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Poll: Less than half of Americans think U.S. can win in Iraq
CNN ^ | March 13, 2007

Posted on 03/13/2007 10:20:51 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

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To: MinorityRepublican
An even smaller percentage, 37 percent, said the United States will in fact win the war in Iraq;

How f*cking stupid do you have to be to work for CNN? Did they really think there would be some people who said we can't win in Iraq but we will win in Iraq? The truth is not subject to a vote. We are winning in Iraq. We win by giving the Iraqi government, all of ten months old, the ability to fight off those who want to destabilize it using terror tactics against civilians. As that government stands up, we win.

By any objective measure things are going better in Iraq than CNN would ever admit. The big things went well. Saddam's regime is gone. He and his sons are gone. A constitution has been ratified and free elections with very high participation have been successfully held three times.

The short term picture looks a ot better than it did three months ago. The surge is working. Al Sadr is exposed as a coward. He and some of his people headed for the hills and the remainder are negotiating with the government to avoid being killed. The Sunni tribes are helping the Coalition forces in kicking Al Qaida out of Anbar province. The Iraqi government is taking over security responsibility in more areas. VBIED factories are being raided - based on tips from the civilian population. Displaced families are returning to Baghdad. Al Qaida in Iraq operatives, including higher ranking ones are being killed and captured daily.

The media, especially Newsweek and CNN are backed into a corner and playing their last card - exploiting wounded veterans. They thought reporting just troop casualties would give them their "Walter Cronkite" moment where they, the media, would once again "end" a war. They would really just be abandoning the people of another country to misery, mayhem, torture and death but let's not split hairs, "ending the war" sounds better. But American casualties have been maddeningly constant for three years now and the people still weren't taking to the streets. So they went to Plan B - Iraqi civilian lives suddenly became valuable. When Saddam was killing thousands per month it meant nothing. But if Al Qaida and indigenous terrorists killed civilians suddenly those lives became precious. A car bomb killing fifty Iraqis got almost as much air time as a car chase in L.A. But the public is still not marching on Washington so the media are desperate. The same wounded veterans whose heroism they ignored are suddenly poster children in their new role, victims of government neglect. There is no greater hypocrisy imaginable than for the MSM to accuse anyone else of ignoring our military.

21 posted on 03/14/2007 12:46:16 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: Dilbert56

A poll by CCN says...... click, I am gone.


22 posted on 03/14/2007 2:39:46 AM PDT by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: MinorityRepublican

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Great stories from a imbed writer.

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23 posted on 03/14/2007 6:32:54 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: MinorityRepublican

I'm pretty sure we can't win Iraq - Iraq is not an isolated entity. To win, we need to win in Syria and Iran, too.
We also lack the will to do the brutal things that victory requires.


24 posted on 03/14/2007 6:40:55 AM PDT by Little Ray (Proud to be one of "...the most paranoid, xenophobic and reactionary characters...")
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To: Little Ray

Finally.

Confirming what we really knew all along:

"Less than half of Americans think..."


25 posted on 03/14/2007 6:46:02 AM PDT by CBart95
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To: MarkL
I'm sure that the MSM will continue to work tirelessly towards their goal of seeing the ( Down fall of US military power, US economy ( Global Warming propaganda ) all in a concerted effect to bring down the USA ) US Military lose the war in Iraq, and maybe even bring the events (terrorist attacks, IEDs, and mass kidnappings/executions) from Baghdad home to the US
26 posted on 03/14/2007 7:17:47 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Joseph Gerbils would have been proud.
27 posted on 03/14/2007 7:20:45 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: MinorityRepublican

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6UurfouWoqs


28 posted on 03/14/2007 7:21:15 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: CBart95
Less than half of Americans think ( Who happen to either be sheepled, or Liberals )
29 posted on 03/14/2007 7:27:47 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU


30 posted on 03/14/2007 7:32:15 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Less than that supported the rebellion that formed the United States. According to what I have read, the numbers were split almost equally, 1/3 for the rebellion against England, 1/3 loyalist opposed to the rebellion, and 1/3 that would go either way.

It would seem that the number of those who support a war is of little consequence given they win.

31 posted on 03/14/2007 7:37:25 AM PDT by Texas Jack
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To: MinorityRepublican

"Less than half of Americans think the United States can win the war in Iraq, according to a CNN poll released Tuesday"

CNN? That means less than half of LIBERALS think the US can win.

BIG difference.


