It is not so bad as I am.As we know,the fault-finder will find faults even in paradise.So I love my peaceful life,poor as it is.I may perhapshave some pleasant,thrilling,glorious hours,even in a poor-house.The setting sun is reflected from the window of the alms-house as brightly as from yours abode.So let me be grateful that I have suffered no intolerable wrong,no terrible woe of flesh or spirit,such as my fathers(grandfathers). Is it not much to have accomplished so large a part of the mortal journey with so much ease?

This day,I pay my attention to some guys’ words,those makes me feel confused. I don’t know why do we get so hung up on what we don’t agree on,when in fact it’s our differences that make life interesting?After all,half the world is upside down,so there’s absolutely no reason why we would all agree on everything.Even something as basic and profound as”Don’t chew with your mounth open” is not as widely accepted as you might think.

Why is it that when passions are inflamed we choose to argue and fight,when dancing the cha-cha is less injurious,far more enjoyable,and equally effective in resolving thesion?And why do we feel drawn together sometimes,yet we steadily build up defensive barriers around our innermost feelings and beliefs so we can never be truly close to anyone?

I think , we all have filters on, so we mostly see only what we want to see.So, when you finally open your eyes,you may be shocked at the obscured way you have been viewing the world to suit your own little plans.With those filters removed,you can take a closer look into yourself and others.

Finally,I want to say, MARKUSPRIME,your apologetic post make me warm.So I decide to say some words to you and to all kindly American,whom pray for the vitcims in the earthquake.THANK YOU.In the end, MARKUSPRIME,I wanna say to you,tough times never last,but tough people do.Storms always give way to the sun.Winter always thaws into springtime.Your storm will pass.Your wither will thaw.Your problem will be solved.And ours too.(I expect you and all the american in this board can see what I said)


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To: All

as a chinese,though this time i signed on here with no problem,i would say when i typing comments here now,i even have a little angst if cops of china will notice me.
i am very wondered can american pose any politic opinion on BBS without fearing cops?i dont know because i have never been U.S. and even never talked with an american. could someone tell me about that?
and, i can not view YOUTUBE’s total vedeo.when i searched ‘olimpic’or’tibet’or some other key words on youtube, there would be ‘this page can’t be found’or’error’.and today the youtube is completely cant be opened(i think just because the earthquake).do you american have internet ristriction like this?
who can tell me?
thanks all


52 posted on 05/14/2008 6:30:28 AM PDT by earthykid (freedom?)
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To: All

To people who thought I were a spy

I am sorry if you feel frightened.
Sometimes we have debate about political issues, but we agree to disagree...I think we have too much difference and it won’t be easy for us to understand each other. China changes so quickly and I am sorry but many Americans still live in the past, of course, and because the American government used to so scared about the communism, the mass media have described China as a monster... we do have problems, but we are improving...for example, we can file a law suit against the government or the department irresponsible even in the central government, you can find the related news in Chinese, and the lawsuit is reported in different newspapers and the chances of winning is become bigger and bigger...

and it’s not easy for you guys to change your mind if you have not experienced the reality in China. Personally, I was so surprised about the ignorance of some of my foreign friends, they know so little about the real Chinese history (maybe it’s too long a history, maybe they just don’t care) , and what they say is all about human rights, about liberty, freedom that many of us are not so interested(actually those information are availabe on the internet like wiki, it’s said to be neutral) into this kind of topics since most of us are quite satisfied with the current situation.

We don’t have to prove anything, we have our advantages and disadvantages. Nobody’s superior. We should be proud of ourselves, proud of our own country, although we have our different problems to solve. The only thing is that we should respect others. Nobody likes those who don’t respect others.


53 posted on 05/14/2008 6:30:37 AM PDT by chinaboy
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To: earthykid

pose = post


54 posted on 05/14/2008 6:35:12 AM PDT by earthykid (freedom?)
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To: grellis; chinaboy
You know what that makes me think? That makes me think that you're full of baloney. You seem to be so proud of those pretty little phrases that, subconsciously, you couldn't bring yourself to pervert them.

I guess it might not have occurred to you that "Storms always give way to the sun.Winter always thaws into springtime" MIGHT be a philosophy that chinaboy has used for several years in order to console himself since the death of his father. Repetition does breed clarity.

The inexorable march of time can heal (or at least diminish) even the most heartfelt pain.

