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Ghost Cities Of 2100
Forbes ^ | 11 June 2007 | Elisabeth Eaves

Posted on 06/22/2007 12:18:28 AM PDT by Lorianne

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To: fieldmarshaldj

While it is true that Newark occassionally elected “progressive” Republican mayors until the early 1950s, the East Ward (where my father is from) has been a den of corrupt ethnic politics since the 19th century. Its the nabe that gave us Hugh Addonizzio (remember who ran Newark in the 1950s-1970? Mayor Addonizzio’s Friends In Action!), and, more recently, James croney Augie Amador.


41 posted on 06/25/2007 6:49:08 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: Lorianne
Small towns are dwindling all across the great plains region too. There’s just no jobs there. People flock to the suburbs of big cities. No one want’s to live in a big city, but they all want to work in a big city...that’s where the money is made.

As long as we continue to outsource jobs and manufacturing, we are going to have these problems.

42 posted on 06/25/2007 6:58:37 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: paul51
"I think Buffalo could be a candidate."

Interesting. I'm not an upstate NY'er or anything.....I live in NC......but the last time I was in Buffalo was a little over 7 years ago. What I saw was a very pretty, obviously upgraded downtown that was damned near totally empty.

It was downright eerie.

All these buildings.....clean.......neat.......obvious that a lot of time and money had been expended to clean up the city center, etc.....and just no one around. It was like walking around a ghost town.

43 posted on 06/25/2007 7:01:08 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

“I’m curious to see how NYC ends up in the Geologic record.”

Stephen Vincent Benet made a guess in 1937 - “By the Waters of Babylon”

http://www.snian.com/crazyray/wikinotes/english/shortstories/babylon.htm


44 posted on 06/25/2007 7:12:09 PM PDT by decal (Sign over DNC headquarters: Please Check Common Sense And Morals At The Door)
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To: Lorianne
Detroit's population has fallen by around a third since 1950 and now equals about 950,000.

It's fallen by half.

45 posted on 06/25/2007 7:15:07 PM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: Clemenza

True, and of course, James isn’t entirely gone, still keeping his little Senate seat, too. Only in New Jersey will a major city Mayor be allowed to serve simultaneously in the legislature. When are they ever going to outlaw that sort of double-dipping ?

I was looking up, too, that Peter Rodino’s predecessor was the great Republican Fred Hartley (of Taft-Hartley), although he was from Kearny. How’s Kearny doing these days ? Only got to see bits and pieces of it from Sopranos eps.


46 posted on 06/25/2007 7:18:33 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: RightOnline

Sounds like Buffalo needs residents downtown. They can spend all that money spiffing up the place, but without downtown residents, the place will be dead after 5 or 6pm.


47 posted on 06/25/2007 7:20:13 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: NaughtiusMaximus; Jim Robinson
Type “The fabulous ruins of Detroit” into your search engine.

Nice way to direct people to a neo-Nazi white nationalist site without volunteering the url. I have a feeling that links to that site aren't really appreciated here.

48 posted on 06/25/2007 7:25:45 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: darkangel82

Add Buffalo and Niagara falls, NY to the list. If it wasn’t for the Seneca Indians (casinos) and the government offices there would be nothing there there.

Population lost since 1930 - greatest loss since 1950 or so: over 50%

Buffalo’s past glory

http://ah.bfn.org/


49 posted on 06/25/2007 7:41:53 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: Lorianne; SunkenCiv
It's believed that Moenjodaro had already fallen into economic decline when an invading army attacked, delivering the sudden fatal blow. Moenjodaro never rose again, and the Indus Valley civilization that it dominated soon disappeared too.
Mohenjo-Daro suffered from a two-fold problem of too much success with too little change. By the time the Aryans fell upon the Indus Valley, its people had already abandoned the cities. While the proximate cause was some geological/climate change, the real cause of the Indus Valley disappearance was its own incredible stability.