32 posted on 03/14/2007 7:57:40 AM PDT by ryan71 (You can hear it on the coconut telegraph...)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Americans have been subjected to some of the most effective propaganda ever employed in the history of warfare, promulgated by American Fifth Columnists in the main stream media who share several goals with the jihadis, specifically regime change in America and a desire to see American power in the world reduced.

Terrorism is just a tactic, a tactic which is effective only upon those personally affected by the terrorist act, UNLESS that act is reported and magnified and discussed and fretted about and forced into the conciousness of millions of people thousands of miles away from the scene of the act. Terrorism depends upon the media for its effectiveness.

Propaganda is a component of psychological operations, which fall under the umbrella of information operations. Counter propaganda is a tactical psyops mission to protect the troops from the effects of enemy propaganda, but strategic counter propaganda to mitigate the effects of enemy propaganda on domestic target audiences is against the law. Our military psychological operators can't help us. The success of the enemy's partial regime change last November means the law will not be changed soon.

Who does strategic counter propaganda for American target audiences?

We do.

You have it exactly right. D*mn you should have a job state side working the legal Civ angle of the information component of this WOT.

You understand it completely and clearly. Way too many don't. Especially those in positions of "potential" influence on the matter (if only they understood).

33 posted on 03/14/2007 2:14:03 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: MinorityRepublican

Half of Americans cannot find Iraq on a map.


34 posted on 03/14/2007 2:15:54 PM PDT by verity (Muhammed is a Dirt Bag)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
It's funny that the US media considers itself neutral at best. But if you want to win, by definition you cannot be neutral.
35 posted on 03/14/2007 6:45:42 PM PDT by Chgogal (Vote Al Qaeda. Vote Democrat.)
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To: Chgogal
Much of the US media consider themselves citizens of the world and journalists who must claim to be "objective". Being an American is not something a lot of them are proud of.

A lot of it has to do with the personality types who are attracted to a life in which words are more important than deeds.

36 posted on 03/15/2007 3:26:50 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group -- Distributed IO and counter-PsyOps)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Well put, and a great thread to visit and forward to others:

Pictures of Iraq success stories here [lots o' graphics]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1792428/posts

Reminds me of the old Diogenesis "Gotta See This" posts.


37 posted on 03/15/2007 3:39:14 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: DevSix; Cannonette
Ain't no uplift stateside, and I'd have to pay taxes, but I'd still consider a job working the legal civilian angle of the information component of this war, if there was one. Department of State supposedly has the responsibility of domestic counter propaganda, and I see no evidence of them doing that.

When government fails, we the people must step up.

Do me a favor and look at some of my blog posts and comment on a couple. Your input would be valuable for the lovely and talented Cannonette's conference prep.

38 posted on 03/15/2007 3:51:37 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group -- Distributed IO and counter-PsyOps)
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To: kabar
"Department of State supposedly has the responsibility of domestic counter propaganda, and I see no evidence of them doing that."

Kabar, what say you? Is this true that the DOS is responsible for getting the word out about the positive things going on in Iraq? Here is a post showing some of the positive things happening in Iraq? It's such a shame so few Americans know about the progress.

Pictures of Iraq success stories here [lots o' graphics]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1792428/posts
39 posted on 03/15/2007 8:46:57 PM PDT by Chgogal (Vote Al Qaeda. Vote Democrat.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; Cannonette; LS
{Sigh} I know. It's tragically funny that "the world citizens" wouldn't enjoy today's social order without "The American Cowboy". It is horrifying that these "world citizens" cannot distinguish between the good guy and the bad guy.

I found an interesting post of sorts today dealing with a movie called 300.

Jack Cashill: Why '300' So Deeply Troubles Hollywood (FR Mentioned)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1801239/posts

If you are in the mood, you may wish to read it. Additionally, I found Post 84 quite heartening.

"I live in a conservative area of NJ. I went to see the movie last Sunday night in a small town hoping to avoid the crowds (I hate when people talk during movies). It was packed. The vast majority of theater goers were buzz cutted, well built young males and their dates who left the theater pretty pumped up. They were unapologetic to say the least."

It is such a shame that Hollywood refuses to make patriotic movies. There is so much material out there and the hunger for a good patriotic flick is severe.

BTW, are you aware of Freeper LS? Clue: a well known historian. : ) See post 10.
40 posted on 03/15/2007 9:06:09 PM PDT by Chgogal (Vote Al Qaeda. Vote Democrat.)
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