Posted on 01/06/2007 5:52:57 PM PST by wagglebee
I dunno. The visitors like to portray themselves as numerous but I doubt they are more than a small and shrinking band. They have nothing to argue with. It takes all their effort to pretend they aren't defending the hind end of a skunk.
Meanwhile, most Freepers are solidly pro-life. Most, I think, are well informed about Terri, too.
You are right, but the CINOs make a lot of damn noise!
Yeah. So do jackhammers in mating season.
It could make a fascinating thread.
Medical Alert Concerning Positional Asphyxia
Both the EMS and Bobby Schindler reported that Terri was found in the prone position. Why did Michael Schiavo keep trying to say he flipped her over onto her back.........??
I think that's what the elitists call a "rhetorical question."
Schiavo probably doesn't remember what position he left her in after he finished doing whatever it was he did to her.
It could be rhetorical, yup, but I didn't necessarily mean it to be. Michael lied to the police investigators, saying that everything was rosy between him and Terri; in truth, they were having a terrible fight. He also tried misdirecting them by saying he didn't know anything that would cause Terri to try suicide. (That one should have set off the alarms, but the police evidently paid it no mind.)
Recall too, he was a nurse. Did he realize afterward, from his nursing training, that he had put her at risk of death in the prone position? At different times, he said both (A) that he had found her on her back, and (B) that she was prone but that he turned her over onto her back to cradle her. The paramedic and Bobby Schindler both said she was prone when found, not on her back, and there is no reason to doubt this. It would be bizarre Michael he had flipped her from prone to her back and then returned her to a prone position before the emergency people arrived.
I do not understand him giving this false account. What was he trying to say or suggest or conceal by stating that he'd turned her onto her back?
Innocent people have no need to give false information to police.
Snipped the wrong word. SB "It would be bizarre if Michael had..."
While unlikely with the Florida judges in his pocket, still someday Michael Schiavo might be charged. Older cases with less evidence have led to arrests.
Sometimes the investigators turn up the heat and wait for another incident or for someone to break. Here, the pool of "someones" who could testify as to criminality is pretty big. It doesn't take much imagination to think of many situations where "someone" might start talking. Then, perhaps, the whole house comes down.
What is it they say? If two or more people know it, it's not a secret any more.
I am not completely sure one way or the other, but hopefully someone knows the correct answer.
The law was changed after Terri's injury but before her death. PEG (feeding) tubes were redefined both to be life support equipment and life-prolonging treatment. Before these changes feeding tubes were not regarded as extraordinary care (and had been around for at least two centuries).
It is not a stretch to suppose that these changes in the law were made with an eye to killing Terri and other patients who could not speak for themselves.
In any case, the change WAS used to kill Terri and to do it "ex post facto." Because of her injury, Terri could not have known about these changes in the law and what they implied for her own case. She could not possibly have given "informed consent" to this removal of her treatment -- but "informed consent" was the original basis of her right to refuse treatment. Her rights were trampled by the Greer Court.
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Has this law ever been used to discontinue nutrition and hydration per a patient's informed consent? Has it ever been used with the consent of a patient, informed or not? Or has it only been used without the patient's consent?
Within my readings, no. Not once.
Dehydration is a cruel death. Even when the body shuts down on its own -- as in the final stages of some cancers -- you want to make the patient as comfortable as possible with ice chips, damp cloths and such.
>> Has it ever been used with the consent of a patient, informed or not?
Not that I know of.
It wouldn't be a legal issue anyway. If the patient is ignorant enough to specify this death in his "living will," it will simply be done at any hospital or hospice. Nobody need phone the sheriff.
>> Or has it only been used without the patient's consent?
This was inevitably so in the high-profile cases we have looked at. Nancy Cruzan, Christine Busalacchi, and of course Terri Schiavo were all dehydrated to death on someone else's orders. It seems to be a common form of murder. You will recall that 'Grandma' Mae Magouirk almost died that way when a granddaughter with power of attorney tried to get rid of her. 8mmMauser's friend "Uncle Johnny" died in similar circumstances.
That's the whole point of the law -- to let the guardian rig out some "clear and convincing" reason to snuff an inconvenient patient. Perhaps it salves the killer's conscience, and the judge's. It shouldn't.
There, Greer instructed members of the mainstream media in how to report on significant legal stories like the battle over Terri's life.
A Judge Instructing the Media on how to report a story in such a contriversial Story. In other words He is out indoctrinating the MSM for future stories like Terri's MURDER.
I should have pinged you to this in case you wanted to add anything here, in particular about Uncle Johnny.
In California, yes it was done. The only problem was that after the courts ordered her feeding tube removed, she got hungry! Apparently her decision to eat and live was too much for her right to die attorney. He committed suicide.
Elizabeth Bouvia Scroll down about halfway.
Oh, no!!! They almost killed the queen of England!!!!
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