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India seals itself off from Bangladesh (a 2000 mile fence!)
Chron (AP) ^ | 6/27/07 | Tim sullivan

Posted on 06/27/2007 7:31:58 AM PDT by voletti

SUJATPUR, Bangladesh — Everyone knew it was out there somewhere, an invisible line that cut through a cow pasture and, at least in theory, divided one nation from another. But no one saw it as a border — it was just a lumpy field of grass, uneven from the hooves of generations of cattle, and villagers crossed back and forth without even thinking about it. Today, no one can ignore the line.

In a construction project that will eventually reach across 2,050 miles, hundreds of rivers and long stretches of forests and fields, India has been quietly sealing itself off from Bangladesh, its much poorer neighbor. Sections totaling about 1,550 miles have been built the past seven years.

In Sujatpur, a poor farming village, the frontier is now defined by two rows of 10-foot-high barbed wire barriers, the posts studded with ugly spikes the size of a toddler's fingers. A smaller fence, and miles of barbed wire coils, fill the space in between. The expanse of steel, set into concrete, spills off toward the horizon in both directions.

"Before, it was like we were one country," said Mohammed Iqbal, a Bangladeshi farmer walking near the border on a windy afternoon. "I used to go over there just to pass the time."

As he spoke, a cow wandered past, brass bells jangling around its neck. "But now that's over," he said.

In the United States, the decision to fence 700 miles of the Mexican border triggered months of political debate ranging across issues from immigration reform to the environmental impact. When Israel announced it would build a 425-mile barrier around the West Bank, an international outcry erupted.

But there has been barely a ripple over India's far larger project, launched in earnest in 2000 amid growing fears in New Delhi about illegal immigration and cross-border terrorism.

The Bangladesh government made a few complaints — the fence felt like an insult, as if their country was a plague that needed to be quarantined — but soon gave up.

India has become enamored with fences in recent years.

First it started closing off much of its border with Pakistan, trying to stop incursions by Muslim extremists. Then it turned to its other Muslim neighbor, Bangladesh, and has been building the fence intermittently ever since.

There's no clear completion date for the $1.2 billion project, which when finished will nearly encircle Bangladesh — leaving open only its seacoast and its border of about 200 miles with Myanmar.

India believes some Indian militant groups are based in Bangladesh, a charge the Bangladeshi government denies.

But the larger fear in New Delhi is that illegal immigrants will flood out of Bangladesh, one of the world's most crowded countries. Its 150 million people, about half the U.S. population, jam an area the size of Wisconsin, and the low-lying land is prone to devastating floods and typhoons. Scientists also warn that rising sea levels from global warming could force millions of Bangladeshis from their homes.

India already has millions of its own citizens living in desperate poverty, despite an economy growing at more than 8 percent annually. Its population is approaching 1.2 billion and what little is left of its once-vast wilderness is being chewed up rapidly.

It is nearly impossible to judge how many residents of India are actually Bangladeshi. Particularly among the poor, many people have no identification showing their nationality, and residents of the frontier region tend to be similar in language and ethnicity. But some experts estimate as many as 20 million Bangladeshis are in India illegally, most crammed into large cities or in shantytowns just over the border.

"You've got an increasing population (in Bangladesh) with a shrinking land mass," said Ajai Sahni, head of the New Delhi-based Institute for Conflict Management who worries the Indian government is not building the fence quickly enough. "India has enough nightmares of its own without adding to them."

In villages like Sujatpur, India's fears have changed everything.

It began about a year ago, when Indian soldiers and construction workers arrived on their side of the border without warning and announced the frontier was closed.

Until then, people from this village of thatch-roofed huts, barely 200 yards from India, crossed the border daily to graze cattle, see friends or — since this part of India is one of the few that remains heavily forested — cut firewood and bamboo. Indians came to shop in Bangladeshi markets.

For Bangladeshis, particularly, the open border was a lifeline. India's $730 per capita income looks pitifully low by Western standards, but it's a decent income to many in Bangladesh, where some 60 million people live on less than $1 a day.