You know what your post makes me think?

That grellis is a myopic twit.

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(chinaboy - I posted this too you as well because it is considered proper form at FReerepublic to let someone know that you are talking about them.)

55 posted on 05/14/2008 6:36:28 AM PDT by MamaTexan (* Prayers for those affected by the earthquake, and all the People of China *)
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To: never4get

I am so sorry,please forgive my imprudence,thanks for your prayers.
sorry and thanks again.


56 posted on 05/14/2008 6:39:56 AM PDT by chinaboy
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To: earthykid

A quick reply. Yes, americans can post any political opinion we want without any fear of punishment by the government. That is the quick answer. However, a private enterprise, one owned by an individual, may have restrictions of their own. That isn’t a government thing at all and no one will get in trouble with the law. For example, if I wrote here that the president previous to the current one was a fine example of a human being, the US government wouldn’t shut me down. But I might get banned from FR.

Note to moderators: I said IF and I couldn’t bring myself to use that fool’s name.

It is late at my location (I am not in the US) and I must get to bed.


57 posted on 05/14/2008 6:40:11 AM PDT by Jemian (Obama: in your heart you know he's Wright.)
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To: earthykid
No, we have no Internet or political restrictions.

Free speech means that we have the freedom to say what we like as well as listening to whatever other people have to say.

Sad that so many American take that freedom for granted.

58 posted on 05/14/2008 6:43:13 AM PDT by MamaTexan (* Prayers for those affected by the earthquake, and all the People of China *)
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To: chinaboy

Few here think that the recent Chinese posters are probably agents of the Chinese state, although it would hardly be surprising if one or more actually were. All of us humans are under the same sky. As the brave Russian Solzhenitsyn wrote:

“If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being.”

Thanks for posting.


59 posted on 05/14/2008 6:48:20 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: MamaTexan; grellis

MamaTexan,thank you very much,you are a warmhearted man,and,I must to admit that my english is very poor,and I need more time to learn it well.And this is the reason why I come here.
grellis,I can learn a lot from your words.thank you.


60 posted on 05/14/2008 6:56:11 AM PDT by chinaboy
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To: moder_ator

Why would you remove that post?
There was nothing vulgar or racist in it.


61 posted on 05/14/2008 6:59:48 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: Jemian

thanks very much for your reply.
i have to say:china does improved liberty of speech recent years,but still has lots of restriction.this is one of which many chinese people not satisfied .


62 posted on 05/14/2008 7:03:29 AM PDT by earthykid (freedom?)
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To: chinaboy
for example, we can file a law suit against the government or the department irresponsible even in the central government, you can find the related news in Chinese, and the lawsuit is reported in different newspapers and the chances of winning is become bigger and bigger...

It is signs like this that give us great hope for China. For a government to be fair it must be accountable to the people. Of all the nations that were communist only China has shown it can adapt with the changing times. That is why the others have mostly fallen. Hopefully your government will continue to improve in this way. Please understand that the mistrust Americans have for China is a mistrust of its government and not it's people or culture. We have many Chinese people here in America.
63 posted on 05/14/2008 7:04:13 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: chinaboy
Your English is quite good, and it will improve as you continue here on FR.

Hopefully, some of our more understanding FReepers will help you along.

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By the way, 'Mama' is a shortened version of 'mother', so I am a warmhearted woman (Thank you for the compliment)

I'm not offended by the mistake, I just wanted to let you know.

:-)

64 posted on 05/14/2008 7:05:15 AM PDT by MamaTexan (* Prayers for those affected by the earthquake, and all the People of China *)
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To: MamaTexan

Thank you MamaTexan,you are so kindly,I can see you smiling face,which make me warm and merry.
Thanks again.


65 posted on 05/14/2008 7:19:32 AM PDT by chinaboy
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To: TalonDJ; chinaboy; PigRigger
We have many Chinese people here in America.

including my niece Rachel who my brother, pigrigger, adopted from China 7 years ago. He ensures she Chinese ancestry/culture is remembered by her, and well spoken of. While she is of Chinese ancestry she certainly has taken to good 'ol American burgers/hot dogs and apple pie...she has become a typical American girl with a fine Chinese ancestry. She is a blessing to our family.

66 posted on 05/14/2008 7:31:38 AM PDT by never4get (We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid)
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To: bd476
Oh boy. Where to start....

