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10TH ANNIVERSARY MEMORIES! Let's Begin a Nostalgic Look at the Bill & Monica Affair
Office of Independent Counsel 10/2/98 supplemental Documents | Dukeman

Posted on 01/20/2008 11:46:05 AM PST by dukeman

Not quite ten years ago I spent waaaaay too much time pouring through the supplemental documents released by Ken Starr in support of his published report. These documents were primarly transcrpts of grand jury testimony, but some FBI investigative reports were also included. I had fun digging into the dirt and I hope you'll enjoy reading some of the highlights again. There will be more to come. And since I understand the wife of Monica's ex-boyfriend now wants to be President, I hope she enjoys them too!

Monica Lewinsky's college friend, Catherine Allday Davis, at page 847, answeers grand jury questions regarding Monica's now famous blue dress:

“Q: Do you recall any comments that Monica made to you in conversation with you in relation to any dress that she wore during a visit with the President?

A: Yes.

Q: What do you remember?

A: I remember her telling me that she wore this-- the dark blue navy dress.

Q: And do you recall any comments that she made to you about a dress, this dress or any other dress, after a visit that she had with the President?

A: Yes. I remember a comment about, "I wonder" or "I hope"-- "I wonder if he's going to pay for the dry cleaning of a dress." I don't remember if it was specifically that blue dress.”


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Incidentally, somewhere else in the transcripts Monica indicates that she initially thought the stain on the dress was a spot of wayward spinach dip. The rest, as they say, is history.

Wow, Bill! A four or five dollar cleaning bill would have saved your legacy and Monica would have just been more roadkill left in your path.

Bill: "Note to self-- Next time, post a dry cleaning cost deposit before beginning illicit relationship."

1 posted on 01/20/2008 11:46:08 AM PST by dukeman
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2 posted on 01/20/2008 11:50:30 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: dukeman
 

3 posted on 01/20/2008 11:54:59 AM PST by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: Kozak
Har, Har! I'll do my best to find the cigar references in the transcripts for you. In the meantime, this will have to do:

The following excerpt from page 4203 of LindaTripp's grand jury testimony may indicate a cause of action exists against Monica for Bill's leg injury while visiting Greg Norman's house in Florida:

“Q: And please describe to the grand jury what that--why don't you read that notation [Tripp kept notes of some of her conversations with Monica] and explain to them what it means.

A: Monica had said that the President had been in Florida and called her on a weekday at 2:30 in the morning, that Mrs. Clinton was not there, and that virtually the entire conversation, its entire length, was dedicated to phone sex, which she described as incredible.

........

Q: As incredible. What would make that incredible, versus any other phone sex? Do you know?

A: Only that it would stand out more than others for length and satisfying. I--Monica was analyzing throughout this whole conversation that we had in which I took the notes, the ebbs and flows, the ups and downs, the cause and effect of different happenings and she hypothesized that, you know, well, Mrs. Clinton wasn't there and he was away and maybe that contributed to his sense of freedom. As I said, these are only things she said to me.”

Okay, here's the theory: Bill and Monica's phone conversation was so exciting for Bill that it caused too much blood flow away from his brain and to, uh, somewhere else. The result? He gets lightheaded, stumbles down Norman's stairs, and hurts his leg. Open and shut case? Perhaps Alan Dershowitz would take it on a contingent basis.

4 posted on 01/20/2008 11:58:03 AM PST by dukeman
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To: Wolverine

Love the graphic!


5 posted on 01/20/2008 11:59:35 AM PST by dukeman
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To: dukeman
This is what I remembered:
 
Monica overshadowed Chinagate
 

6 posted on 01/20/2008 12:00:00 PM PST by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: Wolverine

You are absolutely correct about Chinagate!


7 posted on 01/20/2008 12:01:14 PM PST by dukeman
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How much is that blewdress worth to Monica’s 401k?


8 posted on 01/20/2008 12:02:29 PM PST by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: Kozak; Wolverine
Okay, here's one more, but I'm taking a break to watch the NFL playoffs:

Mr. President, Just What Does One Wear To A Phone Sex Encounter?

At page 4127 of her grand jury testimony, Linda Tripp testifies regarding Monica's acount of phone sex interludes with the leader of the free world:

“Q: Did the President ever describe to Monica Lewinsky what he was wearing during these conversations?

A: Monica said he always said the same thing. He was always wearing a T-shirt and blue underwear.”

Creepy inage!. How can this guy build a bridge to the 21st century when he can't even change his underpants? And before anyone asks, the record does not reflect whether they were boxers or bfiefs.

9 posted on 01/20/2008 12:06:23 PM PST by dukeman
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“I could hardly breathe” BUMP!

