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Locked Up: 1 in 99 in the Slammer
Foxnews ^ | Friday, February 29, 2008 | AP

Posted on 02/29/2008 5:13:51 AM PST by Carbonsteel

NEW YORK — More than one in every 100 American adults is in jail or prison — making the United States the world's incarceration leader, according to a new report tracking the surge in U.S. inmate population.

The report, released Thursday by the Pew Center on the States, urged U.S. states to curtail corrections spending by placing fewer low-risk offenders behind bars.

"The United States imprisons more people than any country in the world," the report said. Using updated state-by-state data, it said more than 2.3 million adults were held in U.S. prisons or jails at the start of 2008 — or one of every 99.1 adults out of a total population of some 230 million adults.

The numbers put the United States far ahead of more populous China, which it said has 1.5 million people behind bars, and Russia, which has 890,000. The Pew report cited January statistics from the "World Prison Brief" released by the International Center for Prison Studies at London's King's College.

It also said the U.S. — with 750 inmates per 100,000 people — "is the global leader in the rate at which it incarcerates its citizenry, outpacing nations like South Africa and Iran."

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Another consequence of the "war on drugs"?
1 posted on 02/29/2008 5:13:53 AM PST by Carbonsteel
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To: Carbonsteel

and how many of them really ARE Americans??


2 posted on 02/29/2008 5:18:50 AM PST by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: Carbonsteel

Maybe these people should stop breaking the law (just a thought).


3 posted on 02/29/2008 5:19:11 AM PST by Arm_Bears (See Rock City!)
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To: Carbonsteel
The numbers put the United States far ahead of more populous China

Yeah, but the US doesn't shoot inmates and sell 'em for spare parts.

4 posted on 02/29/2008 5:20:04 AM PST by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: Carbonsteel

This is because we are a nation of laws. I was down in some rough part of Caracas, Venezuela a couple of weeks ago. What I saw there was much lawlessness, drunkenness, a survival of the fittest culture. Believe me when I say this, we in America have a lot to be thankful for.


5 posted on 02/29/2008 5:20:38 AM PST by marvlus
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To: Carbonsteel

That’s what i was thinking: maybe we’re locking more up because we have stupid laws...?


6 posted on 02/29/2008 5:22:27 AM PST by MacDorcha (Arm yourself!)
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To: Carbonsteel

Comparisons to China and Russia are misleading. The US prefers to store their crminals while those countries might just eliminate some.


7 posted on 02/29/2008 5:26:25 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Truthism Watch)
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To: Carbonsteel
Another consequence of the "war on drugs"?

That's a part of it, but probably it has more to do with the fact that we are moderate in our dealings with criminals. We don't go too lenient, like they do in Europe, and just give you time served and probation for murder, nor do we shoot you in the back of the head because we need your kidneys, like they are wont to do in China.

8 posted on 02/29/2008 5:29:42 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Men fight well when they know that no prisoners will be taken.)
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To: Carbonsteel
"... making the United States the world's incarceration leader"

We're #1! We're #1!


9 posted on 02/29/2008 5:31:20 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Carbonsteel

This problem is easily solved. Just make crime legal.


10 posted on 02/29/2008 5:32:07 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Scrape the bottom, vote for Rodham!)
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To: Carbonsteel

“The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. “

Ayn Rand.

Mark


11 posted on 02/29/2008 5:34:04 AM PST by MarkL
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To: Carbonsteel

That’s because there are too few executions...


12 posted on 02/29/2008 5:36:28 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: Fresh Wind
This problem is easily solved. Just make crime legal.

Steve Martin: "I FORGOT that murder was a crime."

13 posted on 02/29/2008 5:37:17 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: Carbonsteel

Somalia, Darfur, and Kenya have no prisons. The concept of a prison system is considered a waste of resources in much of the world.


14 posted on 02/29/2008 5:38:10 AM PST by blackdog
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To: Carbonsteel
More than one in every 100 American adults is in jail or prison

An easy number to present but I do don't think that it is true........................ Like the million man march and others...........
15 posted on 02/29/2008 5:38:45 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: Carbonsteel
I’ve seen college students locked up here for selling a few grams of weed.

The Corrections officers I talked to are tired of these young students getting locked up for dumb ‘crimes’ and being placed next to violent offenders. But the CO's also know that lots of money comes from mommies and daddies paying fines for these students. Then taxpayers had to lock them up and pay for a new prison.

The WOD is a scam on taxpayers perpetrated by the law-enforcement "industry".

16 posted on 02/29/2008 5:39:06 AM PST by varyouga ("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
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To: marvlus
I was down in some rough part of Caracas, Venezuela a couple of weeks ago. What I saw there was much lawlessness, drunkenness, a survival of the fittest culture.
I've always said that every American (male and female) should be drafted into the military or "Peace Corps" and then spend at least six months in a third world country.
Most Americans don't have clue how great this country is and how blessed they are to live here.
17 posted on 02/29/2008 5:46:12 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: PeterPrinciple

These statistics are not that difficult. The authorities DO know how many people they have in jail, and who they are.


