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ALAN KEYES FOR PRESIDENT: McCain sees nuclear as part of long-term answer [to oil dependence] ^ | April 5, 2008 | Steve Schulin

Posted on 04/05/2008 6:08:44 PM PDT by Steve Schulin

Presidential candidate Sen. John McCain was interviewed tonight by Greta van Susteren for her Fox News Channel show, "On The Record". She asked him what he can do, short-term and long-term, about rising gasoline prices. There's not much that can be done short-term, he said, because we're too dependent on foreign oil. But we can, in the not-too-long-term, develop hybrid cars, and develop a battery that will take a car 100 miles. "We can reemphasize and dramatically increase nuclear power", he added. "We can do so many things in alternate energy to eliminate our dependence on foreign oil."

COMMENT: is delighted that nuclear power is held in such high regard by the presumptive nominee of the Republicans. Your humble editor doesn't find this one important issue enough to warrant voting for the man, and you can read more about that in the coming months at's political activism site of choice: Steve Schulin's Yes, I've switched my voter registration from Republican to Constitution Party. My goal is to help Alan Keyes -- the candidate who has best represented my views on the wide range of important issues over the past twenty-some years -- win the Constitution Party nomination, get high enough poll numbers to be included in the national presidential debates, get on the ballots in as many states as possible, and win the election. I urge all of you, dear readers, to help in these matters. I hear that C-Span may cover the Constitution Party convention, April 23-26. I'll be there in Kansas City, perhaps as a voting delegate from my state, Maryland. If you see a fellow with sign that proclaims "I'm pro-nuclear because I'm pro-life", that'll probably be me. Please let C-Span know that you'd like to see the convention on TV, gavel-to-gavel. And please feel welcome to call me at 240-751-7286 or email me at for other ideas on how to help.
[Transcript of interview: "John McCain Goes 'On the Record'", FOXNews, April 4, 2008]

TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: energy; keyes; mccain; nuclear
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To: Steve Schulin

I asked you early on this thread how many votes the CP candidate got in the 2004 election. You chose not to respond.

You show me a outlined plan whereby a CP or any other 3rd party candidate can get the EC votes needed to win and I’ll agree with Gods help it maybe possible. Todate no one can come up with a plan, the documented polling to show even a remote potential for wins in enough states, the resources needed and where they will come from, the state organizations, and on and on.

It isn’t in the cards in todays environment with our system of electing a President for a 3rd party to be anything more than a hope. Hell Perot with all his hype, money, etc. couldn’t garner more than some 19% of the popular votes and zero EC votes which are the critical ones.

So at this stage Keyes or any other 3rd party candidate is a loser as far as I’m concerned. You have the right to view it differently and I have the right to disagree. I think the effort should be placed upon winning as many down ticket positions as possible where there is only needed at the largest a statewide vote to be a winner.

41 posted on 04/06/2008 2:12:21 PM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: mosesdapoet; Jim Robinson

Keyes is wound to tight.
Your basic normal conervative will not vote for him as will not moderate conservatives and moderates.

There are not enough conservative voters to carry a wingnut like Keyes.
Also he has never held elective office on a state or national level.

Get Real
Also ask Jim Robinson what he thinks of Keyes.

McCain is not my first choice but dividing his votes puts in Obama who will pull out our troops and a second Vietnam will be our finish.
You won’t get people signing up for the military and we are in a major wide open situation for another 9/11 only worse.
There won’t be a next time for an election.

42 posted on 04/06/2008 4:38:23 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: taildragger
"Coal to Oil for our airliners and trucks vis the Fisher-Tropsch process."
Didn't Bill close down a huge "clean" coal source with the 4 corner National Monument?
43 posted on 04/06/2008 5:05:26 PM PDT by Foolsgold (after all we got Daschel)
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To: deport
By your definition of loser, I think the Republicans would have been losers all the way until the day Lincoln was elected. This year's presidential race is different than any I can recall. Liberals will split their votes between McCain, the Democrat, the Greens' Cynthia McKinney, the independent Ralph Nader, and possibly the whoever the Libertarian Party nominates. Who will the conservatives vote for? McCain will be portrayed as a conservative, but most conservatives are thoughtful folks, and I think the more they learn about McCain, the less likely they are to favor him. I'd like Alan Keyes to be amongst the choices on the ballot this year in every state.

