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Only 1 of 2 students graduate high school in US cities: study
Breitbart.com ^ | Apr 1 02:46 PM US/Eastern | unknown

Posted on 04/01/2008 1:17:31 PM PDT by rocksblues

Three out of 10 US public school students do not graduate from high school, and major city school districts only graduate one out of two students, according to a study released Tuesday.

In a report on graduation rates around the country, the EPE Research Center and the America Promise Alliance also showed that the high school graduation rate -- finishing 12 grades of school -- in big cities falls to as low as just 34.6 percent in Baltimore, Maryland, and barely over 40 percent for the troubled Ohio cities of Columbus and Cleveland.

And it said that black and native American student's have effectively a one-in-two chance of getting a high school diploma.

"Our analysis finds that graduating from high school in America's largest cities amounts, essentially, to a coin toss," the study said.

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Surprise, Surprise. Pour the money into the Big Cities, yet the kids don't care.
1 posted on 04/01/2008 1:17:31 PM PDT by rocksblues
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To: rocksblues

It’s not the kids really, it’s their parents’ lack of values.


2 posted on 04/01/2008 1:18:39 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (The fence is "absolutely not the answer" - Gov. Rick Perry (R, TX))
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To: rocksblues

Obviously we are not spending enough! /s/


3 posted on 04/01/2008 1:19:15 PM PDT by henkster (I'm a typical white guy.)
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To: rocksblues

Better throw more money at it! /s


4 posted on 04/01/2008 1:19:32 PM PDT by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

I agree!


5 posted on 04/01/2008 1:19:43 PM PDT by rocksblues (Folks we are in trouble, "Mark Levin" 03/26/08)
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To: rocksblues

MSM has been hawking this news all day. As if it is news. In other news, Oprah is back up to 260.


6 posted on 04/01/2008 1:19:44 PM PDT by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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To: rocksblues

It’s not the kids that need to care, it’s their parents.

And when the fedgov is a “no strings attached” sugar daddy, there’s really no reason to care about how your kids turn out.


7 posted on 04/01/2008 1:20:29 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: rocksblues
Heard on the radio this morning that it's 1 out of 4 finish high school in the Detoilet, MI public school system.
8 posted on 04/01/2008 1:20:38 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Do we want Huma answering the White House phone at 3:00 AM?)
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To: rocksblues

You give them books and they eat the covers.


9 posted on 04/01/2008 1:21:04 PM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: rocksblues

Well you spend your life in liberal promulgated poverty and crime, I can see where it would difficult to keep to one’s studies.


10 posted on 04/01/2008 1:21:26 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: rocksblues
I heard on the news that, in Detroit, less than a third (I think it was 20 some %) graduate.

So much for the ‘Leadership' of Kwame Kilpatrick and his band of corrupt thugs in “Moving the City forward”.

11 posted on 04/01/2008 1:21:47 PM PDT by TCats (The Clintons Are Not Just Wrong - They Are Certifiable AND Dangerous! See my Page)
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To: MarineBrat

Here’s how ALL issues evolve in which “liberalism” is involved:

1) There is a discomfort that a few in our society are experiencing due to their lifestyle choices.
2) Libs aim to alleviate this discomfort (CONSEQUENCE) by making everyone else pay for it.
3) Libs are surprised to find out that there is a much higher occurrence of the lifestyle choice leading to the consequence.
4) Libs demand more money to address the “crisis”.


12 posted on 04/01/2008 1:22:35 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: armymarinemom

Lately it’s been the teachers. lol


13 posted on 04/01/2008 1:23:01 PM PDT by lakeman
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To: rocksblues
And it said that black and native American student's have effectively a one-in-two chance of getting a high school diploma

Wow, so it is just a roll of the dice I guess. Not up to the individual at all.

14 posted on 04/01/2008 1:23:48 PM PDT by doodad
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To: rocksblues

1 in 2 would be a record year for the school I graduated from!!!
The inner-city school I graduated from was and still is graduating on average 15% of its students.