18 posted on 02/29/2008 5:46:27 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: Carbonsteel
The numbers were "especially startling" for some groups, the report said. "While one in 30 men between the ages of 20 and 34 is behind bars, for black males in that age group the figure is one in nine." Hm, 1 in 9.. That's a pretty dire situation.
19 posted on 02/29/2008 5:47:30 AM PST by Dutchguy
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To: Carbonsteel
"Another consequence of the "war on drugs"?"

Only about 20% are there for drug related crimes -- dealing and trafficking. Put another way, we could set them all free and we'd still be number one. By a huge margin.

In 2003, 68% of prison and jail inmates were members of racial or ethnic minority groups. More minorities are in prison than in college. Remove them from the statistic, and we drop from 2.3 million to 740,000 -- less than Russia.

20 posted on 02/29/2008 5:48:23 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Carbonsteel

It is not like we just lock people up arbitrarily. Those folks in our prisons are there because a judge and jury determined that they needed to be punished for committing one or more crimes. This high rate of incarceration probably says a lot about the break down of our society more than anything else.


21 posted on 02/29/2008 5:58:37 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: marvlus
My wife and I were in Quito, Equador a couple of years ago. In downtown, the walls surrounding property are topped with broken glass and barbed wire. Heavy metal shutters cover business fronts at night. When open, every shop had an armed guard.

We went out to one of the nicer restaurants one evening. Our taxi was met by the doorman armed with an AK-47. I kid you not.

But, hey. I bet their incarceration rate is lower.

22 posted on 02/29/2008 6:00:09 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: marvlus
What I saw there was much lawlessness, drunkenness, a survival of the fittest culture.

I'll take your word for how bad it was there, but you can find what you've described in any US inner city.

23 posted on 02/29/2008 6:01:08 AM PST by no nau
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To: Arm_Bears

I wrote a book on this subject called “The Spirit Set Me Free” (Paulist Press) available on Amazon.com

It features ordinary men and woman from across the country who discovered Christ where they least expected to — in prison.

Frederick Hermann


24 posted on 02/29/2008 6:03:10 AM PST by blessu (blessu)
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To: Hazcat
2/3 of them are Americans. How about deporting the 1/3 and put more Americans behind bars to fill the void? Then maybe I’d be able to visit downtown Baltimore without seeing a stabbing, mugging, or carjacking.
25 posted on 02/29/2008 6:04:56 AM PST by Vision ("If God so clothes the grass of the field...will He not much more clothe you...?" -Matthew 6:30)
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To: Carbonsteel
This incarceration rate is one of many reasons why everyone is the world wants in here.
26 posted on 02/29/2008 6:05:56 AM PST by Vision ("If God so clothes the grass of the field...will He not much more clothe you...?" -Matthew 6:30)
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To: Carbonsteel

If you do the crime, you must do the time.


27 posted on 02/29/2008 6:06:27 AM PST by kabar
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To: Vision

The widely cited figure of 1/3 foreigners in our jails is for FEDERAL prisons, which hold only about 10% of all prisoners (and, of course, concentrate on smuggling, immigration and other offenses whre foreigners would be overrepresented). A DOJ reports says only about 10% of the total number of prisoners in the US are foreigners. Check the site for “Bureau of Justice Statistics.”


28 posted on 02/29/2008 6:10:09 AM PST by BohDaThone
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To: BohDaThone

It surprises me that there are no illegal aliens in state prisons. There’s no illegal in San Quentin?


29 posted on 02/29/2008 6:13:52 AM PST by Vision ("If God so clothes the grass of the field...will He not much more clothe you...?" -Matthew 6:30)
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To: Vision

Not none — I didn’t say that — just not 1/3, on a nationwide basis.


30 posted on 02/29/2008 6:17:39 AM PST by BohDaThone
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To: Carbonsteel

SOLUTION: Let all the law abiding live behind the protected prison walls, let all the convicts out. Soon the convicts will have all killed themselves in gang wars leaving us with a new start.


31 posted on 02/29/2008 6:18:37 AM PST by meandog (Please pray for future President McCain--day minus 325 and counting! Stay home and get Baraked!)
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To: robertpaulsen
“My wife and I were in Quito, Ecuador a couple of years ago. In downtown, the walls surrounding property are topped with broken glass and barbed wire. Heavy metal shutters cover business fronts at night....”

Reminds me of the French Quarter in New Orleans BEFORE Katrina hit. Lot’s of razor wire, too. And it’s still like that today...

32 posted on 02/29/2008 6:25:04 AM PST by Leo Farnsworth (I'm not really Leo Farnsworth...)
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To: MarkL
“The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. “

Excellent quote. The same could be said for taxation, too.....