The Constitution Party candidate got very few votes in 2004 -- Bush got 62,040,606, Kerry got 59,028,109, and Nader led the rest with 411,304, according to the CNN page I pulled up after googling for the answer to your question. The Federal Election Commission 2004 results I saw only provide state-by-state data for the CP Candidate, who was Michael A. Peroutka of Maryland, by the way. My quick sum of that data shows 143,630 votes for Mr. Peroutka.

Eight months to go seems too early to give up any prospect of electing a President that shares more than a smidgeon of my values. Where was the Senator from Arizona during the Clinton impeachment? He chose to let Clinton have a pass. That's not the kind of man I want as President. I see another poster in the thread suggests I ask our dear host Jim Robinson what he thinks about Keyes. Well, I recall cheering for Jim and Alan Keyes both at a Free Republic event called the March for Justice here on the mall in sight of the Washington Monument during that impeachment effort. An audio file of the speech Keyes gave that day is still available at

McCain parlayed his Keating 5 corruption experience as expertise in campaign finance reform. That was a pretty slick maneuver on his part, and he's gotten away with it at least until now. But I think the Clintons routinely eat corrupt guys like McCain for breakfast, and if Obama can somehow survive the Clinton end game, I suspect he'll have no trouble driving McCain's negatives through the roof too. The swift boat veterans criticisms about Kerry will look like trivial concerns compared to the prospects of electing a potential Manchurian Candidate as president.

44 posted on 04/06/2008 5:29:15 PM PDT by Steve Schulin (Cheap electricity gives your average Joe a life better than kings used to enjoy)
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To: Steve Schulin

Ifa’s, coulda’s and woulda’s, no thanks. I’ll operate in the present era not in some distant past where the landscape was much different.

Yep the CP got something around .0025% [<150,000] of the popular vote and zero electoral college votes. They didn’t do any better in 2000 either.

I’m not sure how someone like Keyes can even hope to be a contender when he can’t even score within the Republican Primaries nor any other race he has entered as a Republican. The Republicans aren’t going to suddenly go crazy over him just because he’s on the CP ballot in most states... The CP doesn’t have the base to win on a national ticket much less the appeal to get crossover and independent voters.

45 posted on 04/06/2008 6:09:28 PM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: SoCalPol
Dear SoCalPol: I saw Libertarian presidential candidate George Phillies mention Bob Barr in a press release, and his take on Barr is much different than yours. You said "Libertarian Bobb Barr has been on the payroll of the ACLU for years."

The Libertarian Phillies said:

"In Summer 1999, Congressional bigots campaigned for Army persecution of members of the Wiccan faith. Republican Senator Thurmond demanded Wiccan services be excluded from the military. In an ABC News interview, then-Governor George Bush announced 'I don't think that witchcraft is a religion.' The charge was started by right-wing Georgia Congressman Bob Barr, who urged the Army to ban Wiccan services from military bases.

"Bigotry is a key theme of right-wing Republicanism, going back to the KKK and Concerned Citizens Councils," Phillies said. "Like all other patriotic Americans, Libertarians believe that Freedom of Religion is for everyone. No real Libertarian will ever ask that a religion's harmless practices be banned. This Fall, please take a stand against Republican bigotry. Please vote Libertarian."


It's dated April 1, but I don't think the Libertarian was joking.

