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NYT Reporting Friday, Sources Say: U.S. Posting of Iraq Nuke Docs on Web Could Have Helped Iran
Drudge Report ^ | November 2, 2006

Posted on 11/02/2006 7:14:31 PM PST by West Coast Conservative

Federal government set up Web site -- Operation Iraqi Freedom Document Portal -- to make public a vast archive of Iraqi documents captured during the war; detailed accounts of Iraq's secret nuclear research; a 'basic guide to building an atom bomb'... Officials of the International Atomic Energy Agency fear the information could help Iran develop nuclear arms... contain charts, diagrams, equations and lengthy narratives about bomb building that the nuclear experts say go beyond what is available elsewhere on the Internet and in other public forums...

Website now shut... Developing...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iran; iraq; nuclearprogram; nytimes; saddam; wmdprogram
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To: soccer8
Further, in 2003, how far along was Iran in their nuke program? Were they already ahead (but playing patty-cake with the IAEA to buy time)?

By 1999, it turns out, they had already gotten the fusing diagrams for the W-88 warhead -- a "gift" from the Clinton administration.

101 posted on 11/02/2006 7:46:07 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: West Coast Conservative
What's that, New York Times?

Iraq had a nuclear program all along? And George Bush did nothing to stop it?

I guess he was too busy removing Saddam from power and preventing him from getting WMD that he had no time to focus on what was really important in the region, like ah, removing Saddam from power and preventing him from getting Weapons of Mass Destrution. Now, wait a minute...

102 posted on 11/02/2006 7:46:31 PM PST by wai-ming
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To: pollyannaish
So this certainly isn't new

Exactly

But what is new .. the NYT is admittig that Bush was right .. Saddam was working on trying to get nukes

103 posted on 11/02/2006 7:46:42 PM PST by Mo1 (Senator Kerry's response to the military ~ Let me make this is crystal clear, I apologize to no one)
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To: West Coast Conservative

the iranians, with millions and probably billions in money available to fund nuclear science and research, AND with the assistance of a host of bad nations, including Russia, China, North Korea, and at one time Libya, AND with active centrifuges working or in stages of development, had no idea how to actually develop a nuclear device UNTIL the US put up some captured iraqi drawings.......


104 posted on 11/02/2006 7:46:43 PM PST by GodfearingTexan
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To: mylife

Hello,

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Glad to be here, MOgirl


105 posted on 11/02/2006 7:47:01 PM PST by MOgirl (The Great Pumpkin did arrive....and he brought a PRESENT!!)
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To: jveritas
I repeat the question...

Why is the Democrat Party so afraid of a free and open Iraq? It seems to me the Dems started turning against the war in mass when the capture of these documents was revealed and we learned what meticulous record keepers the Iraqis were. There are things in these documents the Dems don't want us to find. I long ago predicted that if the Dems regain control of Congress they would move quickly to do whatever it takes to get this website shut down.

106 posted on 11/02/2006 7:47:17 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( I am sitting under my cone of silence, inside a copper wire cage wearing a tin foil hat...)
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To: pollyannaish

you have freep mail


107 posted on 11/02/2006 7:47:48 PM PST by mware
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To: KingKenrod; KevinDavis
The Bush administration did so under pressure from Congressional Republicans

And there, ladies and gentleman, is the bombshell! It was the CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS that made them do it.

Bwahahahaha! Kevin, you are right. The worst hit-piece ever. Hahaha!

108 posted on 11/02/2006 7:48:59 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: jveritas
Forward this reply regarding the New York Times article to all our side of the media if you can and whenever you can:

"Saddam was not supposed to keep any documents related or the Know How of how to make WMD whether its Chemical Weapons, biological weapons, or nuclear weapons. If Saddam regime kept such documents of the "Know How" to build a nuclear weapon then they clearly violated the UN sanctions against them and it proves without any shadow of doubt that they wanted to rebuild their nuclear program".

Regards; jveritas.

"Let's Roll, Freepers. Let's get this on the news tomorrow - tomorrows really the last day to get anything going that will effect Tues.

Media emails – the formula: if they hear from 40 tp 45 people on a story, they will cover it. CAUTION: do not mass email - they won’t look at it – email singly.

See my next post below for media email addresses - including e.d hills - she's s tiger...

109 posted on 11/02/2006 7:50:52 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: pollyannaish

and it was pressure from Congressional Republicans because the NYTimes only reported select information that was leaked.