33 posted on 02/29/2008 6:31:11 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Silence is not always a Sign of Wisdom, but Babbling is ever a Mark of Folly. - B. Franklin)
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To: Arm_Bears

Begs the question: Why do do many people in such a wealthy country decide to break the law?


34 posted on 02/29/2008 6:31:35 AM PST by Homer1
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To: Carbonsteel
Prisons, Jails and Probation – Overview

1 in every 31 adults, were incarcerated or on probation or parole at yearend 2006."

35 posted on 02/29/2008 6:32:39 AM PST by KDD (Freedom begins between the ears. -- Edward Abbey)
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To: Carbonsteel

The story isn’t how many people are locked up, the story here is the necessity of having to lock these people up. Locking up crimnals is a reaction to their behavior and their personal choice to commit crime. Jail or prison is where they need to be.


36 posted on 02/29/2008 6:40:57 AM PST by FrdmLvr
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To: Carbonsteel

With freedom comes great responsibility. Some can’t handle either.


37 posted on 02/29/2008 6:43:49 AM PST by Niteranger68 (Where are they hiding Obamaís white half?)
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To: Carbonsteel

The reason why we have so many people in jail is simple: We have a lot of crime.


38 posted on 02/29/2008 6:45:30 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: blessu

Another problem is that a lot of them discover muhamad in there too.


39 posted on 02/29/2008 6:47:12 AM PST by onedoug
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To: kabar

Or, they could follow the best line in “Liar, Liar” -

“STOP BREAKING THE LAW, 4$$h013!”


40 posted on 02/29/2008 6:48:00 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Carbonsteel
I'm just glad the system didn't let Martha Stewart slip through its fingers. And it's a good thing Bill Clinton and his supporters decriminalized perjury, rape, sexual assault, and the intimidation of witnesses; at least that gives the prison system some relief.
41 posted on 02/29/2008 6:56:54 AM PST by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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To: Carbonsteel
It also said the U.S. — with 750 inmates per 100,000 people — "is the global leader in the rate at which it incarcerates its citizenry, outpacing nations like South Africa and Iran."

Sure. Dead people are no longer considered "incarcerated".

42 posted on 02/29/2008 6:58:38 AM PST by Doohickey (McCain 2008: A President with Tourette's will make press conferences interesting...)
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To: varyouga

In most cases, you don’t get sent to prison for selling a few grams on the 1st offense. Those locked up for that have already been through the WOD system maybe a half dozen times before the judge got tired of looking at them.


43 posted on 02/29/2008 7:03:15 AM PST by Justeggsactly
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To: MarkL

No smoking, seatbelt laws, helmets on tots, yada, yada, yada.
Seems that some people have nothing better to do than find ways to discourage the rights of others. We call ‘em Nanny Laws.

Of course, there are people too stupid for common sense, but IMHO, those are the ones creating new laws.


44 posted on 02/29/2008 7:51:50 AM PST by wizr ("Give me liberty, or give me death." - Patrick Henry)
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To: Carbonsteel

There is one fewer than there should be.


45 posted on 02/29/2008 7:53:57 AM PST by Lazamataz (Why isnít this in Breaking News????)
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To: Carbonsteel

And we dont hang them as fast as we used to.

We wouldn’t nearly have the repeat offenders if we hung more of them.


46 posted on 02/29/2008 7:55:05 AM PST by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
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To: Homer1

“Begs the question: Why do do many people in such a wealthy country decide to break the law?”

Consequences of a failed welfare state and a popular culture that glorifies thugs and promotes unrealistic expectations of easy money?


47 posted on 02/29/2008 8:03:27 AM PST by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: Carbonsteel

“It made my heart ache, you know, to see all these beautiful black men in the joint. The warriors should be out there helping the masses. I felt that way, I was real naive. Six weeks I was up there and I talked to the brothers. I talked to ‘em, and ... thank God we got penitentiaries!” - Richard Pryor


48 posted on 02/29/2008 8:40:05 AM PST by dfwgator (11+7+15=3 Heismans)
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To: Justeggsactly
In most cases, you don’t get sent to prison for selling a few grams on the 1st offense.

In drug sane states it's true.

Here in Penn State, I knew several students sentenced to months for selling around 3 grams of weed. Many brilliant Engineering students that didn't realize how much sh** they could get into.

Over here, you must either do time for selling or rat somebody out.

An old buddy of mine was set-up by a "girlfriend" in this town. He sold her some of his Rx painkillers and she was an informant. The guy was highly regarded in the Business school and already had a job lined up for 200k after graduation.

He never sold anything before but the mandatory minimum was something like a year.

The whole thing ruined his life and he killed himself last year. A victim of the drug war that turns friends into "informants".

49 posted on 02/29/2008 12:16:26 PM PST by varyouga ("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
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To: Keith Brown

Amen!


50 posted on 02/29/2008 12:28:33 PM PST by TexasRepublic (When hopelessness replaces hope, it opens the door to evil.)
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