I admired Bob Barr for his efforts to impeach Bill Clinton long before anybody knew anything about the only White House intern during Clinton years to get put on federal payroll. That you object to his common ground with ACLU while apparently urging folks to vote for McCain, who revels in finding common ground with conservative-haters, seems worthy of note.

46 posted on 04/06/2008 6:48:24 PM PDT by Steve Schulin (Cheap electricity gives your average Joe a life better than kings used to enjoy)
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To: deport

Your apparent support of McCain seems every bit, if not more so, full of “ifa’s, coulda’s, and woulda’s” too. What’s the best answer you’ve heard or can imagine to the following question: Sen. McCain, how can the public be sure that you weren’t programmed by your communist captors to be a tool, like “The Manchurian Candidate”?

47 posted on 04/06/2008 6:59:53 PM PDT by Steve Schulin (Cheap electricity gives your average Joe a life better than kings used to enjoy)
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To: Steve Schulin

My support for McCain is based upon the fact I will vote for him over the other choice of either Hillary or Obama. So far you and no other 3rd party hopeful has been able to lay out a plausible senario to win 270 EC votes.....

McCain wasn’t my choice among the primary wannabes but he’s what remains after the voters made their selection. I’ll vote for McCain in the General for the following two reasons:

a] The next SCOTUS nominees

b] The men and women of our military

48 posted on 04/06/2008 7:28:37 PM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: Steve Schulin

We are in a different type of war and Bobb Barr who makes
it more difficult for the gov. and Military to obtain information on the enemy is aiding the enemy as do others of his ilk.

ACLU to Hire Bob Barr as Privacy Consultant
By Jeralyn, Section Civil Liberties
Posted on Sat Nov 23, 2002 at 07:59:03 AM EST

The ACLU has agreed “in principle” to hire defeated G.O.P. Congressman Bob Barr as a consultant , working on “privacy, surveillance and national security issues.”

Dick Armey started working with the ACLU after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. She said Armey was instrumental in making sure the new Homeland Security Act did not include a national ID card or Operation TIPS, a planned Terrorism Information and Prevention System

49 posted on 04/06/2008 10:40:15 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: SoCalPol

Bob Barr and Dick Armey have well-represented a lot of folks who consider themselves conservatives over the years. They are leaders both. I share their concern about the balance between liberty and security. Don’t you? The federal government has failed miserably in controlling who gets into the country. To disparage folks who are very opposed to national ID cards in the future, instead of demanding that the borders be secured now, seems about as intellectually bankrupt a choice as can be. McCain’s record on border control is that he’s years late in urging it.

50 posted on 04/07/2008 5:21:29 AM PDT by Steve Schulin (Cheap electricity gives your average Joe a life better than kings used to enjoy)
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To: Steve Schulin

I don’t like McCain’s views on the border issues and I really hate Obama & Hitlery’s views even more.
You don’t have to tell me about the border, I live 15 miles north from the largest and busiest border crossing in the world, San Diego - Tijuana and what the illegals are doing to our country.

Another reason I want security and National ID. Besides Mexicans, everyone from Middle East to Chinese cross illegally.

What the libertarians want in no intelligence as to make difficult finding out who is here & who shouldn’t be is the type of thing that brought us the cast of characters of 9/11.
The terrorist that flew the plane into the Pentagon were living 6 miles from me. To bad we couldn’t have had laws on the books to route these terrorists out.

All the so called libertarian views on this won’t mean crap when the terroists hit again. We are at war only some don’t want to face it.

I live in a city and county with the largest concentration of Navy and Marines and we here understand what is going on
also having many relatives serve and serving tours in the war.

Europe played it your way in the 1930s with Hitler only to realize this was not a nice person.
When you hunker down and wish it away only delays the inevitable.

I grew up in a neighborhood here with many dozens just out of the Nazi concentration camps.
In the early 1980s, I was in East Germany.
There is a lot of evil in the world and using twisted
reasoning not to deal with it make that person no better than the enemy

51 posted on 04/07/2008 12:47:35 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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