110 posted on 11/02/2006 7:51:02 PM PST by mware
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To: jveritas

Media emails – the formula: if they hear from 40 tp 45 people on a story, they will cover it.
CAUTION: do not mass email - they won’t look at it – email singly


e.d.hill@foxnews.com


Brit.Hume@foxnews.com
Special@foxnews.com
Hannity@foxnews.com
Oreilly@foxnews.com
Special@foxnews.com (Brit Hume)
Studiob@foxnews.com (Shepard Smith)
hardball@msnbc.com
myword@foxnews.com (John Gibson)
Drudge@drudgereport.com
captainsquartersblog.com
writemalkin@gmail.com
hhewitt@hughhewitt.com
pundit@instapundit.com
powerlinefeedback@gmail.com
Rush@eibnet.com
Intelligence@senate.gov
captain@captainsquartersblog.com
Pete.King@mail.house.gov
letters@nytimes.com
joe@msnbc.com

And here, for perusing, is e. d. ‘s own web site-

www.hillfriends.com


111 posted on 11/02/2006 7:51:08 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: Mo1

It would be new if they weren't suffering from BDS. They THINK they are being clever.


112 posted on 11/02/2006 7:51:10 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: West Coast Conservative

I'm sure Iran's nuclear program is as advanced as Hussein's ever was.


113 posted on 11/02/2006 7:51:22 PM PST by Alfonso1000
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To: pollyannaish
They THINK they are being clever.

shouldn't play poker with a Texas cowboy -

114 posted on 11/02/2006 7:53:18 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: Alfonso1000

President Bush is finally being vindicated.


115 posted on 11/02/2006 7:53:48 PM PST by 1035rep
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Why is the Democrat Party so afraid of a free and open Iraq?

If I was to take a guess .. for the same reason they were making friends in South America in the 1980's ???

And the same reason they defended Castro, Arafat and a few other terrorists

116 posted on 11/02/2006 7:54:07 PM PST by Mo1 (Senator Kerry's response to the military ~ Let me make this is crystal clear, I apologize to no one)
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To: mware

It's funny to me that they used them specifically...since they obviously feel that is their greatest chance at gaining control.

Very transparent.


117 posted on 11/02/2006 7:55:26 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: CptRepublican
Among the dozens of documents in English were Iraqi reports written in the 1990’s and in 2002 for United Nations inspectors in charge of making sure Iraq abandoned its unconventional arms programs after the Persian Gulf war. Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away.

Okay, if that's the NYT's November surprise, well then...

118 posted on 11/02/2006 7:55:46 PM PST by LikeLight (RYMB)
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To: maine-iac7

LOL.


119 posted on 11/02/2006 7:55:53 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: West Coast Conservative

This is really absurd. Iran got their info from A.Q. Khan. He must have known how to build a bomb, his worked for Pakistan. It's not "know how" the Iranians lack, it's fissionable material.


120 posted on 11/02/2006 7:57:01 PM PST by pawdoggie
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To: steadcom
The DUmmies are going to go nuclear (nuclear) if this gets the old "Rovian Twist" and ends up proving "Bush was right!" Which we all know, but the sheeple out there have been brainwashed to forget.

I am trying to remember where I saw a quote about the Bush Administration not giving up the fight about WMDs. I think it was Mac Ranger's site, and his source said, (paraphrasing)"The Dems wanted to make this about Bush lying about WMDs, and he has let them pile on and on, but he is NOT going to let them have the last word. They started it, and he is going to damn-well finish it."

It sounded really ominous--in a good way. Maybe this NYTimes hit piece will turn on them. Ooooh that would be so great!

And the DUmmies are so easily duped. The docs that I've seen are dated from the 90s to right before the Iraq invasion. How utterly illiterate must one be to become a DUmmie, anyway? What a bunch of dolts.
121 posted on 11/02/2006 7:57:42 PM PST by Shelayne (...And though my heart is torn, I will praise You in this storm... ~~Casting Crowns)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Bush didn't lie!!! Bush didn't lie!!!


122 posted on 11/02/2006 7:57:46 PM PST by Hattie
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To: LikeLight

National Review All Over This

http://tks.nationalreview.com/


123 posted on 11/02/2006 7:58:10 PM PST by CptRepublican (Relax....)
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To: West Coast Conservative

http://americanthinker.com/comments.php?comments_id=6518


124 posted on 11/02/2006 7:58:49 PM PST by the Real fifi
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To: jveritas

You da man. {;0)


125 posted on 11/02/2006 7:59:25 PM PST by cibco (Xin Loi! Saddam)
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To: Alfonso1000
I'm sure Iran's nuclear program is as advanced as Hussein's ever was.

that's the icing on the cake. Everyone with half a brain knows this but they are so blinded by hate and so panicked for something - anything - that they fell into it - They have the same disdain for the American public that Kerry et al have for the military.

