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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?

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To: veronica

“It’s interesting that Poppy Bush introduced Rudy at an event at this juncture.”

“poppy” bush?

You mean the man who lost the election in 1992 because he abandoned conservatives?

641 posted on 04/21/2007 9:19:26 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Strategerist
“....Main Entry: so·cial·ism
Pronunciation: ‘sO-sh&-”li-z&m
Function: noun
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which....”

Thank you!!

642 posted on 04/21/2007 9:19:57 PM PDT by KATIE-O (Rudy Giuliani - '08 (But Only If We Want To Win!))
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To: woofie; jimrob
>>>>>> and I guess you are the arbiter for who is and is not conservative?

Jim Robinson is the arbiter on Free Republic, as to exactly who is a conservative and who isn't a conservative. Jim`s laid down the law and I support his decision. Wouldn't have remained an active member of FR for pushing eight years now, if I didn't support Jim`s standard rules and regulations. Guidleines that are in keeping with the conservative agenda. Pretty simple stuff btw. You've seen it before.

"As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc. We also oppose the United Nations or any other world government body that may attempt to impose its will or rule over our sovereign nation and sovereign people. We believe in defending our borders, our constitution and our national sovereignty.

I see nothing in that excellent conservative rant by Jim, which can be confused with the liberalism of Rudy Giuliani. Many longtime FReepers have been banned in recent days and weeks, for bashing cosnervative candidates and promoting the liberal abortionist Rudy Giuliani. My guess is, there will be more to come.

643 posted on 04/21/2007 9:20:02 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Beagle8U

644 posted on 04/21/2007 9:20:21 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: stephenjohnbanker
“The illegal alien problem was no where near as bad under Reagan”

It was a drop in the bucket. Reagan had no way of knowing that all of the constraints in the bill would be ignored.

Everyone knows this or should. It's a sham to even bring up this 22 year old decision.

Those that repeatedly bring this into the current political debate do so in an attempt to defend or justify those that continue to pander to this ever escalating problem.

645 posted on 04/21/2007 9:20:26 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Peach

Where is the big (at least bigger) tent?

646 posted on 04/21/2007 9:20:28 PM PDT by woofie
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To: CharlesWayneCT; Jim Robinson
In my opinion, the rudy people were looking for something to pick them up. They are tired of losing every argument here, tired of not being able to defend their candidate to conservatives, and afraid that if they keep losing it will catch on.

The fact is, Rudy is doing more than his fair share to torpedo his own campaign than any of the numnutz here on FR who seem to think he is a latter day 'Mr Republican'. Rudy IS indefensible, and he is indefensible in most cases by a simple citation of his own past words and deeds. I mean, how damning is it when your own MOTHER states that you (meaning Rudy) "isn't a conservative Republican, he thinks he is, but he's not"? And goes on to say that Rudy only became a Republican "after he started getting all those jobs from them". For the dedicated RudyBot, that's a steep grade to climb.

It looks like some of them were chosen to be “sacrificial lambs”, to say things to get banned so they might gain sympathy, or at least to go off and claim that conservatives can’t win the argument against them and so we banned them.

I'm not sure if it's anything that grandiose, most of the RudyBot tactics consist of repetition, posting and re-posting the same blah-blah-blah all the time, always the 'ORCSUFH' (Only Rudy Can Save Us From Hillary) garbage, and when Rudy's moral character is challenged (3 marriages, 1 to his cousin), the standard response is to say "well, Ronald Reagan was divorced", as if there is some sort of moral parallel between our highly principled 40th President, and a former mayor of New York City who believed so much in the institution of marriage, that he kept working on it until 'third time's the charm'. The RudyBot strategy is generally to subtly (or not-so-subtly) trash REAL conservatives in order to build up their boy, and that is a losing strategy to be sure. I think the recent spraying of FR for RudyPests and RINOS demonstrates that the R-bots finally reached the saturation point and JimRob said 'this far and no further'.

I don’t know how to explain attacking the honor of Jim Robinson, telling the pro-life conservatives here that they will be responsible for the death of babies if they don’t pick a pro-abortion candidate, or arguing that the Republican Party should be led by a trained monkey so long as it means Hillary isn’t president.