(that’s what she said...Hillary, not Monica, when finding out about Bill’s affair according to Lying History...er “Living History”)


10 posted on 01/20/2008 12:09:49 PM PST by PGalt
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To: Wolverine

What I remember was the comment that Bill supposedly made to Monica, “...there’s an embassy listening in.” Anybody know where that appears in the Starr report?


11 posted on 01/20/2008 12:11:49 PM PST by Clioman
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Okay, here's the theory: Bill and Monica's phone conversation was so exciting for Bill that it caused too much blood flow away from his brain and to, uh, somewhere else.

As a physician I can assure you that a "diversion" of 10 cubic centimeters of blood from the cerebral circulation is not enough to cause lightheadedness...
12 posted on 01/20/2008 12:24:36 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: Clioman

 

http://tinyurl.com/3avaxt

According to Ms. Lewinsky, she and the President had a lengthy conversation that day. He told her that he suspected that a foreign embassy (he did not specify which one) was tapping his telephones, and he proposed cover stories. If ever questioned, she should say that the two of them were just friends. If anyone ever asked about their phone sex, she should say that they knew their calls were being monitored all along, and the phone sex was just a put-on.(456)


13 posted on 01/20/2008 12:25:10 PM PST by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: Clioman

I don’t know where that one appears, but one of my favorite passages from the testimony is where Dick Morris discusses his phone conversations with ‘ol Bill. Morris, you may recall, sometimes let the hooker he was with listen in on his conversations so he’d look like a big shot. Bill was phoning Morris frequently when the scandal first broke in the news and he asked Morris about whether anybody listened in. I’ll try to find that excerpt.


14 posted on 01/20/2008 12:26:24 PM PST by dukeman
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Here is one conversation with Dick Morris and Clinton from the book "The Starr Report".

Amidst the flurry of press activity on January 21, 1998, the President's former political consultant, Dick Morris, read the Post story and called the President.

According to Mr. Morris, he told the President, "You poor son of a #itch. I've just read what's going on." The President responded, "Oh,God. This is just awful....I didn't do what the said I did, but I did do something. I mean, with this girl, I may have done enough so that I don't know if I can prove my innocence....There may be gifts. I gave her gifts,....and there may be messages on her phone answering machine.

You know, ever since the election I've tried to shut myself down, sexually I mean....But sometimes I slipped up and with this girl I just slipped up".

15 posted on 01/20/2008 12:48:26 PM PST by SweetCaroline (Inside me lives a skinny woman crying to get out. But I can usually shut the #itch up with cookies.)
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February marks the 15th Anniversary of the Waco Seige. I wonder if Hillary will claim that this situation adds to her experience base upon which "Commander in Chief" vetting exists.

Hey Hey Hillary! You actions were a Killery!

16 posted on 01/20/2008 1:15:54 PM PST by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: Clioman
Here's the grand jury excerpt I was thinking of. It shows very early communication between 'ol Bill and Morris:

At pages 2930 to 2932, Dick Morris describes his second contact with bill clinton after the Lewinsky story broke on 1/21/98:

"A: On Thursday evening, at about seven p.m. roughly, I was in my apartment in New York--

Q: This is January 22nd?

A: Yes.

Q: All right.

A: And I got a telephone call from a newspaper, I believe it was USA Today,...

.............

And the reporter said that there's a line in the tape, meaning the Linda Tripp tape, the Monica Lewinsky/Linda Tripp tape, there's a line on the tape that refers to an incident when the President was with Monica Lewinsky having sex and he was on the telephone with you in the Jefferson Hotel where I lived during this period and that you were with the prostitute who I was subsequently exposed to have a relationship with and that you were having sex with her while he was having sex with Lewinsky and you were talking to one another.

And I said, 'That's ridiculous. That's absolutely crazy. It never happened. It could never have possibly vaguely happened.'

The President had no idea that I was doing what I was doing, and if he had known, I would have been fired in a heartbeat. And I had no idea he was doing what he said he was doing. So it was just completely fanciful.

And then I said, "If you print that, it's reckless and untrue." And the word "reckless" is the word you use to kill a news story because that means libel suit.

And I said, 'So you'd better have--' I said, 'If you have it on hard evidence, which is you have heard the tape and you can say that it's on that tape, then you can print it and you'd better print my denial. But if you do not know of yourself that it's on the tape, I'm telling you that it never happened and if you print it, the fact that you're printing it will be reckless and defamatory.', which means I'll sue.

So they didn't publish the story. When he hung up the phone, I was absolutely gleeful and I picked up the phone and I called the President because I felt that this was proof that Monica Lewinsky was making all this garbage up because this had never happened. You know, she was telling Linda Tripp that this had happened and she must be a nut, which I hoped that she was.

So then I called the President and he was in the White House. They told me he's in the White House theater [probably watching Wag The Dog and taking notes]. I believe I subsequently learned that he was with Arafat, but I'm vague on that.

