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A Matter of Wording (Ithaca to Order Police: Don't Enforce Immigration Laws)
?Ithaca Times 2007 ^ | 03/21/2007 | Jake Bakkila

Posted on 03/22/2007 8:53:36 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

Representatives on the City of Ithaca Common Council withdrew recently a resolution that would make official the City of Ithaca's government position on immigration enforcement over concerns about the wording and clarity of the resolution. It is expected to be on the April agenda for the council.

The resolution was drawn up and reviewed in the City Administration Committee meeting. It was in this meeting that some people started to have doubts about the particular wording of the bill, which uses powerful language to express the City's opposition to immigration enforcement.

"There were some questions related to the resolution that we were not able to put to either [Police Chief] Lauren Signer or the City Attorney, because, much to my chagrin, I forgot to ask them to come to the meeting," explained Councilwoman Maria Coles.

"So we could not ask them questions that were related to the resolution."

"We all desperately wanted the resolution to go to the Common Council meeting in March," said Coles.

The resolution draft reads, in part:

"Whereas, reliable published reports indicate a dramatic increase in enforcement of immigration laws in New York and elsewhere, and
whereas, those reports further indicate that such enforcement measures have created a climate of fear among New York's non-citizen population, and
whereas, as a result of such enforcement measures, such families have been broken up, with parents forcibly separated from children, and in some cases, families forced to flee their homes and seek shelter wherever possible
now, therefore, be it resolved, that the City of Ithaca stands opposed to the overbearing, frightening and cruel activities of the U.S. Customs and Immigration Enforcement agency in allegedly enforcing immigration laws against non-citizens in the State of New York, and, be it further
resolved, that the Ithaca Police Department is requested to refrain from participating in the enforcement of immigration laws except when specifically requested by federal officials in relation to particularized suspicion of criminal activity other than the mere presence of an individual in the City of Ithaca."

Coles explained that, because of the unique considerations of such a resolution, there was a desire to make sure that every question was answered before the resolution came before Common Council. And because of the unique considerations of the resolution, many of these questions were directed to the City Attorney Daniel Hoffman, and Ithaca Police Chief Lauren Signer.

"Concerns were raised about the wording of it," said Hoffman of the resolution. "Concerns were raised by the police department about some of the substantive aspects of it, including the concept wherein the police department would be asked to refrain from participating in the enforcement of immigration laws except under certain circumstances, and the police chief had some questions about whether that was the right course of action to take."

"I wouldn't characterize this as selective enforcement," added Hoffman. "And what I've heard are concerns about whether the intentions of this resolution would be fully satisfied by what is actually set forth [in the proposition]. Would it help and respect illegal immigrants, or could it end up making things more difficult?"

The issue of the effects of the resolution, if passed, has been up for debate. There have been incidences in Ithaca's past where illegal immigrants and undocumented workers were made to work in area businesses and paid far less than the legal minimum wage. There are concerns that such a resolution might inadvertently weaken the ability of the police to prevent or prosecute such abuses.

"The interesting thing is that we are not necessarily opposed, we meaning law enforcement and the legislature," said police chief Signer. "But the wording [in the resolution] is very strong, and the wording is, to us, very negative. It implies that we, as a local law enforcement agency, already use similar tactics to what that they are criticizing of federal agencies and that is not the case."

Chief Signer said that, since the withdrawal of the resolution, she has spent time with members of the Council and the city attorney answering questions and explaining that, while her department supports federal law enforcement, they don't use the same tactics.

"We represent much more the values and concerns of this community, because this is where we work and these are the people that we work for," said Signer.

"There isn't even necessarily a need for this type of legislation."

Signer said that there are two issues that face the police department in dealing with illegal immigration. "One, we already have procedures in place for supporting the federal government on issues of immigration, which we rarely ever need to do," she explained. "And secondly, we don't have a choice. We're subordinate to federal authority. So you can pass any local law you want, because I already took an oath to the Constitution, as did everyone in this building, that we support the federal law, then state law, then local."

"You can be more protective in a state or local law than in a federal law, but you can't be less protective," added Signer.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; cityofevil; illegalimmigration; immigration; ithaca
So...to things perfectly clear: the government of the City of Ithaca is standing with the illegal immigrants and planning to direct its police to not enforce immigration laws. In fact, the only reason they haven't already done so is because they want to make sure they don't inadvertently make things more difficult for...the illegals.

