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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Peach
On social issues, Rudy is liberal. On everything else, he’s a conservative.

My right to self-defense is NOT a social issue. See the Bill of Rights.

Expecting a well protected border from illegal invasion is NOT a social issue. See Preamble of the Constituion.

1,401 posted on 04/22/2007 12:28:58 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: Peach

Debunking means proving the statements false, not making other statements about other facts that don’t refute the facts presented.


1,402 posted on 04/22/2007 12:29:18 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Jim Robinson
I will support the Republican nominee....period.

With the democrats swinging to the moonbat realm and a sizable chunk of the country following them, I can't afford to be ideologically "pure". If Rudy gets the nod I won't like it but I won't sit out the election or vote 3rd party.

1,403 posted on 04/22/2007 12:29:18 AM PDT by jess35
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim,

I hope most folks remember this:

“We got Bush as the nominee in 2000 because he was the “anointed one.” He was selected by the PTB (whoever the hell they are) and proclaimed “frontrunner” and de facto nominee by the media and all pundits before anyone else could even get out of the starting gates. He was ramrodded through over the objections from the grassroots.”

I know some will argue with you, but that is what happened. I hope it doesn’t happen again.


1,404 posted on 04/22/2007 12:29:33 AM PDT by OwenKellogg
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To: flashbunny
Are you trying to get me banned” act.

You brought that up, dimbulb, not me.

You really sound like the VICTIM here, FB.

1,405 posted on 04/22/2007 12:29:56 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I don&t know about YOU, but I am all for a mandatory 30-day waiting period prior to buying a Wal-Mart....


1,406 posted on 04/22/2007 12:30:00 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (The only think I don't like about FR is these darned tag lines!)
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To: Rodney King
Rudy is a flawed character that the MSM will ignore until the home stretch. Rudy will think things are a cake walk. Then they will attack him without mercy in the final weeks before the election. Rudy will not know what hit him. The conservative electorate will be so turned off, they will not go to the polls. The grass roots, the legs of the campaign, will not man the telephone banks, walk the precincts, or wave the signs. Any effort to rehabilitate the campaign by going to the airwaves will be a futile waste of money. Rudy will go down in flames and the DemonRATs know it. They know just the tactics to take him down.
1,407 posted on 04/22/2007 12:30:08 AM PDT by jonrick46
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To: Peach

Whoops! Those GDP figures should be in billions of dollars (not millions) and you’re welcome!


1,408 posted on 04/22/2007 12:30:18 AM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: Spiff
Benedict Arnold won several battles and received many medals and commendations. And then...

So now supporting anyone other than whoever your personal choice is for the GOP is traitorous? I have reiterated repeatedly here that I will vote for whoever the Republican nominee is in the general election (with the exception of Pat Robertson or any other TV preacher).

In the primaries, though, I'm voting for Giuliani (though since I'm in Hawaii and our primary is very late it really won't matter). I'm not going to try to denigrate whoever that person turns out to be. But if you can't convince the majority of Republicans to vote for your favorite at the primary level, how the heck do you ever expect to attract more votes in the general election?

If that makes me a traitor, then I guess 90% of the public is likely traitorous, since they don't agree with you.

1,409 posted on 04/22/2007 12:31:02 AM PDT by Spyder (The "Hate Giuliani Syndrome." Like Bush Delusional Syndrome, a cure is yet to be found.)
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To: blasater1960
But, we dont have to have Hillary-Carter to destroy OUR nation while we wait.

Thank you! I honestly believe that a Hillary Clinton presidency could push up into civil war.

1,410 posted on 04/22/2007 12:31:02 AM PDT by Marie (Unintended consequences.)
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To: AntiGuv

I figured. If you’re like me, the contacts are out by now and we’re posting the best we can :-)


1,411 posted on 04/22/2007 12:31:15 AM PDT by Peach
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To: flashbunny
Ah, I forgot, you seem to think you speak for the board.

Oh, come on; everybody knows that's your job.

1,412 posted on 04/22/2007 12:31:18 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Just sayin
Hunter can't win. He barely registers in the polls, has little name recognition, no money and no charisma. I understood that about Hunter before I read anything the media said about him. BTW, The media has little bearing on my vote.

Therefore, I would not be voting for my values should I choose to vote for him. I'd be voting for a man sharing my values who can't win.

"Maybe your predominant value is winning?

My prediminant value is having my values promoted by the people in office. Winning is very important in that regard.

In this particular Presidential race, voting for a Liberal who has a chance to win is as bad as voting for a conservative who has NO chance to win. Neither vote does a thing to advance the conservative values I espouse.