.............

And then the President came out and said, 'I can't talk now. What's up?'

And I told him about the USA Today call and he said, 'This is fantastic. This is great.' You know, because we were both really happy about it....

........

About an hour later, I called him back and we--.... and I said, 'Let me read the statement I gave to USA Today.' I had in the meantime written a statement and called them back.

And I said, 'If you go with it, which is reckless and dangerous,' and whatever the words are, 'this is my statement, but only if you go with it. This isn't your license to go with it.' And the statement said that-- I said, 'This is the fevered fantasy-- this is the fevered fantasy of a teenage mind.'

And I said, 'If all of Monica Lewinsky's charges are as accurate as this one, then she owes the nation a massive apology for completely taking us down fantasy lane,' or something like that.

And I told them that I was planning to have a press conference the next day, Friday morning, releasing this fact and blasting Monica Lewinsky "out of the water" because I said, 'Nobody's going to believe this and this will destroy her credibility on everything else she's saying.'

And he said, 'Yeah, when I heard about it, I was just ecstatic. It was great.'

And I said-- I said, 'this is wonderful. And, you know, when the country hears the other garbage on her tape, if it's as fanciful as this, her credibility will just be destroyed.'

And he said, 'Yeah.'

And I said, "The country's never going to impeach a president over the word of a 21-year old girl on some kind of fantasy trip." And we talked in that vein for a moment. Then he said-- and I said, "I'm going to really just rip her tomorrow."

And he said,"You'd better be careful. Don't be too hard on her because there's some slight chance that she may not be cooperating with Starr and we don't want to alienate her by anything we're going to put out."

And I said, "Oh, okay. Well--

And he said, "Don't do anything until we talk in the morning."

And I said, "Fine."

Then he said,[this is my favorite part]"By the way, Dick, do you know the date of the, uh--" this is his "uh", it's not mine, "The, uh, the time with the woman?"

And I said, "What do you mean, sir?"

And he said, "The time, you know, with the woman in your hotel, the prostitute, you know, listening in on the calls?" And he was referring to an allegation that the prostitute who I had an affair with made which is that I had let her listen in and eavesdrop on conversations with the President.[Yes, a possible three-way with Bill, Monica & Dick]

] And I told the President that that was not true. I said, "As I've said before, this was not true. I never had her eavesdrop on a conversation with you. What I did was to pull the phone up to her ear for one minute so I could be a big shot and have her hear that I was talking to you and she just caught the sound of your voice."

And he said, "Well, what date was that?"

And I said, "Sir, a dozen times."

And he said, "Oh, all right."

And that was the conversation.

Q: All right. Let me ask you just a question with reference to that while we're here. During the times that-- these dozen times when you may have put the phone up, you were speaking with the President on the telephone and may have put the phone up to the woman's ear for a short time, as you've testified, during those conversations you do not know who may or may not have been with the President when you were speaking with him. Is that fair to say?

A: Yes. Fair. I mean, sometimes I would have the impression that he had staff with him or something, but I never had the slightest idea, impression or inkling of the rumor that this story indicated, that there was a time when he was talking to me while he was having sex with anybody.

Q: But you're not able to exclude that possibility.

A: No. I would consider it remote. He would constantly engage in conversation and talking and back and forth and byplay and there probably were times when he was less than attentive in 150 phone conversations, but sex would be a little farfetched.[But not too far fetched]

Q: All right, sir. Now.

A: Maybe it would be one of the times he indicated pleasure at my speech draft. Anyway, go ahead.

.............

Morris next indicates that he discussed the press conference idea with his wife and decided against it.

"And before I could tell him I was not going to have the press conference, he [Clinton, the next day] said to me either, "I'm glad you called," or "Here's why I called you." I mean, I would always call him because he would never call me, he would page me, and I don't know if I called him on my own or returning his page.

And he said, "Listen, my people don't think it would be a good idea for you to give that press conference because we're not at all sure that Lewinsky is going to cooperate with Starr, we think there's some chance that she won't and we don't want to alienate her."

Of course, at this time 'ol Bill did not know about the now-famous stained blue dress. Isn't it telling that Bill was trying to find out about the eavesdropping prostitute and what she may have heard?

17 posted on 01/20/2008 1:27:35 PM PST by dukeman
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To: dukeman

I did not have sex with that woman...

18 posted on 01/20/2008 1:39:15 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: dukeman

Clinton testimony - "touched her breasts"....?

19 posted on 01/20/2008 1:52:06 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: Clioman

I will look. I have a Clinton bedroom in my house complete with Starr Report, white house ash tray, a cigar and a blue dress.


20 posted on 01/20/2008 2:57:17 PM PST by DooDahhhh
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