Funny thing is, if we get this up and running and they get slammed into oblivion with it - and the election doesn't go their way - they'll never understand why, because, like Kerry, these people are incapable of realizing they could be wrong...

126 posted on 11/02/2006 7:59:29 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: pawdoggie
It's not "know how" the Iranians lack, it's fissionable material.

Well, at least we don't have to worry about *that*. /s
127 posted on 11/02/2006 8:00:02 PM PST by RedCell ("...thou shalt kill thine enemy before he killeth you by any means available" - Dick Marcinko)
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To: maine-iac7

The MSM feeds off ignorance.


128 posted on 11/02/2006 8:01:29 PM PST by Alfonso1000
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To: CptRepublican
The antiwar crowd is going to have to argue that the information somehow wasn't dangerous in the hands of Saddam Hussein, but was dangerous posted on the Internet. It doesn't work. It can't be both no threat to America and yet also somehow a threat to America once it's in the hands of Iran. Game, set, and match.

And there you have it straight from the National Review.

129 posted on 11/02/2006 8:02:15 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: CptRepublican

The NRO article is very crisp, logical and succinct.

Let's hope the WH takes notice.


130 posted on 11/02/2006 8:02:22 PM PST by mwl1
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To: CptRepublican

Seems everyone realizes what the Times is doing .. except the Times .. LOL


131 posted on 11/02/2006 8:02:40 PM PST by Mo1 (Senator Kerry's response to the military ~ Let me make this is crystal clear, I apologize to no one)
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To: okie01
I had a feeling they were ahead of Iraq. Plus the Chinese had obtained the W-88 info (thanks to the Clinton Admin). The ChiComs were advanced enough and have a history of transferring tech and weapons. Iran, IIRC, has been a good consumer of ChiCom products. I'm sure they also gained some intellectual help from China and Pakistan. Nice try NYT.

At least this brings light on the fact of how advanced Saddam was, blowing the kool-aid lib's "Bush lied" theme out of the water.

132 posted on 11/02/2006 8:02:42 PM PST by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: pollyannaish

Exactly, They think they just nailed Bush. In reality they just handed Bush a silver bullet. I hope Rove et al plays this right. Let the MSM harp on this from now until Tuesday. Its political suicide for the Dems, and their too stupid to realize it. If they play it right this could be the greatest act of political Judo in modern times.


133 posted on 11/02/2006 8:05:57 PM PST by darkmatter ("Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster" William T. Sherman)
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To: mwl1
I'm not trusting that this is all until tomorrow.

I'm pretty sure this is it. The Times posts its' headlines on its' website the night before the print copy comes out and this is what they've posted.

134 posted on 11/02/2006 8:06:18 PM PST by blake6900 (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
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To: CptRepublican

Rove is so masterful it's terrifying!

First, he makes Jon Carry come out and fire up the GOP base to white hot "broken glass" status...

Now, he makes the NYT come out and proclaim BUSH WAS RIGHT on Iraq and Saddam's WMD...

Good God, what might be next? I'm thinkin' he'll make Algore do something hilarious, just for one last big laugh.


135 posted on 11/02/2006 8:06:21 PM PST by LikeLight (RYMB)
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To: Mo1
Hello,

I have this vision of the powers that be at the NYT, running and screaming at the top of their lungs, "STOP THE PRESSES!".

However, I am sure that the powers that be at the NYT are currently attending a very trendy and upscale dinner party, bragging to all the other trendy and upscale "important" people that they have FINALLY published the story that will take Hitler (...sorry, Bush..) down....

I smiled as I wrote that, I couldn't help it....

Glad to be here, MOgirl
136 posted on 11/02/2006 8:08:37 PM PST by MOgirl (The Great Pumpkin did arrive....and he brought a PRESENT!!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

By the NYT no less.


137 posted on 11/02/2006 8:08:40 PM PST by SCHROLL (Liberalism isn't a political philosophy - it's a mental illness)
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To: LikeLight

Here is the rebuttal to the NY Slimes

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/1/7/120534.shtml

Clinton Scheme Gave Iran Nuke Blueprints


138 posted on 11/02/2006 8:10:11 PM PST by CptRepublican (Relax....)
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To: West Coast Conservative
So the NYTimes is saying Saddam was close to building a nuke in 2002?

This is like terrorists blowing themselves up while planting an IED!

HA!

139 posted on 11/02/2006 8:10:43 PM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

A lot of you are saying that the NYT's position has been that Saddam NEVER had a nuke program. I always thought that most lefties admit that he did have one in the 90s, but was dismantled before 2003, is that wrong?


