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White House slams carpooling, new road fees better (children, minorities hardest hit...)
Reuters ^ | February 12, 2007 | Tom Doggett

Posted on 02/12/2007 1:03:09 PM PST by presidio9

Carpooling won't do much to reduce U.S. highway congestion in urban areas, and a better solution would be to build new highways and charge drivers fees to use them, the White House said on Monday.

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"It is increasingly appropriate to charge drivers for some roadway use in the same way the private market charges for other goods and services," the White House said in its annual report on the U.S. economy.

While some urban areas have designated roads for vehicles with two or more passengers, those high-occupancy vehicle (HOV) lanes are often underused because carpooling is becoming less popular, the administration said.

Based on the latest data supplied by the White House, only about 13 percent of motorists carpooled to work in 2000. That compared with 20 percent of daily American commuters in 1980.

"This trend makes it unlikely that initiatives focused on carpooling will make large strides in reducing vehicle use," the White House said.

Building more highways won't reduce congestion either, unless drivers are charged a fee, according to the administration.

"If a roadway is priced -- that is, if drivers have to pay a fee to access a particular road -- then congestion can be avoided by adjusting the price up or down at different times of day to reflect changes in demand for its use," the White House said. "Road space is allocated to drivers who most highly value a reliable and unimpaired commute."

Critics of such fees argue that road tolls would make new highways reserved mostly for wealthy drivers, who are more likely to travel in expensive, gas-guzzling vehicles.

But the White House said urban road expansions should be focused on highways where drivers demonstrate a willingness to pay a fee that is higher than the actual cost of construction, allowing communities to avoid raising taxes on everyone to build the roads.

The administration argued that congestion pricing is already used by many providers of goods and services: movie theaters charge more for tickets in the evening than they do at midday, just as ski resorts raise lift prices on weekends. Similarly, airlines boost prices on tickets during peak travel seasons and taxi cabs raise fares during the rush hour.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beammeupscotty; foryourowngood; fromthegovernment; heretohelp; nonewtaxes; smartgrowth; taxdollarsatwork; tollroads; transportation; youpayforthis
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To: Alberta's Child
The natural result of an all-you-can-eat dining environment is an obese customer base.

Great argument against the Bill of Rights, too.

When people are too free, they don't appreciate it. Turn all their rights into privileges and sell them, and marvel at the improvement! So many dollars for habeas corpus, so many dollars to be registered to vote. Fist-class citizenship $40,000/year; second-class, $5000, and so on. Right down to the economy plan, where somebody owns you and works your back over with a whip every day.

</sarc>

81 posted on 02/12/2007 2:04:06 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Cymbaline
Absolutely true. I lived both in L.A. and the SF Bay Area, and the diamond lanes were a joke. The main lines of the freeway are at a complete standstill, and the diamond lane has like 5 people in it, all going 90mph. They do NOTHING for traffic conjestion. Their only purpose is to give liberals a way to directly punish you for not being politically correct.

But they can fine you for violating that lane. And on some highways, it is an EPA mandated thing so you get hit with some pretty high fines.

Another wonderful revenue stream.

More money is made by ticketing those who illegally park at parking meters than on the change that is pumped into the meters.

82 posted on 02/12/2007 2:04:53 PM PST by weegee (No third term. Hillary Clinton's 2008 election run presents a Constitutional Crisis.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
That's not what the map showed. I still have the map.
83 posted on 02/12/2007 2:05:25 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Gator113
This should clear up traffic problems, eliminate drive-by shootings and get the USA back on the right track.

Since outlawing guns didn't end driveby shootings, we'll outlaw cars. It is easier to spot someone with a car than with a concealed weapon.

When cars are outlawed, only outlaws will have cars.

84 posted on 02/12/2007 2:06:32 PM PST by weegee (No third term. Hillary Clinton's 2008 election run presents a Constitutional Crisis.)
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To: SoCalPol
That's good for your situation. How far do you have to walk? How much is a month pass?

Here in the foothills and Sacramento, the local bus is almost close enough for me to walk but having chronic pain makes the more than 1/4 mile walk extremely painful. So I drive. If the stop was two blocks closer I'd take the bus. It's certainly cheaper. It only costs around $125.00 a month. Parking and gas are easily double that.

One more thing, in order to get into the HOV lane you need a total of two occupants. They should change the law so both occupants must have a driver's license, otherwise, having an infant in the passenger seat doesn't get a car off of the road.

85 posted on 02/12/2007 2:09:04 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Froufrou

"I know TX was talking about it and I don't know why they switched to the TTC talks"

Developers. Rapid rail (not necessarily "light") systems are the best solution for our urban-suburban traffic congestion problems, BUT they alter the economic value of the land. Property near the rail stations is valuable but areas distant from them drop in value (relatively).


86 posted on 02/12/2007 2:09:41 PM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( ISLAMA DELENDA EST!)
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To: weegee
But the downtown boys still want their money from the property taxes on your castle to pay for their billion dollars in sports stadiums.