1,413 posted on 04/22/2007 12:31:27 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Guiliani is a Democrat in Repblican drag!)
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To: M. Thatcher

No, it’s what the whole lot of you are saying. Anyone who doesn’t get behind Rudy is not only betraying the Republican party, but we’re throwing the election to Hillary because Rudy is the ONLY one who can beat her, and we’re also losing the WOT because Rudy is the ONLY person who can win it. So just forget about all the conservative causes we’ve been fighting for for decades and get in line behind the liberal. Learn to love abortion, the gay agenda, willingly give up your guns, welcome the illegal alien and suck it all up like a good little Republican.

Pullleeeze.


1,414 posted on 04/22/2007 12:31:58 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Elyse

You’re paranoid. You may need somebody to run interference for you, but I sure don’t.


1,415 posted on 04/22/2007 12:32:01 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: flashbunny; TAdams8591; Jim Robinson
I’m going to bed. But I hope everyone has learned a lessen tonight...

You don’t pull on Superman’s cape.

You don’t spit into the wind.

You don’t pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger...

And you don’t mess a round with JIM!

1,416 posted on 04/22/2007 12:32:14 AM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: Rodney King
"You made the point that he was pro-abortion when he was Governor of CA."

And you're just gonna accept that as a fact?

Even though it's been refuted at least dozens of times???

Reagan was NOT pro abortion then, or ever!

:O)

P

Run, FRED, run!

1,417 posted on 04/22/2007 12:32:29 AM PDT by papasmurf (Name me one nation that taxed itself into prosperity. Run, FRED, run!)
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To: calcowgirl

“AC—I dug up some of the original quotes by Reagan at the time the abortion bill passed in 1967 when he was governor of California. He was anything but liberal. Unfortunately, the law was interpreted over time much more liberally than it was intended. See my post for some of his quotes:”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1818293/posts?page=114#114

Very cool, thanks


1,418 posted on 04/22/2007 12:32:33 AM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“what is Rudy’s position on Wal Mart?”

lmao. That’s good enough to hit the sheets on. Besides I’m sure he’d leave it up to the states.


1,419 posted on 04/22/2007 12:32:40 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Message to radical jihadis...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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To: Rodney King
When did Giuliani become pro-life?

I think it was about the same time he announced his presidential exploratory committee.

1,420 posted on 04/22/2007 12:33:05 AM PDT by politicalwit (Family values don't stop at the border...but Federal laws do.)
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To: Jim Robinson; M. Thatcher

I’m not saying that. M. Thatcher isn’t saying that. So I guess the “whole lot” of us aren’t saying that.


1,421 posted on 04/22/2007 12:33:11 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Rodney King

Oh, FGS, twice in 43 years?


1,422 posted on 04/22/2007 12:33:12 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Howlin
That’s the dumbest post I’ve ever seen on FR.

I've seen dumber posts.

1,423 posted on 04/22/2007 12:33:44 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Howlin
Oh, FGS, twice in 43 years?

I mentioned to prominent cases where when the conservative won a heated primary, the moderates left the party and supported the dems or ran a third party candidate.

How many times, when the moderates won a heated primary, have conservatives supported the dems or ran as a third party? If there are any, please let me know... honestly, there might be some, they are just not registering with me now. (Naming one freeper doesn't count, we are talking about the power to shift an election).

1,424 posted on 04/22/2007 12:35:30 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Peach

That’s just more lying crap. Rudy says that abortion is a constitutional right. Just last week Rudy said that since it’s a constitutional right then the taxpayers should fund abortions for poor women. Give us a break from the lies will ya? He’s a fricken socialist liberal.


1,425 posted on 04/22/2007 12:36:11 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
No, it’s what the whole lot of you are saying. Anyone who doesn’t get behind Rudy is not only betraying the Republican party, but we’re throwing the election to Hillary because Rudy is the ONLY one who can beat her, and we’re also losing the WOT because Rudy is the ONLY person who can win it. So just forget about all the conservative causes we’ve been fighting for for decades and get in line behind the liberal. Learn to love abortion, the gay agenda, willingly give up your guns, welcome the illegal alien and suck it all up like a good little Republican. Pullleeeze.

Please post the link in which I said any such thing.

Pullleeeze yourself.

1,426 posted on 04/22/2007 12:36:12 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Spiff

FGS, I bet you’re the nerd that people get by pointing to your stomach and then, when you look down, zinging your nose.

Simpleton.


1,427 posted on 04/22/2007 12:36:13 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Peach

Yep, I’d be in bed too by now but I can’t stop gawking at this trainwreck of a thread..


1,428 posted on 04/22/2007 12:36:40 AM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: Peach
It’s most interesting to me that there are freepers who have said they will vote for Hillary before they vote for Rudy.

please, since you are not a liar, provide a link to somewhere on this thread anybody said they would vote for Hillary over Rudy. Or anywhere else, since this time your claim seemed more open.

1,429 posted on 04/22/2007 12:36:46 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Central Scrutiniser
"After reading this thread, all I see is a circular firing squad and Hillary as president."

Most intelligent comment I've read tonight.