140 posted on 11/02/2006 8:10:58 PM PST by scsscs
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To: scsscs

Dismantling would include destroying the documents. The major point is Sadam had dangerous information. From NRO:

The antiwar crowd is going to have to argue that the information somehow wasn’t dangerous in the hands of Saddam Hussein, but was dangerous posted on the Internet. It doesn’t work. It can’t be both no threat to America and yet also somehow a threat to America once it’s in the hands of Iran.


141 posted on 11/02/2006 8:13:37 PM PST by CptRepublican (Relax....)
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To: West Coast Conservative
“For the U.S. to toss a match into this flammable area is very irresponsible,” said A. Bryan Siebert, a former director of classification at the federal Department of Energy, which runs the nation’s nuclear arms program. “There’s a lot of things about nuclear weapons that are secret and should remain so.”

Perhaps Mr. Siebert should have passed this brainstorm on to Krintong. He didn't seem to understand the concept.

142 posted on 11/02/2006 8:13:45 PM PST by blake6900 (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
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To: KingKenrod

If this was supposed to be a hit piece on the Bush administration, it has failed miserably.


143 posted on 11/02/2006 8:16:21 PM PST by jess35
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To: mwl1
Hope the WH is smart enough to point out ...

Bush is famous for letting others seem to be the ones that accomplished the deed - he doesn't care that he doesn't get the credit as long as a thing gets done.

This might be the ultimate - he tricks the enemy into providing the information and, ultimately, delivering a big coup for our side -

144 posted on 11/02/2006 8:16:38 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: LikeLight; jveritas

Maybe I'm just really tired, but the NYT article seems to read that all the nuke docs are PRE Persian Gulf War and the reference in the article to Iraq "being as little as a year away" is referring to the timeframe before the Persian Gulf War and NOT 2002. I know that jveritas said Iraq even having nuke plans is a no-no but the Dems could argue that "everyone knew Iraq had a nuke program before the Persian Gulf War so that is old news, just like all the WMD's that have been found are pre Persian Gulf War so they don't really count" They will say this does not prove Bush right but rather incompetent.

Could this not be as bullet proof as we hope it is? What say you jveritas?


145 posted on 11/02/2006 8:17:30 PM PST by steadcom
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To: blake6900
“For the U.S. to toss a match into this flammable area is very irresponsible,” said A. Bryan Siebert, a former director of classification at the federal Department of Energy, which runs the nation’s nuclear arms program. “There’s a lot of things about nuclear weapons that are secret and should remain so.”

I wonder if he worked for the woman who wanted to do away with the restricted area security passes?

146 posted on 11/02/2006 8:17:45 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( I am sitting under my cone of silence, inside a copper wire cage wearing a tin foil hat...)
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To: West Coast Conservative
The director of national intelligence, John D. Negroponte, had resisted setting up the Web site, which some intelligence officials felt implicitly raised questions about the competence and judgment of government analysts. But President Bush approved the site’s creation after Congressional Republicans proposed legislation to force the documents’ release.

And this is why the Times has reported this story in the way they've reported it. These documents were all part of the documents that proved what the president had been saying all along about Iraq's quest for WMD.

First the Times says there were no reasons to go to war. The administraton and GOP says, "Yes, there were and we have the documents to prove it." Then the documents to prove it are shown and now the Times says it was irresponsible for the administration to show the proof.

Typical liberal argument. But too little, too late. The idea that Bush is responsible for Iran's future ability to produce a nuclear weapon is such a reach ti's laughable particularly since the website posting the documents has only been up since March of this year.

147 posted on 11/02/2006 8:24:38 PM PST by blake6900 (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
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To: jveritas

For the sake of history, thank you for the translations. I hope your efforts receive the proper recognition someday.


148 posted on 11/02/2006 8:28:35 PM PST by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: steadcom

NYT: "Among the dozens of documents in English were Iraqi reports written in the 1990’s and in 2002 for United Nations inspectors in charge of making sure Iraq abandoned its unconventional arms programs after the Persian Gulf war. Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away"

Notice the two phrases 1990s and 2002. How can Iraq be "as little as a year away" from building a bomb if they were referring to the 1990s (an entire decade)? When in the 1990s WHat year is he talking about? Unless the writer is referring to a SPECIFIC YEAR (ie 2002) the statement: "as little as a year away" makes no sense.


149 posted on 11/02/2006 8:28:37 PM PST by darkmatter ("Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster" William T. Sherman)
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To: Mo1

Keep an eye on Ortega. He could win Nicaragua's presidential election on Sunday - to Kerry's delight.


150 posted on 11/02/2006 8:30:00 PM PST by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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