I've been here for almost ten years and you're "uneasy" about me? Relax, newbie. You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

DITHF wasn't about "fake Germans". It was about a kid in Texas (IIRC) pretending to be a US Special Forces soldier stationed in Bosnia. A lot did happen to people around here when he was exposed as a fake as people around here wasted a LOT of their time conversing with him and worrying about the safety of him and his fellow troops. Several Freepers including me were so taken in that we created and sent him care packages. I was out over $40 that I spent on boxes of cigars that I sent to him. So yes, fakers can cause real harm.

All I have done with my posts on this thread is warn people not to get taken in. I haven't attacked chinaboy or condemned his posts. I haven't told people not to post to him. All I've said is be cautious. I've been on the Internet since the early nineties and I've seen it all. This post and the timing just is a little suspicious. I hope it turns out to be genuine and if so, I heartily welcome chinaboy to FR and freedom!

And regarding the tragedy in China, I have friends and coworkers over there right in the thick of it. I just minutes ago finally learned one of them is OK. My posts on this thread have been nothing negative about expressing condolences for the Chinese.

67 posted on 05/14/2008 7:41:25 AM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: PLMerite
Just a little word of caution about corresponding with strangers from non-free nations.

They feel the same way.

68 posted on 05/14/2008 7:49:19 AM PDT by RightWhale (You are reading this now)
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To: MamaTexan

thanks very much for you reply.
i still wondered how about the case if some one release words sympathizing Osama bin Laden or publicizing communism.since just few times i have view american BBS except youtube,so i don’t know.
and thanks all.i have to go to bed.i will check here in other days.


69 posted on 05/14/2008 7:55:46 AM PDT by earthykid (freedom?)
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To: earthykid
can american pose any politic opinion on BBS without fearing cops?

That's correct. It's in the Constitution, freedom of speech.

70 posted on 05/14/2008 7:55:46 AM PDT by RightWhale (You are reading this now)
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To: chinaboy
grellis,I can learn a lot from your words.

Yes, I'll bet you can.

72 posted on 05/14/2008 8:05:56 AM PDT by grellis (By order of the Ingham County Sheriff this tag has been seized for nonpayment of taxes)
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To: MamaTexan
That's kind of funny...you instructed your new friend on why you included him in your reply, and you insulted me, all in one post. So I guess it's okay to teach him good behavior and bad behavior, huh?
73 posted on 05/14/2008 8:11:23 AM PDT by grellis (By order of the Ingham County Sheriff this tag has been seized for nonpayment of taxes)
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To: SW6906
SW6906 wrote: "I've been here for almost ten years and you're "uneasy" about me? Relax, newbie. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. "

Well you may have been here for ten years but I haven't seen even one of your posts until today. So call me a newbie if it makes you feel better.

SW6906 wrote: "...Several Freepers including me were so taken in that we created and sent him care packages. I was out over $40 that I spent on boxes of cigars that I sent to him. So yes, fakers can cause real harm."


Here's the deal, you got taken in by a troll on the Internet and you said that many others also were taken in. Does that make your goodwill gesture of sending someone whom you believed to be a soldier in Bosnia $40 worth of cigars any less giving, any less thoughtful? No, it doesn't.

The burden of deception fell on the troll. It's his problem now, not yours. You didn't lose anything because you desired to do the right thing and you acted upon good faith that the person you were dealing with was who they said they were.

You decided to believe the troll and from your heart you gave your time, your considerate thoughts, and then you gave your money. The troll didn't win, though, you did.

It was the gesture, the good deed that you did that counts, not the lost money, not the lost time, not the prayers said in earnest for the impostor.

You didn't expect anything in return.

Sincere prayers are heard by God and your prayers for the soldier who was actually an impostor were also heard by God. The benefit was still there and I believe a soldier somewhere benefited from your prayers, but you just didn't get the reward of "knowing" who or where that soldier was who benefited.

Are you now going to hold a grudge for the rest of your life for doing the right thing for someone you believed was a solider and whom you believed was in need? Only if you hold a grudge will your good deed done from your heart be in vain.

It's always right to do the good deed first. You're not in a battlefield, you're on the Internet typing on a computer. Don't let suspicion overrule your heart.

I have not seen any Chinese asking anyone to give anything. They're here translating into English, telling us what happened, asking only for prayers. Is that too much for anyone anywhere to ask?
"All I have done with my posts on this thread is warn people not to get taken in."