1,430 posted on 04/22/2007 12:36:55 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: Peach
"and pro choice to pro life,"

Show us a resource for your constant claims that Reagan was pro-choice.

:O)

P

Run, FRED, run!

1,431 posted on 04/22/2007 12:37:09 AM PDT by papasmurf (Name me one nation that taxed itself into prosperity. Run, FRED, run!)
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To: Rodney King

Right; and if I cared to, I could name more than a few times the “real true” conservatives have screwed the GOP.


1,432 posted on 04/22/2007 12:37:32 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: AntiGuv

LOL.


1,433 posted on 04/22/2007 12:38:05 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Blackirish

See post 1033, where Rudy, after being endorsed by Forbes, discounts the flat tax.


1,434 posted on 04/22/2007 12:38:14 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Blackirish

See post 1033


1,435 posted on 04/22/2007 12:38:38 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

” I’m sorry, but I am unimpressed.”

However, I am impressed with your post...


1,436 posted on 04/22/2007 12:38:53 AM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: Jim Robinson

How is it you are able to maintain a policy of no personal attacks when you talk like that?

And what I said is true. Rudy is moderating his policy on abortion and has talked about state’s right. That’s not a lie and you sound foolish when you state it is a lie.


1,437 posted on 04/22/2007 12:39:01 AM PDT by Peach
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To: AntiGuv

Oh yeah. It’s a total meltdown.


1,438 posted on 04/22/2007 12:39:44 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Jim Robinson
That’s just more lying crap. Rudy says that abortion is a constitutional right.


"BUT THAT'S OLD!"

Just last week Rudy said that since it’s a constitutional right then the taxpayers should fund abortions for poor women.


1,439 posted on 04/22/2007 12:41:28 AM PDT by NapkinUser (Rudy Giuliani gets his salsa from New York City.)
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To: babygene

LOL! Good one. Especially lately! : )


1,440 posted on 04/22/2007 12:41:30 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Guiliani is a Democrat in Repblican drag!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I know you have reading comprehension problems, but there's a freeper who pinged you that they would rather have Hillary as president. Post #1247. They said they'd rather have Hillary as president, although they wouldn't vote for her.
1,441 posted on 04/22/2007 12:41:40 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
Bye Bye Peach... It hasn’t been that good to know ya.
1,442 posted on 04/22/2007 12:41:41 AM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Here's one way back in Feb:

If nominated, Giuliani must be defeated, if only to remind the Republican Party that the sanctity of life remains an important issue for at least part of its base. If he's nominated by the Republicans, I'll vote for the democrat.
63 posted on 02/06/2007 6:31:54 PM CST by Godwin1 *

1,443 posted on 04/22/2007 12:42:09 AM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: Howlin
Right; and if I cared to, I could name more than a few times the “real true” conservatives have screwed the GOP.

Please do, I really can't think of any. I will gladly acknowledge them if you point them out. (And as I said, 4 or 5 FReepers voting for the consitution party doesn't count).

1,444 posted on 04/22/2007 12:43:29 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: babygene

Let me know when you get appointed manager of the web site and given the ability to make those decisions. And since “fricken” is now accepted language on this site, mind your own fricken business.


1,445 posted on 04/22/2007 12:43:37 AM PDT by Peach
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To: infidel29

I believe that if Rudy is our candidate, some strong conservatives will stay home, while some left-leaning independents will come to vote for Rudy.

So rudy might win, but those independents will vote democrat down-ticket, and our best conservative congressmen will be defeated. Rudy will have coattails for people who think like him, pro-abortion, gun control, gay unions, global warming, etc. That’s primarily democrats.

If we ran John Edwards, we’d beat Hillary.


1,446 posted on 04/22/2007 12:44:32 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Rex Anderson

Thanks for finding that.

One guy actually told me if Rudy is the nominee, he’ll write a check to Hillary and post the endorsed check on FR.

Yup. Sounds exactly like a Republican to me. /s


1,447 posted on 04/22/2007 12:44:39 AM PDT by Peach
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To: flashbunny
I hope you're out looking for a post that backs this up:

Like the time you insinuated that I was on drugs and gay because I dared disagree with the mier’s pick.

I'm gonna need a link from you to back that up.

And I'll be waiting for it tomorrow if you don't get it up tonight.

1,448 posted on 04/22/2007 12:44:40 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: M. Thatcher

Ok, I’ll play. Please explain in your own words why we conservatives should overlook “abortion is a constitutional right,” “taxpayers should fund abortions for poor women,” “I understand the second amendment, but I’m coming for the guns anyway,” “we should respect the rights of gays,” “I believe in homosexual unions (marriage),” etc, etc, etc. Oh yeah, and please explain that sanctuary city deal for illegal aliens that Mayor Giuliani set up in NYC.

Why would we want such a liberal person to be our president?


1,449 posted on 04/22/2007 12:44:48 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Peach

gotta link?


1,450 posted on 04/22/2007 12:45:28 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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