This civilization had so carefully controlled its own ecological and human environment that when an unexpected variable arrived it could not adapt. Order is an admirable trait of civilization; too much order is not. If this view of the Indus Valley is correct (Mohenjo-Daro being one of its largest cities), it really was early communism. Centralization and enforced sameness yielded excellent results for a time. (Same thing in ancient Egypt). Like the Soviet Union and the Old Kingdom of Egypt, the Indus Valley Civilization died of its own success.**

Whatever lesson the Forbes Mag author wishes to impart regarding Mohenjo-Daro, it ought to be built around the value for cities and civilizations of innovation, change, and adaptability.

Those who can move win.

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** An alternate view of the Indus Valley is that it was an incredibly innovative society. Its ability to control an unruly river and climate was unique (being one of only four early civilizations), and the depth and breadth of its trade systems is stunning. Perhaps the climate catostrophes of 2400 BC hit Indus too -- in which case we can imagine that the Indus peoples managed it better than others, pushing through it for a few more hundred years, until around 1900 b.c. when their cities were abandoned.

50 posted on 06/25/2007 7:45:49 PM PDT by nicollo (all economic are politics)
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To: paul51

Syracuse NY has gone from being a beautiful metropolitan area with all kinds of industry to a hollow shell of itself. Jobs are fast disappearing, the downtown will never be the same (had beautiful department stores back in the 50’s and they’re all gone). Too bad...


51 posted on 06/25/2007 7:48:51 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: kms61
Don't worry,when the North American union is finished they will drain the Great Lakes to give water to the new Mexico territories
52 posted on 06/25/2007 7:54:38 PM PDT by ears_to_hear (Pray for America)
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To: Lorianne
San Francisco is also one of the fastest-shrinking cities in California, part of an overall population shift away from the expensive and geographically hazardous coast toward inland cities. A major disaster could accelerate that trend.

In the U.S., towns in Kansas and the Dakotas face extinction mainly because of an exodus of young people.

There's something inconsistent about this. How many "young people" end up moving to larger cities (like SF and NY)? Something is rather amiss with these two statements.

Rising sea levels threaten cities around the world

I see someone at Forbes watched "An Inconvenient Truth" a few times too many.

53 posted on 06/25/2007 8:01:30 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (FReepmail me to join the FR Idaho Ping List.)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
I’m curious to see how NYC ends up in the Geologic record.

Timeline: The Fall Of New York

54 posted on 06/25/2007 8:09:11 PM PDT by kanawa (Don't go where you're looking, look where you're going.)
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To: Lorianne

Well that was kind of interesting until they went off on the “rising oceans threaten quaint third-world city” line.


55 posted on 06/25/2007 8:11:28 PM PDT by Shion (Hunter 2008! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
Type “The fabulous ruins of Detroit” into your search engine. It’s a most interesting photographic tour of a veritable lost world.

Sad. The Cadillac Clark Street facility is one of the lost landmarks that is not listed in the "Industrial ruins" section. I used to work across the street at the Scotten Vehicle Engineering facility. Walking through the abandoned assembly plant was spooky even in broad daylight. I can imagine a good novel or horror movie set there.

56 posted on 06/25/2007 8:19:57 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: steve86

Here is the “Fabulous ruins of Detroit” site:

http://www.detroityes.com

What does this have to do with some neo nazis?


57 posted on 06/25/2007 8:22:56 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Kearny's OK. Northern half of town is very suburban. The part that borders Harrison/Newark is industrial and urbanized.

At one time, Kearny was one of the most Scottish towns in the US. There are still two Chippers and three Scottish pubs in town, although you hear alot more Portuguese than Gaelic, especially in the southern part fo twon.

58 posted on 06/25/2007 8:24:02 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: Alouette

That is not the site to which I am referring.


59 posted on 06/25/2007 8:29:34 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Clemenza

I didn’t know that about Kearny. My earliest Scottish ancestors in America came through North Carolina around 1800 (the last, my grandfather, settled in NYC in the 1920s). My ancestors that settled in New Jersey were all Germans, the earliest was not a settler per se, but part of the force of Prussian mercenaries hired by the Crown to keep the colonies in line. He’s darn lucky he survived when he did decide to stay (I’m not quite clear where he eventually settled, but I think it was in the vicinity of Burlington, where I had my Grand Aunts, likely his GG granddaughters, living as recently as the past 20 years). Burlington is also where my Grandmother & Scottish Grandfather are buried.


60 posted on 06/25/2007 8:37:14 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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