One warning is plenty of negativity. You've now mentioned it a few times. Just one little word cast against another newbie and you basically imply that the newbie is nothing better than the impostor soldier you prayed over and sent cigars to. And you didn't even need to give more than your little warning and the damage was done.

Warning SW6906 got burned by a troll one time and he'll never forget it. Look out, it's a newbie posting from another country. Don't send cigars folks. Be careful!

You were a newbie once too, but not from a foreign country nor were you attempting to translate your thoughts and feelings from one language into another. That would require a lot of courage, a lot of effort and a lot of faith that your message would be well received.

74 posted on 05/14/2008 8:44:58 AM PDT by bd476
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To: bd476

Thank you.

Prayers continue for the people of China and their beautiful country.


75 posted on 05/14/2008 8:50:56 AM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: grellis
That's kind of funny...you instructed your new friend on why you included him in your reply, and you insulted me, all in one post.

I consider myself to be quite versatile.

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So I guess it's okay to teach him good behavior and bad behavior, huh?

I don't consider telling someone that they may be too quick to judge as 'bad' behavior.

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Everyone seem so concerned that they may be 'fooled' by another poster. The question is....why?

If someone 'fools' you, it is not YOU who are the fool, it is them.

Your good faith in believing someone's words as trustworhty (unless and until they prove that faith is misplaced) IS the 'good deed'.

That good deed remains unchanged, it is the liar that is the fool.

76 posted on 05/14/2008 9:06:11 AM PDT by MamaTexan (* Prayers for those affected by the earthquake, and all the People of China *)
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To: bd476
Almighty and eternal God, who created us in Thine image
and bade us to seek after all that is good, true and beautiful,
especially in the divine person of Thine Only-begotten Son, our Lord Jesus Christ,
grant, we beseech Thee,
that, through the intercession of Saint Isidore, Bishop and Doctor,
during our journeys through the internet
we will direct our hands and eyes only to that which is pleasing to Thee
and treat with charity and patience all those souls whom we encounter.
Through Christ our Lord. Amen.

Words we both should heed. Thanks.

77 posted on 05/14/2008 9:26:16 AM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: earthykid
i still wondered how about the case if some one release words sympathizing Osama bin Laden or publicizing communism.

Yes, we are free to say anything. The only restrictions are no threats of violence or plans to commit real crimes. Americans are free to say anything against the government even if it is nonsense and even if it is a lie. Opinions are not restricted.

This is a private website though and the owners will not allow all opinions. The government has no say about that. Sympathizing with America's enemies on Free Republic is not appreciated and can result in a post being deleted or the poster being banned from the website.

82 posted on 05/14/2008 12:22:01 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: bd476

Well, as I’ve said in another thread the other day, Fox News isn’t blocked in my country. Indeed, some websites are restricted here, but we have some tools to bypass them. And it’s not like what you thought that talking about politics is forbidden or something. We can post in many forums both home and abroad on politics. If you don’t believe me, you may go to Tianya and check out how anti gov. people there are.

And by the way, you may check this out if you like.
http://www.cfac.org/content/index.php/cfac-news/federal_judges_order_shutting_down_wikileaksorg_a_promising_transparency_si/
By this, I mean, govs will have their own rules to their own interests. It goes for China, and the US, too.

Have a nice day.


83 posted on 05/14/2008 1:27:54 PM PDT by Phoebe From China (Thinking without learning is dangerous.)
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To: Phoebe From China
Have a nice day.

You too.

84 posted on 05/14/2008 1:31:36 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Enosh

Wow, then about half of the members on Tianya, the biggest Chinese forum, should have be thrown into prison...


85 posted on 05/14/2008 1:38:05 PM PDT by Phoebe From China (Thinking without learning is dangerous.)
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To: SW6906

Hmmmm, I just have to say, most of us registering here got words about this forum on the very same day. So please don’t be so suspicious.


86 posted on 05/14/2008 1:45:53 PM PDT by Phoebe From China (Thinking without learning is dangerous.)
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To: WVKayaker
Thank you for your kindness. I'll try to thicken my skin too... o(∩_∩)o...
87 posted on 05/14/2008 1:54:17 PM PDT by Phoebe From China (Thinking without learning is dangerous.)
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To: earthykid

Wow, as a Chinese, you are much more “alert” than me. You really think Chinese cops or policemen would arrest you because of what you wrote just now??? I don’t think so.

