Skip to comments.Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.
One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to rule over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.
All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.
FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?
Do you really expect me to do that?
Its best not to practice psychiatry without a license.
That’s why I don’t read DU lol. (the link I posted before was the first time I’d been there in a long time)
I think you both misunderstood my post.
SKYBIRD SKYBIRD DO NOT ANSWER
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COMMAND WORD: COTTONMOUTH
DAY WORD: TRINITY
Well, I certainly pray that the Republican voters are smart enough to see through Rudy’s game.
You are a researching MACHINE!!!!!
And another one of the claims made by the rudybots falls to pieces.
I’m unclear where this is bad. After the current crews energy bill...farm bill and highway bill which added untold pages to the tax system and subsidized wealthy conglomerates like ADM and Cargill for boondoggles like ethanol ...using the flat tax as a model is a bad thing?
He’s acknowledging the truth...you could never fully implement it. But at least he’s working on it. Geeez hit him on social issues but give him some credit for doing something good
Spoken like the supporter of a candidate who believes in government telling me what I should do. A licence? You sound like the Wizard of Oz telling someone that a diploma makes them smart.
A DEGREE. you want training to practice, not just a license from the government.
Anyway, sure, it's a stretch, but I saw a lot of "we here there is a purge coming" notes and posts, before a couple pro-rudy people started posting things they had to pull themselves they were so outrageous.
I agree. I'd rather be raped than murdered.
Very handsome guy there on the left.
Who yanked your chain?
If you post it again, they’ll accuse you of spamming.
Hey, they ay I see it, if Democratic values are going to be put ino place....it ought to be a Democrat doing it so the sheeple will finally see it is them that need voted OUT.
That is the best part about the 06 outcomes. Pelosi has been flubbing it bigtime.....Reid isn’t far behind. LEfties will never believe what they are told....they have to see it for themselves with Dems in power.
Just a note, but the spending shown by our Republican Congressmen last year was anything but conservative. Does that mean none of the people who voted on those spending bills are conservative? Of course not.
And I haven’t said I’m not socially conservative. I’ve said that I’m putting national security ahead of social issues. As are lots of conservatives, including people who self identify as socons.
If socons self identify themselves as such, does that mean they aren’t really conservatives because they aren’t as concerned with national security or spending? Naturally it doesn’t mean that at all.
They’re not banned, they’re just undocumented freepers!
Yep, which is why the MSM are pushing Rudy.
Then you realize, according to the lovely but bitter-to-the-bone narses, that, “you want babies dead”.
So if I don’t vote for a guy that I disagree with on so many issues, like abortion, gun rights, free speech, the homosexual agenda, and illegal immigration - I’m a juvenile throwing a tantrum?
Does the Republican party own your vote, no matter what it does or who it nominates?
Their judgment is excellent. I trust it. Do you?
It’s so amusing being defined by internet people who don’t have a clue.
I think it’s been established that you’re not a real Texan; must be a Kennebunkport transplant.
Peach, you don’t know JACK about fiscal conservatism...
New York leads the nation in taxes and fees. Each of them pays an average of $6300 annually in taxes and fees to live, work and have fun in the Empire State.
All they need to do is read my tagline.
I wouldn't choose either one.
Chris Matthews said he would consider voting for him and I knew the fix was in. I am so Rino-ed out. Reading books on the founding fathers and then being asked to support someone who supports turkey basting parenting is..is well just to much for any sane person to take.
I’ll ask again — what has Rudy done for National Security? What are his qualifications? What is his foreign policy experience? What are his military qualifications? What has Giuliani done to institute better national security? What did he do in new york to stop the terrorist threat? What legislation has he pushed since then?
He’s your candidate, what are his qualifications on national security?
“I’d rather be raped than murdered.”
I would rather be armed and avoid either one.
I suspect that it’s naive to think that the puppet masters will allow a true conservative to end up a serious contender.
But I pray I’m wrong and will try and do what I can to make it otherwise.
thanks for your kind comments.