Ithaca is the City of Evil.


1 posted on 03/22/2007 8:53:39 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; gaspar; NativeNewYorker; drjimmy; Atticus; John Valentine; TLBSHOW; ...
City of Evil bump:


2 posted on 03/22/2007 8:57:29 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
"And secondly, we don't have a choice. We're subordinate to federal authority. So you can pass any local law you want, because I already took an oath to the Constitution, as did everyone in this building, that we support the federal law, then state law, then local."

"You can be more protective in a state or local law than in a federal law, but you can't be less protective," added Signer.

We shall now see whether the city government will seek secession from the US to get around this tiny little issue...

3 posted on 03/22/2007 9:04:30 AM PDT by Tirian
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"(Ithaca to Order Police: Don't Enforce Immigration Laws)"

Well, it's obviously Bush's fault. If we only had a REAL CONSERVATIVE in the WH, those little municipalities wouldn't be ALLOWED to make up their own rules like that.

I haven't been back to Ithaca since we tried pulling into a gas station and were cut off by a police car sailing into the parking lot with the lights and sirens going. We guessed they probably wouldn't be interested in selling us gas during a holdup and left.

4 posted on 03/22/2007 9:04:33 AM PDT by cake_crumb (When Congress prosecutes wars, you get Another Viet Nam)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Grounds for a good Federal court challenge,IMO.
5 posted on 03/22/2007 9:04:57 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I'll move there if the council will respectfully request the Gub'mint to no longer seek my hard $$ as tax, oh and ask the local police to allow me to drive on the sidewalks


6 posted on 03/22/2007 9:07:40 AM PDT by NativeSon (when bulbs are outlawed only outlaws will see the light)
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Let us make an add in all the "istans" of the world and tell em to set up shop there to rule those bu++ holes liberals and make it Ithaca-istan... just for fun and poping corn.


7 posted on 03/22/2007 9:16:11 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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Well, there is the small issue of the "constitution" here. The fact is that it is NOT the duty of the states and or the municipalities to enforce federal law, and the protection of our borders is specifically (again, according to that pesky document) under the purview of the fed. However, silly issues like whether it is legal or not never stops the "law and order" crowd on any other issue. I don't see why they should suddenly discover it now.
8 posted on 03/22/2007 9:20:57 AM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Ron Paul in '08)
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Not a problem. Just make sure that ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS in this country are made aware of the resolution by the Ithaca council. When enough ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS arrive in Ithaca, I'm sure that the council will want to restate their resolution.


9 posted on 03/22/2007 9:37:20 AM PDT by Colonel PK (Say what you will, I don't have to agree with you.)
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To: DreamsofPolycarp
It's not their duty to enforce federal law, but it is their duty to not impede federal officers in the enforcement of said laws. If the municipality passed this ordinance and attempted to force their local police to refuse cooperation with the feds, the city council should all be arrested for obstruction of justice.
10 posted on 03/22/2007 9:39:21 AM PDT by Doug Loss
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"...the Ithaca Police Department is requested to refrain from participating in the enforcement of immigration laws except when specifically requested by federal officials in relation to particularized suspicion of criminal activity other than the mere presence of an individual in the City of Ithaca."

Since the mere presence in the City of Ithaca of a non-citizen without federal government permission is in itself a criminal activity according to the laws of the United States, under this resolution the police would still be authorized to enforce federal immigration laws within the city. No problem here. The city fathers of Ithaca can rest easy.

11 posted on 03/22/2007 9:54:55 AM PDT by Emile (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. --Plato)
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...maybe if they'd declare Ithaca a tax-free zone, as well as a law enforcement-free zone...


12 posted on 03/22/2007 12:33:19 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: Doug Loss

gee,what a common sense idea:)-i know you'll never get elected to the city council in ithaca buddy-i spent 21 years in INS enforcement and we always had a good working relationship with local and state police,unlike some other federal agencies-i wish the whole aclu had one neck and i had the rope-ha ha


13 posted on 03/22/2007 2:29:40 PM PDT by steamroller
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