In a place like Sujatpur, where most families live hand to mouth, the cheap Indian grazing land and extra income from harvesting bamboo were economic godsends.

"Look at this place, we are poor," said Iqbal, gesturing around him. "Selling that wood earned us money that we needed."

The fence is being built on Indian soil, though, and there's nothing that can be done about it on this side.

"They're big and we're small and so they can do this to us," said Sulaiman, a Bangladeshi border guard with only one name. "It's insulting."

But it's also easy to see why India is nervous.

Sujatpur may reflect a picturesque side of poverty, with its Technicolor-green fields and gentle-spoken farmers, but a glance at the border makes a stark statement.

On the Bangladesh side are huts and roads, rice paddies and cattle. There are families whose sons have fled to the cities, or to India, because there is no land left to farm. It's a rural area, but people are everywhere.

On the Indian side, sealed off behind the barbed wire, there is nothing but silent forest.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2016election; bangladesh; border; borderfence; election2016; goodfence; gujarat; india; kashmir; moat; newyork; pakistan; trump; wall; waronterror
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Where there's a will, there has to be a way.
1 posted on 06/27/2007 7:32:06 AM PDT by voletti
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To: voletti
OUTSOURCE - FENCE BUILDERS WANTED!

If you build it...they won't come ;-)

2 posted on 06/27/2007 7:33:30 AM PDT by NordP (The greatest gift God can give us is LIFE. The greatest gift man can give to another is FREEDOM.)
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To: voletti

“insulting” for property owners to decide to control their own property. NOT.


3 posted on 06/27/2007 7:33:53 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: voletti

Those nativists.


4 posted on 06/27/2007 7:34:57 AM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: voletti

>> In a place like Sujatpur, where most families live hand
>> to mouth, the cheap Indian grazing land and extra income
>> from harvesting bamboo were economic godsends.
>>
>> “Look at this place, we are poor,” said Iqbal, gesturing
>> around him. “Selling that wood earned us money that we
>> needed.”
>>

Gee too bad.. you should have thought about that Mohammad when your father betrayed India and seceded to form the “Islamic homeland”.


5 posted on 06/27/2007 7:36:50 AM PDT by Srirangan
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To: voletti
Read this today while I was at work: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6766563.stm

Seems the Bangledeshies are melting down Indian money to make razor blades. One good reason to build a fence.

6 posted on 06/27/2007 7:38:28 AM PDT by AntiKev ("No damage. The world's still turning isn't it?" - Stereo Goes Stellar - Blow Me A Holloway)
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To: AntiKev

Wow...that is a bizarre article. The things these muslim barbarians will do are astounding.


7 posted on 06/27/2007 7:46:23 AM PDT by indcons (Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.)
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To: voletti

1,550 miles in seven years. Wonder how much the U.S. (without government red tape) could have built since 9/11?


8 posted on 06/27/2007 7:47:04 AM PDT by manic4organic (Send a care package through USO today.)
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To: voletti

India builds a 2,050 mile fence for $1.2B, but here in the U.S. a 700 mile fence costs $2.2B (and that’s the low estimate!).


9 posted on 06/27/2007 7:48:40 AM PDT by Deut28 (Cursed be he who perverts the justice)
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To: voletti

“The Bangladesh government made a few complaints; the fence felt like an insult, as if their country was a plague that needed to be quarantined; but soon gave up.”

The Beltway political class must do what’s right for America instead of pandering to the Mexican govt. I am sure that the Mexicans will feel “insulted,” but if pols in DC show any spine, they’ll give up too and get used to reality.

There is one significant difference between the two cases though. In the US, we have a president who is more interested in “rights” for criminals than he is interested in enforcing the law.


10 posted on 06/27/2007 7:52:18 AM PDT by indcons (Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.)
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To: Deut28

“India builds a 2,050 mile fence for $1.2B, but here in the U.S. a 700 mile fence costs $2.2B (and that’s the low estimate!).”

Ditch tech support, time to call in the Indians for Outsourced engineering support, seems like.