15 posted on 04/01/2008 1:23:53 PM PDT by Fox_Mulder77
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To: rocksblues

Over a billion dollars was poured into the Kansas City, Missouri school system by order of a federal judge. Some outstanding facilities were built but it didn’t help the students’ education.


16 posted on 04/01/2008 1:24:13 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: rocksblues

No child left behind, even if it is unable to spell its own name.


17 posted on 04/01/2008 1:26:07 PM PDT by 353FMG (Vote for the Candidate who will do the least damage to our country.)
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To: rocksblues

So where do the 1/2 of those that don’t graduate vanish to?


18 posted on 04/01/2008 1:26:33 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: lakeman
Lately it’s been the teachers. lol

And the parents.

19 posted on 04/01/2008 1:27:35 PM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: lakeman
Lately it’s been the teachers. lol

And the parents.

20 posted on 04/01/2008 1:27:38 PM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Yes, it’s the kids too. Don’t let them off the hook. You don’t get to be 16 and not have some input into your own actions.


21 posted on 04/01/2008 1:27:57 PM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Prison?


22 posted on 04/01/2008 1:28:42 PM PDT by rocksblues (Folks we are in trouble, "Mark Levin" 03/26/08)
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To: RightWhale

23 posted on 04/01/2008 1:29:46 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: rocksblues

I did not graduate from high school (would have been class of 1978). I dropped out of high school three months into my junior year for reasons not related to my ability to learn. Now I have a MA degree and a professional career (completing my 11th year in this profession). There are a myriad of reasons why our countries youth do not complete their high school education, some of which have nothing to do with their ability to learn or how good the school is that they attend.


24 posted on 04/01/2008 1:29:56 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: rocksblues
Surprise, Surprise. Pour the money into the Big Cities, yet the kids don't care.

And why should they? If they don't care, the government will give them goodies appropriated from those who did care.

25 posted on 04/01/2008 1:30:11 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (I have great faith in the American people. I have no faith in the American government, however.)
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To: rocksblues
"Our analysis finds that graduating from high school in America's largest cities amounts, essentially, to a coin toss," the study said.,

Except you don't have control over the outcome of that coin toss. It's not like schools are saying that only the upper half gets to graduate. Everyone who meets the requirements will receive a diploma. That percentage could be 100% if everyone applied themselves.
26 posted on 04/01/2008 1:30:39 PM PDT by NinoFan
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To: rocksblues

I’d love to take a survey - what % of school districts are run by Republicans ?

OTOH, if your science class consisted of watching Al Bore’s fiction “An Inconvenient Truth”, I wonder if I’d have been interested in science at all.


27 posted on 04/01/2008 1:30:45 PM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Seriously. First and foremost I blame the parents for not bringing the smack down and taking control in their own house and with homework and understanding it. They’re your kids. They’re your responsibility. Deal with it.


28 posted on 04/01/2008 1:30:47 PM PDT by WarToad
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To: Secret Agent Man
So where do the 1/2 of those that don’t graduate vanish to?

The welfare culture.
Activist organizations.
Public employment.
Legislatures.

Next question?

29 posted on 04/01/2008 1:32:04 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: SoldierDad
You at least had the spirit to continue your life/education.

Most of these kids will just lay back and accept what life gives them.

30 posted on 04/01/2008 1:34:08 PM PDT by rocksblues (Folks we are in trouble, "Mark Levin" 03/26/08)
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To: MrB
Thomas Sowell outlined exactly the process you describe in his landmark book "Vision of the Anointed." I think he wrote it about the end of the Carter administration and the book has proved timeless and prophetic. You should find a copy if you haven't read it.

Public education offers all these extras in the inner cities:

  1. Free breakfast, as well as lunch.
  2. Soft studies which anyone can pass with minimal effort.
  3. Feel good politically correct coursework to build self-esteem.
  4. Free childcare in school for the girls who manage to get knocked-up and prefer drawing a welfare check to abortion or adoption.
  5. Sports and a plethora of other activities after school.
  6. Computer labs with equipment which would make a Fortune 500 company proud (well, at least for the first couple of weeks until the get vandalized).

But none of this is enough to produce a graduation rate better than 33%???? We obviously need to tax the middle class some more!