You got it. They'll want someone flogging those drones right smart through those milking turnstiles downtown every day, making that squeezejuice flow out of them like honeydew from an army of aphids, yum yum yum.

87 posted on 02/12/2007 2:09:53 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Lion Den Dan
OK I'll try one last time. Build all the roads you want. Spend the entire US economy building roads. The number of cars will expand to fill all available highways until the entire North American Continent is a vast interlaced parking lot and every square mile not dedicated to highways is growing corn for fuel. Not one car on the highway will exceed 50 MPH because there is no room.

look at every urban area in the US that has built roads over the last 20 years. See any improvement in traffic flow? Is it taking you less time to go from Atlanta to Orlando this year versus in 2000? Doesn't matter how much is spent on highway development or where the money comes from, the rate of increase in the number of cars exceeds the rate at which we can expand the highways.

There, I got it out of my system......

88 posted on 02/12/2007 2:09:59 PM PST by Ben Mugged (Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

I've been following the I-35 plan for several years and read about it when I pass into Austin every year.

Is that proposal now shelved permanently?


89 posted on 02/12/2007 2:10:26 PM PST by weegee (No third term. Hillary Clinton's 2008 election run presents a Constitutional Crisis.)
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To: The Pack Knight
The roadways are NOT a private market.

You're right. But that doesn't mean they are immune to the same economic forces at work in a private market.

Simply put, this means that an asset whose use is free -- or is perceived to be "free" by the users -- will always tend to be used to excess. That, in a nutshell, is what highway congestion is all about.

90 posted on 02/12/2007 2:10:28 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: MEGoody
The technology is certainly there. I could easily telecommute, but my boss doesn't like not having us at his beck and call every minute.

They always use a somewhat different reason to say you can't telecommute but what you said is the real reason!

91 posted on 02/12/2007 2:12:22 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: presidio9
Carpooling won't do much to reduce U.S. highway congestion in urban areas, and a better solution would be to build new highways and charge drivers fees to use them, the White House said on Monday.

That's a "slam"?

More people on the toll roads means fewer people on the public ones. Sounds like a win-win to me.

92 posted on 02/12/2007 2:12:46 PM PST by skr (I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Alberta's Child
Instituting a "user fee" on a road is no different than having a public utility charge variable rates for electricity based on when demand is highest and lowest.

This is coming to some areas too.

93 posted on 02/12/2007 2:12:49 PM PST by weegee (No third term. Hillary Clinton's 2008 election run presents a Constitutional Crisis.)
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To: presidio9
The administration argued that congestion pricing is already used by many providers of goods and services: movie theaters charge more for tickets in the evening than they do at midday, just as ski resorts raise lift prices on weekends. Similarly, airlines boost prices on tickets during peak travel seasons and taxi cabs raise fares during the rush hour...

I don't know what makes me angrier...being treated like I'm stupid, or them acting like they are. The difference, of course, is that the airlines are charging for the use of property they own, and can therefore charge whatever they want. I don't have to think it's a good idea. On the other hand...if the government wants to charge me for the use of something I already paid for, then they have to do a better job of selling it than they have.

94 posted on 02/12/2007 2:13:06 PM PST by gogeo
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
Rapid rail works, and very well.

If you own the rapid rail system, that's true.

95 posted on 02/12/2007 2:14:01 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus
If you can find a single reference in the Bill of Rights -- or even the U.S. Constitution as a whole -- to a "freedom to travel," then you might have a point.

In fact, the U.S. Constitution specifically gives the Federal government the authority to "regulate interstate commerce," and to build and maintain "post roads," ports and harbors -- and that's about all. Anything above and beyond that -- including the construction of a "free" system of highways -- was never part of the deal.

96 posted on 02/12/2007 2:14:04 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Lion Den Dan
What does my assertion that no matter how much you expand the roads you will not improve traffic flow got to do with taxes and fees?
97 posted on 02/12/2007 2:14:07 PM PST by Ben Mugged (Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
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To: The Pack Knight
After all, with public mass transit, the government has effective control over when and where you can travel, work, and live.

And whether you can even leave town.

The less need you have for a car for work or play, the less need you have for a car.

98 posted on 02/12/2007 2:14:16 PM PST by weegee (No third term. Hillary Clinton's 2008 election run presents a Constitutional Crisis.)
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To: Froufrou

Bicyclists in Amsterdam have right-of-way over pedestrians.

And cities can be 20 miles apart or less with high speed trains connecting them.


99 posted on 02/12/2007 2:15:15 PM PST by weegee (No third term. Hillary Clinton's 2008 election run presents a Constitutional Crisis.)
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To: weegee

I've never ridden in a tow truck... precisely because I wouldn't want to climb into one with the seedy looking character behind the wheel.


100 posted on 02/12/2007 2:16:22 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife
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