11 posted on 06/27/2007 7:57:19 AM PDT by voletti (There's no place, I can be, since I found, serenity.)
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To: Deut28




In 1985 the government of India mooted the idea of constructing a fence along their common international frontier in the eastern part of the country. Subsequently, after deliberations at the highest policy-making levels, the decision was made to erect barbed wire fencing along entire common boundary with Bangladesh. The move to put up a barrier along the border was made to check illegal infiltration, contain smuggling and to frustrate militants who were using the border route to cross over into India to commit subversive acts.

Sounds just like the US-Mexico border.
12 posted on 06/27/2007 7:57:24 AM PDT by indcons (Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.)
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To: Deut28

Really, given the harsher terrain and the higher cost of labor in the US, that sounds about right.


13 posted on 06/27/2007 7:58:44 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: voletti

‘two rows of 10-foot-high barbed wire barriers, the posts studded with ugly spikes the size of a toddler’s fingers’

Now thats a fence. Ours with Mexico will probably have turnstiles.


14 posted on 06/27/2007 8:13:50 AM PDT by Leg Olam
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To: NordP
Good one, Nord! Jackass Chertoff tried to sell the American people the snakeoil that the U.S. cannot figure out how to build a fence between Tijuana and San Diego. He's been laughed off the public stage for the fool and con artist that he is--and George Bush with him! You too--Tony Snow!

Maybe India can build the Mexican Border fence where the nation that built the Panama Canal and the Hoover Dam, created air planes, conquered polio, and placed a man on the moon cannot.

It's not a lack of nowhow that has paralysed the U.S.A. It's DECADENCE--the LEFT! That and electing fools to public office--fools like George Bush! Lindsey Graham! Trent Lott! And let's not start on the Democrats--Diane Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, John Kerry, the Clintons, John Edwards--the list goes on and on and on! There's not enough bandwidth for the Democrats!

If the U.S.A. is to survive the Decadence that threatens our survival, we must render the Left impotent and kick these Decadent jackasses out of public office--every damn one of them--Republican, Democrat, who cares! Throw them ALL out!

They should be jailed for what they've done to our nation!

And for what they are trying NOW to do!

15 posted on 06/27/2007 8:17:15 AM PDT by Savage Beast (If you think like the Roman Empire you'll act like the Roman Empire--and fall like the Roman Empire!)
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To: MeanWestTexan

I’ve worked on several outsourcing projects, the difference in cost of labor is not as extreme as this example (not nearly), albeit my experience is in a much more skilled industry than fence building.

Hey, if we’re going to allocate H2B visas, might as well use them in a productive manner.


16 posted on 06/27/2007 8:17:21 AM PDT by Deut28 (Cursed be he who perverts the justice)
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To: Travis McGee; Czar; stephenjohnbanker; Do Be

I think we need to hire these folks to supervise construction of our much needed fence. They knew where to locate the will to build a fence, something our professionals cannot do.


17 posted on 06/27/2007 8:21:58 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Check out this website for the National Veterans Coalition http://www.nvets.org/)
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To: voletti
This ought to be interesting. Unlike the US-Mexico border, which is clearly defined, the India-Bangladesh border is not a single line.

There are about 92 Bangladeshi enclaves (pieces of Bangladesh territory completely surrounded by Indian territory) on the Indian side of the line and about 106 Indian enclaves on the Bangladeshi side of the border.

See this map:

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18 posted on 06/27/2007 8:49:29 AM PDT by GreenLanternCorps (Thompson for President: 2008, 2012: Jindal for President 2016, 2020)
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To: voletti

In some cases, on the above map, you have Bangladesh territory, which is surrounded by Indian territory, which is surrounded by Bangladesh Territory...


19 posted on 06/27/2007 8:51:37 AM PDT by GreenLanternCorps (Thompson for President: 2008, 2012: Jindal for President 2016, 2020)
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To: B4Ranch

Not a bad idea : )


20 posted on 06/27/2007 10:26:16 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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