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To: meandog

“Treat with respect and kindness with a firm, trained hand and you’ll have the kind of best friend that will willingly lay down its life for you and your family.”

Many bird dogs have webbed feet, love water, and point by instinct. This was bred into them. Breeders did the same thing with pit fighting dogs. Their instincts are to be aggressive, fight, and kill.


50 posted on 05/02/2007 1:31:22 PM PDT by mutantcoil
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To: mutantcoil
That's an interesting counter argument that I have read on these threads before. I have a Golden Retriever that will fetch a tennis ball all day long. That is because she is a retriever. Nobody would suggest that she only chases the ball because I trained her to (I didn't).

Pit Bull lovers, on the other hand, like to insist that nothing a Pit Bull does it by instinct. It's always because they were trained into aggression by their owners. B.S.

54 posted on 05/02/2007 2:13:02 PM PDT by T.Smith
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To: mutantcoil
Many bird dogs have webbed feet, love water, and point by instinct. This was bred into them. Breeders did the same thing with pit fighting dogs. Their instincts are to be aggressive, fight, and kill.

Look, I'm not going to try to tell you that there are not "red zone" dogs in the so-called "pitbull" breed. As with humans, the canine species can have a few Cho Sieug Huis among its kind. These must be euthanized.
But so-called pitbulls have gotten a bad rap because of the type of breeders you describe...mainly, these backyard (gang members, doper and dogfighting) POS's have looked for dogs who have been successful in the pit and have inbred them back to their mothers, sisters and daughters. The result is a nasty animal that is extremely violent and dangerous.

My argument is simply that ALL pitbulls are not red zone dogs. As I have said, I have had four in my lifetime. My current dogs are a Labrador Retriever, a Chesapeake Bay Retriever and a Chow mix. They are all neutered and spayed--which my so-called pitbulls were--because they are not show or field trial quality. They are simply pets. I do not own pitbulls today because basically I don't have the time that it takes to train one as it should be trained (a pitbull needs an e-collar, a training collar, constant supervision and a lot of patience). but, if I did have the time, I would own one again.
Before buy one, though, I would research its pedigree to ensure there were no ring fighters and neuter or spay it if it wasn't show quality.

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on this...but I'll give you this much. Many of the so-called pitbull owners I have met in my lifetime shouldn't own one. I had a friend who had an Amstaff that I begged him to let me train or have put down as he was neglecting a proper regimen. He wouldn't listen to me. The result was 176 stitches in his next-door neighbor.

61 posted on 05/02/2007 2:42:23 PM PDT by meandog (But)
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