It is spelled desperation. The RudyBots know their candidate is in serious trouble, that is why they are so eager to post ANY polling data that puts their guy in a good light, when they KNOW that polling data 18 months away from the general election is absolutely meaningless.
If FR was a lumber yard instead of a website, JimRob would be up to his armpits in termites by now, and thank God he's doing something about it. If the GOP did nominate that Stealth 'Rat Rudy, I think I'd be inclined to write in JimRob's name on my ballot.
647 posted on 04/21/2007 9:20:34 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Good post

648 posted on 04/21/2007 9:20:47 PM PDT by Uncledave
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To: rockrr

I appreciate your kind advice. I mean that.

However, my tolerance level has been severely strained since the evening Rudy supporters were called treasonous liberals; hence the provocative tone.

Words have meaning and when management and others choose to call Rudy supporters treasonous, what do we call the Jane Fonda’s of the world?

649 posted on 04/21/2007 9:20:57 PM PDT by Peach
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To: stephenjohnbanker

BUMP to you SJB! Looking forward to chattin’ with you soon.

650 posted on 04/21/2007 9:21:06 PM PDT by laurenmarlowe
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To: Peach
>>>>>That’s such BS I don’t have words for it.

In your book, I don't doubt that is what you believe.

But in my book, you're still no conservative.

651 posted on 04/21/2007 9:21:34 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: veronica

“It’s interesting that Poppy Bush introduced Rudy at an event at this juncture. Says something about how the Bush family views Rudy, I think...”

It probably says more about the Bush family than it does about Rudi. Bush41?...and you’re surprised?

652 posted on 04/21/2007 9:21:37 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Message to radical jihadis...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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To: dalereed

That would be GREAT if Rudy won the Democrat nomination.

Good suggestion, Dale

653 posted on 04/21/2007 9:22:06 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Paperdoll

Most of them were sickened by Keyes’ support of reparations.

654 posted on 04/21/2007 9:22:12 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a democrat with an energized opposition than a leftist “Republican” with no opposition.)
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To: flashbunny
You mean the man who lost the election in 1992 because he abandoned conservatives?

No. I mean the good man who lost the election because some idiots voted 3rd party - and so a Clinton was elected. Sound familiar?????

655 posted on 04/21/2007 9:22:23 PM PDT by veronica
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To: dragnet2



656 posted on 04/21/2007 9:22:32 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: mkjessup

By the way I dont think Lesbian couples parading around turkey baster kids are cute, like Rudy does.! Sorry...lets continue....

657 posted on 04/21/2007 9:22:48 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball
I miss George Allen.

Why? He was no Reagan. He was a doofus jock fratboy type who proved he does not have the mettle under real campaign pressure. He was not a deep thinker as Reagan was.

658 posted on 04/21/2007 9:23:07 PM PDT by montag813
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To: FreeReign

Hmmmm - that’s interesting. I’d hate to see Republicans fall for that old trick, but it’s likely they would.

I’m rather hoping that it’s such a cat fight with Kerry thinking about entering the race again and Gore making noise, that the Democrats so beat each other up that they all look dirty to even their own party. Although the Democrats are known to stick with party no matter what.

659 posted on 04/21/2007 9:23:09 PM PDT by Peach
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To: veronica
anti-Rudy crowd will have to suck it up

The pro-rudy posters are getting creamed in the debate of ideas, philosophy, constitution, and what is right for the country.

So they attack other candidates for having traits similar to their own candidate, they multi-post articles with their own peculiar excerpts to spin for Rudy, and then ignore negative comments and move on to the next thread.

Most pro-rudy threads end because someone posts rebuttals to the actual facts in the posted article, and the pro-rudy people move on. Before that, the pro-rudy people post anti-rudy comments in order to complain about how the anti-rudy people will show up eventually and make those comments.

The pro-rudy people have been trolling to try to get banned for a week now. Time and again they post "will we still be able to post", or "I hear there's a purge and we'll get banned".

When that didn't work, some of them made false claims against conservatives, some so bad they had to ask for them to be deleted themselves. And a few did get banned for that.

So now they can run around claiming they are being silenced because the anti-rudy people have no "answer" to their reasoning, something that is clearly delusional if you actually read the pro-rudy threads.

660 posted on 04/21/2007 9:23:34 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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