Skip to comments.Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.
One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to rule over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.
All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.
FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?
Do you really expect me to do that?
My right to self-defense is NOT a social issue. See the Bill of Rights.
Expecting a well protected border from illegal invasion is NOT a social issue. See Preamble of the Constituion.
Debunking means proving the statements false, not making other statements about other facts that don’t refute the facts presented.
With the democrats swinging to the moonbat realm and a sizable chunk of the country following them, I can't afford to be ideologically "pure". If Rudy gets the nod I won't like it but I won't sit out the election or vote 3rd party.
I hope most folks remember this:
“We got Bush as the nominee in 2000 because he was the “anointed one.” He was selected by the PTB (whoever the hell they are) and proclaimed frontrunner and de facto nominee by the media and all pundits before anyone else could even get out of the starting gates. He was ramrodded through over the objections from the grassroots.”
I know some will argue with you, but that is what happened. I hope it doesn’t happen again.
You brought that up, dimbulb, not me.
You really sound like the VICTIM here, FB.
I don&t know about YOU, but I am all for a mandatory 30-day waiting period prior to buying a Wal-Mart....
Whoops! Those GDP figures should be in billions of dollars (not millions) and you’re welcome!
So now supporting anyone other than whoever your personal choice is for the GOP is traitorous? I have reiterated repeatedly here that I will vote for whoever the Republican nominee is in the general election (with the exception of Pat Robertson or any other TV preacher).
In the primaries, though, I'm voting for Giuliani (though since I'm in Hawaii and our primary is very late it really won't matter). I'm not going to try to denigrate whoever that person turns out to be. But if you can't convince the majority of Republicans to vote for your favorite at the primary level, how the heck do you ever expect to attract more votes in the general election?
If that makes me a traitor, then I guess 90% of the public is likely traitorous, since they don't agree with you.
Thank you! I honestly believe that a Hillary Clinton presidency could push up into civil war.
I figured. If you’re like me, the contacts are out by now and we’re posting the best we can :-)
Oh, come on; everybody knows that's your job.
Therefore, I would not be voting for my values should I choose to vote for him. I'd be voting for a man sharing my values who can't win.
"Maybe your predominant value is winning?
My prediminant value is having my values promoted by the people in office. Winning is very important in that regard.
In this particular Presidential race, voting for a Liberal who has a chance to win is as bad as voting for a conservative who has NO chance to win. Neither vote does a thing to advance the conservative values I espouse.
No, it’s what the whole lot of you are saying. Anyone who doesn’t get behind Rudy is not only betraying the Republican party, but we’re throwing the election to Hillary because Rudy is the ONLY one who can beat her, and we’re also losing the WOT because Rudy is the ONLY person who can win it. So just forget about all the conservative causes we’ve been fighting for for decades and get in line behind the liberal. Learn to love abortion, the gay agenda, willingly give up your guns, welcome the illegal alien and suck it all up like a good little Republican.
You’re paranoid. You may need somebody to run interference for you, but I sure don’t.
You don’t pull on Superman’s cape.
You don’t spit into the wind.
You don’t pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger...
And you don’t mess a round with JIM!
“ACI dug up some of the original quotes by Reagan at the time the abortion bill passed in 1967 when he was governor of California. He was anything but liberal. Unfortunately, the law was interpreted over time much more liberally than it was intended. See my post for some of his quotes:”
Very cool, thanks
“what is Rudy’s position on Wal Mart?”
lmao. That’s good enough to hit the sheets on. Besides I’m sure he’d leave it up to the states.
I think it was about the same time he announced his presidential exploratory committee.
I’m not saying that. M. Thatcher isn’t saying that. So I guess the “whole lot” of us aren’t saying that.
Oh, FGS, twice in 43 years?
I've seen dumber posts.
I mentioned to prominent cases where when the conservative won a heated primary, the moderates left the party and supported the dems or ran a third party candidate.
How many times, when the moderates won a heated primary, have conservatives supported the dems or ran as a third party? If there are any, please let me know... honestly, there might be some, they are just not registering with me now. (Naming one freeper doesn't count, we are talking about the power to shift an election).
That’s just more lying crap. Rudy says that abortion is a constitutional right. Just last week Rudy said that since it’s a constitutional right then the taxpayers should fund abortions for poor women. Give us a break from the lies will ya? He’s a fricken socialist liberal.
Please post the link in which I said any such thing.
FGS, I bet you’re the nerd that people get by pointing to your stomach and then, when you look down, zinging your nose.
Yep, I’d be in bed too by now but I can’t stop gawking at this trainwreck of a thread..
please, since you are not a liar, provide a link to somewhere on this thread anybody said they would vote for Hillary over Rudy. Or anywhere else, since this time your claim seemed more open.
Most intelligent comment I've read tonight.
Right; and if I cared to, I could name more than a few times the “real true” conservatives have screwed the GOP.
See post 1033, where Rudy, after being endorsed by Forbes, discounts the flat tax.
See post 1033
” I’m sorry, but I am unimpressed.”
However, I am impressed with your post...
How is it you are able to maintain a policy of no personal attacks when you talk like that?
And what I said is true. Rudy is moderating his policy on abortion and has talked about state’s right. That’s not a lie and you sound foolish when you state it is a lie.
Oh yeah. It’s a total meltdown.
"BUT THAT'S OLD!"
Just last week Rudy said that since it’s a constitutional right then the taxpayers should fund abortions for poor women.
LOL! Good one. Especially lately! : )
If nominated, Giuliani must be defeated, if only to remind the Republican Party that the sanctity of life remains an important issue for at least part of its base. If he's nominated by the Republicans, I'll vote for the democrat.
63 posted on 02/06/2007 6:31:54 PM CST by Godwin1 *
Please do, I really can't think of any. I will gladly acknowledge them if you point them out. (And as I said, 4 or 5 FReepers voting for the consitution party doesn't count).
Let me know when you get appointed manager of the web site and given the ability to make those decisions. And since “fricken” is now accepted language on this site, mind your own fricken business.
I believe that if Rudy is our candidate, some strong conservatives will stay home, while some left-leaning independents will come to vote for Rudy.
So rudy might win, but those independents will vote democrat down-ticket, and our best conservative congressmen will be defeated. Rudy will have coattails for people who think like him, pro-abortion, gun control, gay unions, global warming, etc. That’s primarily democrats.
If we ran John Edwards, we’d beat Hillary.
Thanks for finding that.
One guy actually told me if Rudy is the nominee, he’ll write a check to Hillary and post the endorsed check on FR.
Yup. Sounds exactly like a Republican to me. /s
Like the time you insinuated that I was on drugs and gay because I dared disagree with the miers pick.
I'm gonna need a link from you to back that up.
And I'll be waiting for it tomorrow if you don't get it up tonight.
Ok, I’ll play. Please explain in your own words why we conservatives should overlook “abortion is a constitutional right,” “taxpayers should fund abortions for poor women,” “I understand the second amendment, but I’m coming for the guns anyway,” “we should respect the rights of gays,” “I believe in homosexual unions (marriage),” etc, etc, etc. Oh yeah, and please explain that sanctuary city deal for illegal aliens that Mayor Giuliani set up in NYC.
Why would we want such a liberal person to be our president?