Have you ever been to Tianya and posted some complaints or angers about our gov.? Seems like you haven’t.

And by the way, you may download a U89 to help you bypass YouTube, if you want.


88 posted on 05/14/2008 2:03:44 PM PDT by Phoebe From China (Thinking without learning is dangerous.)
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To: Phoebe From China
I just have to say, most of us registering here got words about this forum on the very same day.

How did you find out about us? Do you visit any other American political forums? Thanks.

89 posted on 05/14/2008 2:16:39 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Play that Funky Music Typical White Boy!)
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To: bd476

Thanks for your understanding for us neebies. We came across this forum after the quake, got impressed by your prayers and kindheartedness(I’m not sure whether there is such a word = =), and just registered to say thanks, and that’s all. But when realizing we have so many, well, how to say, “bias” about each other, I decided to stay a little bit longer and try to communicate with you guys more. If there are any offences, please forgive me, ‘cause I didn’t intend to.


90 posted on 05/14/2008 2:25:21 PM PDT by Phoebe From China (Thinking without learning is dangerous.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Actually, the thread “Children Killed In China Earthquake” was quoted on a Chinese forum, and the poster intended to tell us that many American friends are also praying for the victims. So we just stopped by and say thanks. And this is the very first American forum I’ve ever heard of...


91 posted on 05/14/2008 2:31:04 PM PDT by Phoebe From China (Thinking without learning is dangerous.)
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To: Phoebe From China
us neebies

That is so charmingly cute.

It's newbies or noobies. Please stay in touch, newbie, but be wary of infection with Western thought. :)

92 posted on 05/14/2008 2:31:45 PM PDT by RightWhale (You are reading this now)
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To: Phoebe From China

I travel to your country two or three times a year. I’ve always been able to access FreeRepublic, FOX News and other American websites. No problem. In our frequent travels in China, I’ve always been met with kindness, generosity and respect.

Your people and your beautiful country are in my prayers.


93 posted on 05/14/2008 2:35:54 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: Phoebe From China

Thank you for your answer. I hope our new Chinese members stay around a bit, it is a good opportunity to learn for all of us.


94 posted on 05/14/2008 2:40:07 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Play that Funky Music Typical White Boy!)
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To: RightWhale

Thanks for correcting.

And by the way, I’m majoring in English, even though not that versed, anyway, I’m pretty open to western thoughts and values. On the other hand, I hope you won’t immunize yourself from eastern ones, too.


95 posted on 05/14/2008 2:42:23 PM PDT by Phoebe From China (Thinking without learning is dangerous.)
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To: Rushmore Rocks
Thanks a million!!! Hope you have great fun next time in China! o(∩_∩)o...
96 posted on 05/14/2008 2:44:29 PM PDT by Phoebe From China (Thinking without learning is dangerous.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Thanks, I will, hopefully.


97 posted on 05/14/2008 2:46:47 PM PDT by Phoebe From China (Thinking without learning is dangerous.)
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To: Phoebe From China
I hope you won’t immunize yourself from eastern ones

Got it. Best wishes to the industrious, hardworking, and extremely polite Chinese people. :)

98 posted on 05/14/2008 2:49:59 PM PDT by RightWhale (You are reading this now)
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To: RightWhale

For one second, I thought it was an anticlimax... Forgive me if there were any offences...


99 posted on 05/14/2008 2:58:03 PM PDT by Phoebe From China (Thinking without learning is dangerous.)
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To: Phoebe From China

Thank you, Phoebe.

We always enjoy our trips to China. I don’t like the nearly 24 hour travel time, but I am able to read some good books on the way.

I wish more Americans could make the trip. I know they would be very surprised at what they see and experience. Too many think of “Old China”. It really has changed over the years. I was so shocked to see McDonalds, Kentucky Fried Chicken, and Tony Roma’s restaurants. In the stores, I saw Campbell’s Soup, Kraft Macaroni and Cheese, General Electric, Westinghouse, Liz Claiborne, Izod, Gucci.....and on and on.

So many Americans are upset with all the Chinese products coming to this country. From my experience, I saw far more American products in China. Commercial trade works both ways. So do open minds and hearts.

Continued prayers to you and yours.


100 posted on 05/14/2008 3:01:24 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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