31 posted on 04/01/2008 1:35:10 PM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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To: cinives

0%!


32 posted on 04/01/2008 1:35:18 PM PDT by rocksblues (Folks we are in trouble, "Mark Levin" 03/26/08)
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To: rocksblues
The problem with the low graduation rate of the inner cities is easily understood; however, the answer is contrary to accepted egalitarian belief in this matter.

Simply go to "The Effect of Urban Flight on IQ Distribution"; This can be found on La Griffie du Lion; that Web site is HERE

The average IQ in our big cities is now 85. This is the cutting score for graduating from the usual HS. This means that one half of inner city children cannot graduate from the usual HS without enormous desire and tutoring.

All the rest of the explanations are simply a form of denial for the real problem. President George Bush is no exception; however, I sense he realizes the problem is doing his best to come to terms with low intelligence in our educational system.

Irrational egalitarian belief that we are all equal in ability as well as in the eyes of God and the Constitution has literally destroyed the chances of many children to make some or good use of the abilities they have. No child left behind is a slogan and not a biological finding. Trying to mold children with limited academic powers into whiz kids seldom works and, then, only for a few. The rest are left discouraged and bitter.

33 posted on 04/01/2008 1:36:45 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: rocksblues
Most of these kids will just lay back and accept what life gives them.

You mean what life does to them as they blame everyone but themselves for their predicament.

34 posted on 04/01/2008 1:38:18 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: rocksblues; Xenalyte

They aren’t “counting” right. A lot higher percentage graduate in Texas cause we count matriculation into the Penal system as a “graduation”. We consider Pen time as Community Service!

“Everybody’s guilty of something, Everyone should serve a little time,” (Newell Blakley-Criminal Law Professor-University of Houston).


35 posted on 04/01/2008 1:38:46 PM PDT by glide625 (Texas-The Incarceration State-We've Built One For YOU)
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To: rocksblues

What’s the percentage for immigrants from China, India and Eastern Bloc countries?


36 posted on 04/01/2008 1:39:46 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: rocksblues
Here in L.A. the students are too busy seeking social justice.

April 1st, 2008 -- Hundreds of high school students from across Los Angeles County gathered Monday at UCLA to hold a demonstration to promote a new civil rights movement for Latinos, chanting "aqui estamos, no nos vamos," translated from Spanish into English as, "we're here, we won't go."

(OR, it could be translated from Spanish into English as, "we're here, but we ain't goin' to school.")

37 posted on 04/01/2008 1:42:01 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: ASA Vet

Yes, it is about 24.5%! That is less than 1 in 4 in Detroit. And we wonder why a thug gets elected as Mayor?


38 posted on 04/01/2008 1:43:39 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: durasell

It’s hovering around 103%.


39 posted on 04/01/2008 1:44:44 PM PDT by proudpapa (May God Bless Our Troops.)
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To: shrinkermd
Irrational egalitarian belief that we are all equal in ability as well as in the eyes of God and the Constitution has literally destroyed the chances of many children to make some or good use of the abilities they have. No child left behind is a slogan and not a biological finding. Trying to mold children with limited academic powers into whiz kids seldom works and, then, only for a few. The rest are left discouraged and bitter.

This is why we need to have vocational programs for many of our youth so they can learn skills which can lead to gainful employment and become contributing members of society.

40 posted on 04/01/2008 1:44:59 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: SoldierDad

I graduated in ‘64. There were a lot of young men/boys in my school who did not graduate. It was because they went through the trade school program, and got good jobs in the field of their choice.


41 posted on 04/01/2008 1:45:30 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

NYC has a similar program — though the “trades” are in the fields of hospitality, fashion, theater, etc. etc. The graduation rates are much higher than in typical high schools.


