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364 DEATHS IN GEORGIA PSYCH HOSPITALS—TIP OF ICEBERG
01/11/07 | Fred A. Baughman

Posted on 08/09/2007 7:12:45 AM PDT by Lennyq

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To: Snoopers-868th

Granted, there are alot of fake disorders thought up to bring in more cash for the beast, but there are quite real monsters that do exist.


21 posted on 08/09/2007 7:42:41 AM PDT by Darksheare (Woodchuck: a Dire Lemming rampager +9!)
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To: Dustbunny
This is a must read!!!

This is a 'must verify'.

22 posted on 08/09/2007 7:42:50 AM PDT by Clam Digger (NO REAL THAN YOU ARE!)
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To: Darksheare

I’ll have my voices contact your voices.......They can do group therapy!..........


23 posted on 08/09/2007 7:43:00 AM PDT by Red Badger (All I know about Minnesota, I learned from Garrison Keilor.............)
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To: dmz
The devastating effects of bipolar disorder have long been known. Just watch a person live through a manic phase one time and tell me there’s nothing brain/biochemical related. Their entire personality and mannerisms change. Something as simple as a lithium salt can keep it at bay. And this has been known long before the era of big pharma and rampant over prescribing.

The conclusions offered are an embarrassment.

24 posted on 08/09/2007 7:43:03 AM PDT by zencat (The universe is not what it appears, nor is it something else.)
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To: Red Badger

They might collaborate.
That would be bad.


25 posted on 08/09/2007 7:44:53 AM PDT by Darksheare (Woodchuck: a Dire Lemming rampager +9!)
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To: TChris
.Quite simply, there is no such thing as a psychiatric disorder/disease/chemical imbalance. I stopped reading right there. This guy's an anti-psychiatry/psychology zealot and a nutbar.

No, the guy is a stupid liar.

26 posted on 08/09/2007 7:45:02 AM PDT by Clam Digger (NO REAL THAN YOU ARE!)
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To: dmz
And I’m pretty sure that the act of posting a thread does not entitle you to limit what is and is not discussed on the thread. You don’t ‘own’ the thread, only folks whose delusions of grandeur are currently untreated by meds think so (just a weak attempt at topical humor).

You are correct. The author is ignorant, and is using his false religion of scientology as a tool to lie to as many people as possible, and the poster of this thread appears to be one of his guppy minins trying to spread the word. Kooks.

27 posted on 08/09/2007 7:47:24 AM PDT by Clam Digger (NO REAL THAN YOU ARE!)
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To: Lennyq

I did a google - I see they speak favorably of him in the Scientology publications.


28 posted on 08/09/2007 7:48:53 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: zencat

I have a friend that is bi-polar. She is extremely bright but when she was on no medication she could not find her way in the back door around a small table that was in front of the entrance. I observed he go on a manic phase. She took a bath at my house and tore up my towels because she could not find a washcloth. They were beside the towels. She attended a wedding reception and went to the hospital in one city and then used the ambulance for a taxi cab from that city hospital (about 20 miles away) to the next to get to her Dr. I don’t profess to know the answer to these peoples problems but I do believe there are way too many people diagnosed as bi-polar when in actuality they are just plain hyper people that have not learned to put to work in a constructive way their highs and take the rest when it comes. In other words, control over ones mind and actions. This is only my perception certainly not pretending any knowledge.


29 posted on 08/09/2007 7:49:24 AM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: Lennyq
if you are interested in debating scientology please move on to another thread

Trying for a pre-emptive innoculation :)

Let's hope it works. :)

30 posted on 08/09/2007 7:51:58 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Snoopers-868th

Without intending to quarrel with you, your “they are simply hyper people” is a pretty gross oversimplification.

I could likely curl your hair with some of the stories I have collected over the last 10 years of dealing with my on the meds/off the meds bipolar mother.

Ripping up towels to make a washcloth is not the act of a hyper person.


31 posted on 08/09/2007 7:58:00 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Lennyq

For future reference, if you want to be taken seriously, it’s probably best not to cite the works of a psycho nutcase scientologist (sorry for being redundant).


32 posted on 08/09/2007 8:00:04 AM PDT by Clam Digger (NO REAL THAN YOU ARE!)
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To: Lennyq
In addition if you are interested in debating scientology please move on to another thread.

Sorry, it doesn’t work that way. If don’t want flak about scientology, stop posting their tracts.

33 posted on 08/09/2007 8:01:27 AM PDT by dighton
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To: dmz
Without intending to quarrel with you, your “they are simply hyper people” is a pretty gross oversimplification.

Same here, no conflict with you, but there is just no comparison. See it once and you'll know.

Everything changes. Ideation, focus, rate of speech, patterns of speech, word choice, mannerisms, posture, appetite, sex drive, no sleeping for days. When it happens to someone you know to the core, and you know they haven't taken anything like amphetamines, it's pretty creepy. They are quite simply out of control and you must babysit, sometimes for days.

Fortunately, there are many meds that are quite successful at preventing these episodes.
34 posted on 08/09/2007 8:10:33 AM PDT by zencat (The universe is not what it appears, nor is it something else.)
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To: Lennyq; Clam Digger; TChris
I think it depends what the problem is. I saw this doctor (David Carbonell) speak five years ago in Chicago, making the argument that panic/anxiety/agoraphobia has to be mostly psychological and not physiological. This is pretty convincing, IMHO...

"Certainly there are chemical aspects to a panic attack, because we are literally made of chemicals; and the use of certain chemicals in medications can help some, though not all, people. But, in my opinion, panic attacks are not simply the product of a "chemical imbalance". Here's an exercise to help you see why not.

On a piece of paper, write down five situations in which you feel almost sure you would have a panic attack. Maybe this would include highway driving; flying; a crowded grocery store where the air conditioning has failed; and so on. Now write down five situations in which it would be practically impossible for you to have one.

Pause here and make your lists. When you're ready to continue, scroll down.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did you make your lists? One with situations practically guaranteed to produce a panic attack, and one with situations that probably can't lead to panic at all? Okay. My question for you is this.

How do the chemicals find out where you are?

35 posted on 08/09/2007 8:22:40 AM PDT by jdm
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To: dighton

It’s not - try doing some research beyond the end of your nose. There are an amazing number of posters on this site who do no reading, no research, but post anyhow as tho they know something about the topic.

Read this site as just a starter:
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/
They say the same thing - and explicitly say they are not part of and want no connection with scientology or any of its organizations.

People who post threads want a discussion, not BS. If you have anything to add for or against the topic of this article then say so - don’t bring in irrelevancies.


36 posted on 08/09/2007 8:40:20 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: jdm

They don’t “find out where you are”, silly. They are an element in the process of the body’s reaction to where it is, as discovered by way of the senses.

So what was your point again?


37 posted on 08/09/2007 8:40:25 AM PDT by dinoparty
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To: dmz
only folks whose delusions of grandeur are currently untreated by meds think so You mean like Congress?
38 posted on 08/09/2007 8:42:28 AM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: darkangel82

LOL - any politician. Some of the worst sit on zoning boards.


39 posted on 08/09/2007 8:44:50 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: cinives

Last modified November 26, 2005. A little Zoloft might snap them out of it.


40 posted on 08/09/2007 8:45:02 AM PDT by dighton
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