OFFICERS WHINE BY EXAMPLE (British Hostage Behavior)

New York Post ^ | 7 April 07 | Ralph Peters

[SkyPilot]

April 7, 2007 -- A SOLDIER'S law in the U.S. Army holds: "The maxi mum effective range of an excuse is zero meters." Yesterday, the two officers on a panel of former British hostages delivered nothing but excuses for their disgraceful conduct.

[SkyPilot]

Maybe this is an indictment of having women, or at least moms, in these situations.

Possibly.

But if that is the case, they should state it NOW.

If they will not even come clean about that being the prime motivator in their quick capitulation to become Lord Haw Haws for Iranian television, then they deserve even more contempt. It would be more PC grist for the mill.

Someone should have told Faye Turney that denouncing her government in "Dear Mum and Dad" letters wasn't the smartest thing to do.

The Iranians are now more emboldened than ever - and the British hostages behavior contributed to this.

As for the officers who were at that press conference, they should have released a statement saying: "Valor is a casualty of war."

[batco-barry]

“Maybe this is an indictment of having women, or at least moms, in these situations.”

In all the posts i’ve read on this, this is the statement that stands out among others...............

[SkyPilot]

In the hostage camp, how did you feel when you heard the American anthem and saw your flag being raised at the end?

I still remember that part. I had tears in my eyes.

It was a very difficult experience. We had an inept officer who was our highest ranking "POW" in the camp. He was terrible. The Resistance Training guards had enough of him because he was such a terrible example. They took him away and said he as being "executed" - in reality they took him away from the camp and said he was finished with the scenario. They put me in charge as the next highest ranking. I was singled out for abuse, harsh interrogations, and trips to the commandant's office - and I worked for 2 days to play the game. I did OK, and I was glad when it was over.

[politicalwit]

1) I am an American fighting man. I serve in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.

2) I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender my men while they still have the means to resist.

3) If I am captured, I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.

4) If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me, and will back them up in every way.

5) When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am bound to give only name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies, or harmful to their cause.

6) I will never forget that I am an American fighting man, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.

[batco-barry]

what a statement..........!!!!!!!!!

It takes hundreds of years to be demoted to that level.

This ‘motley crew’ demoted themselves to the level of the French, not the military as a whole. British soldiers are still dying on the streets of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan.

So, when you doing your next tour in Iraq or Afghanistan?????

[batco-barry]

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[M Kehoe]

I thought the Brits got Pow, escape and evasion training? Now I wonder if they still do that at infantry school here?

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[M Kehoe]

Now I wonder if infantry AIT is still at Benning?

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[M Kehoe]

Too many questions, so little time...

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[Taichi]

They may as well resign. You know their chances of advancement are shot to pieces.

[Leisler]

Why should these dolts fight when their officers and so-called leaders don’t? Brits used to call their ships, “Man-of-War” Now the call Marines and Sailors, “Naval Service Personal”. Like if your head on your 20 foot sailboat is backing up, call NSP.

Pathetic.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

"...the speed with which some enlisted personnel complied with what their captors asked says a great deal about the atmosphere prevailing in the unit."

Perhaps this is one small reason why the length of time that United States military personnel 'enjoy' much longer stays at the hands of enemy forces when held hostage.

[Al Gator]

This is a big disgrace.

So was the pilot who flew our EP-3B Pappa Romeo 32 into chinese space and handed the plane, intact, to the chicoms.

Funny how things get distorted.

[Beckwith]

... the fact that there was a mother among them

Just one more argument against women in combat rolls.

[Leisler]

Different generation of youths too. Almost all have been raised in anti-patriotic, anti-military, managerial, bland, value less culture. Of course the Brits even more so.

No telling what the Brits would of done if the Iranians offered them I-pods.

[WorkingClassFilth]

I think that part of the dynamic here had to do with the fact that there was a mother among them, and none could bear the idea that the Iranians would kill her. Maybe this is an indictment of having women, or at least moms, in these situations.

It's more than an indictment; it's exactly what any sane person has always seen in the politically correct insanity of putting women in combat situations. Give the nutcases the ability to exercise PC options and worse will come to pass as well.

Of course, this obvious problem has nothing to do with the myriad of problems connected to the sexual dynamic and its effects on morale in normal operating conditions.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Society no longer wants to raise boys with what it takes to become war heros.

And yet, our society here in the US continues to produce men of honor, courage and faith.
Even from states like Massachusetts and California.

It is men like these that we need to get into our highest levels of government and purge the weenies and the lawyers.

[TADSLOS]

[Labyrinthos]

By all appearances, it looks like their treatment didn’t even reach that level. They have to live with it though. It definitely is not a shining moment for the British military. It does not live up to the proud history of their military.

Which is probably why the Iranians released them when they did: They Iranians won this battle without firing a shot and so, they released the Brits when the risks of further captivity outweighed the benefits.

[lormand]

I could try and imagine what it is like, but I'm only helped by seeing the camp on History Channel or something.

They showed the emotions of the "freed prisoners" when the Star Spangled Banner was played as they turned around to see Old Glory.

Hell, I'm getting goose bumps typing it in.