Speaking to your question for myself, I have never knowingly voted for a pro-abortion, gungrabbing liberal and I'm not about to start now.
If the GOP nominates a pro-abortion gungrabbing liberal like Rudy, they forfeit my vote, and the results are their fault, not mine.
‘Cause people like Coyoteman don’t believe in God and want to force their worldview on the rest of us...
As if they have to try
The so called "conservative base" is in PERPETUAL alienated mode; something offends one of them each and every day and off they go, moralizing and pontificating.
You see, there are alot like me, who didnt sit at home but didnt vote for the those we were told we should because they can win. Some of us actually do vote FOR our values rather than bandwagon style.
And your stupid A$$ put the Democrats in control of the House and Senate.
And here you are BRAGGING about it.
LOL. Oh my. Well, keep saying I’m a liar. It seems to make you feel better. But it doesn’t make it so and you thus far haven’t been able to show that I’ve misrepresented your positions.
And as I’ve said, I’m delighted that so far, Rudy’s frontrunner status tells me that most conservatives and Republicans don’t agree with your opinion of him.
It’s so interesting that when Republicans spend a lot of money in Congress, they’re condemned for it, but they’re rarely called liberal. But oh, if someone puts national security ahead of abortion, why they’re just treasonous liberals.
Made my night thanks. He was a disruptive POS!
Made my night thanks. He was a disruptive POS!
Uh, hon, you do know that Rudy isn’t Mayor anymore don’t you? And that when he took over they had higher taxes than France and he cut taxes 23 times and turned a deficit around into a surplus.
Even Newt has called it one of the greatest urban achievements of the 21st century.
Wrong. The results mean you got outvoted.
Peach keeps posting that every rudy supporter is being banned, that all the freepers are writing her afraid to say they support Rudy.
Only a couple of people have been banned, and they were banned for posting lies about other conservatives, and posting things so wrong that they themselves had their own comments pulled.
There is no purge, there is no reason for CIVILIZED people to be afraid to express their opinion. Jim opposes their candidate, but has not banned them simply for supporting their candidate.
Hey, maybe you should put up a version of FR funnies.
This thread should certaing provide plenty of material.
Respecting to your first comments: at worst Sadaam was "rumored" to have WMD's. Given what was known by almost every intelligence agency in the world, failing to act in an overt military sense was a non-issue.
Don't accuse me of separating anthing between anything. I'm stating a blatent fact about what is.
It’s not an ‘either’,’or’ situtation. It’s both, including ‘fiscal’. You cannot say that true ‘conservatism’ is one or the other.I understand the difference between practical and pragmatic.
Don't pigeon-hole me as being an advocate for any sort of ideology. Regardless of whatever political rhetoric is being spewed, I believe that there is a subliminal and tacit approval by Congress and the Senate concerning Executive policy.
There is at least an implicit consent respecting the operations in Iraq pertaining to WOT. We'll soon find out just how explicite the consent is concerning all that based on the fact that the military will need money real soon.
The last bill had two major aspects to it: lots and lots of pork, and a artificial deadline. Bush said that he'd reject any sort of deadline, does that mean he'd accept any number with respect to pork? Would it be acceptable to double the cost of the war if 1/2 of the cost was pork for those Democrat/Republican legislators that wouldn't vote otherwise $'s came into their district?
Frankly, I believe that all the nonsense about the pork will come down to whether or not any of it can be paid for on the U.S.A. credit card.
Name recognition polling aside, that assessment will change when more voters understand what Rudy is.
Oh, the irony.
He He, Right on Flashbunny.
Would you mind, since you are not a liar, pointing out the people on this thread who said they would vote for Hillary instead of Rudy?
“Chris Matthews said he would consider voting for him and I knew the fix was in.”
Expect establishment Republicans to give some type of courage award to Chrissy Matthews now - I mean the moderate Chrissy Matthews. lmao...I can’t wait for this Rudymania to crash and burn - the elite of the Party will leave him swiftly and in droves. Leaving the hardcore lib RINOS holding the bag. It’s coming folks.
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