42 posted on 04/01/2008 1:47:34 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: NinoFan
When I think back
On all the crap I learned in high school
It's a wonder
I can think at all
And though my lack of education
Hasn't hurt me none
I can read the writing on the wall

Kodachrome
They give us those nice bright colors
They give us the greens of summers
Makes you think all the world's a sunny day, Oh yeah
I got a Nikon camera
I love to take a photograph
So mama don't take my Kodachrome away

If you took all the girls I knew
When I was single
And brought them all together for one night
I know they'd never match
my sweet imagination
And everything looks worse in black and white

Kodachrome
They give us those nice bright colors
They give us the greens of summers
Makes you think all the world's a sunny day, Oh yeah
I got a Nikon camera
I love to take a photograph
So mama don't take my Kodachrome away
--Paul Simon


43 posted on 04/01/2008 1:49:01 PM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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To: mtbopfuyn
Oh yes it is the kids, and the parents, and the schools and the society.

The students do not want to work for a grade, they have been conditioned to receive credit and praise for their "effort", not the results. They plaguerize, cheat and look for excuses.

They don't know both parents anymore but they have a homelife where they have several siblings, all of different fathers. There is no longer any social stigma against that.

They watch MTV and other mindless entertainment where the kids are always smarter than the teacher and the adults, and they believe it, they mimic it and they play it out in the classroom. They listen to audio of words my mother washed out my mouth for learning, and I never used until I lived in the barracks.

The NEA and their teachers are constsntly experimenting on them in the areas of learning and socialization. They have been subjected to new math, no math, SRA reading, phonetic spelling, bilingualism and cultural awareness sensitivity. Science isn't even taught anymore unless algore endorses the content.

At the same time they are being suspended for drawing pictures of guns and are not allowed to meet veterans of wars or military recruiters. Patriotism is equated with fascism while they are bombarded with multi-culturalism, and are told they must embrace "alternative lifestyles".

I am retiring in two months, from teaching 16 years. The current system is broken and it is NOT Bush's fault. Our country has lost it's moral compass and refuses to set a new course. I used tho hope that I made a difference. Now, I only hope that I can make it for two more months without getting sued.

44 posted on 04/01/2008 1:56:38 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: Red_Devil 232

That’s 75% who will NEVER serve any useful purpose to society whatsoever.

So long as the welfare state creates an artificial unlimited demand for these parasites, it is no surprise we have an unlimited supply of them.


45 posted on 04/01/2008 1:57:04 PM PDT by henkster (I'm a typical white guy.)
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To: rocksblues
The kids are dropping out because they're entering high school with a 4th grade education and no ability to read.

I'd drop out rather than submit to that humiliation.

46 posted on 04/01/2008 2:01:40 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: SoldierDad
This is why we need to have vocational programs for many of our youth so they can learn skills which can lead to gainful employment and become contributing members of society.

Not to put too fine a point on it ... but most of the jobs that would use those sorts of skills have been sent overseas, or are currently occupied by illegal immigrants. The entry-level jobs they could get probably wouldn't pay enough to attract the folks who know they can get a better deal on welfare.

And, of course, "teaching skills" has a difficult time dealing with kids who have been raised in an utterly poisonous culture. Teaching skills "disrespects" them. Trying hard in school is derided as "acting white." Thug-culture is king.

Seems to me that serious welfare reform would go a long way to addressing the problem. And I think, too, that requiring the name of the father on the birth certificate as a prerequisite for aid -- and failure to support should be punished severely.

47 posted on 04/01/2008 2:04:01 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

We need to separate those kids who want an education from those who don’t so they don’t impede the productive kids. If the parents don’t care, niether will the kids.


48 posted on 04/01/2008 2:06:54 PM PDT by umgud
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To: SoldierDad

As you well know, far too much is made of
graduating and graduation rates.
That’s only a rough surrogate metric.

The CONTENT of what a school-leaver
... at any point ... knows, and can do,
is far more important than possession of a diploma.


49 posted on 04/01/2008 2:10:48 PM PDT by Eleutherios
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To: Fox_Mulder77
1 in 2 would be a record year for the school I graduated from!!! The inner-city school I graduated from was and still is graduating on average 15% of its students.

Good grief, Fox! That's the worst of which I've heard. What made you do well? Your family?

50 posted on 04/01/2008 2:11:11 PM PDT by American Quilter (Vote Democrat--It's Easier Than Thinking)
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