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Market for space odysseys growing astronomically
Times Online ^ | 3 Sep 06 | David Robertson

Posted on 09/02/2006 5:39:43 PM PDT by saganite

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To: Jaysun
It seems so pointless to me.

I'm sure someone told Columbus the same thing...
21 posted on 09/02/2006 7:19:57 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: burzum

I have to agree with Jaysun on the waste. Where is the big wheel with cintrepital gravity allowing for coninuous habitation? Where are the Lunar colonies? These things could be done. These would be real steps into space. What we have is an outrageously expensive low-Earth-orbit program reduced to bragging about zero G high school science fair projects.

I have watched the Shuttle take off, and I have had the fortune to see it come in over West Texas pre-dawn. Spectacular, the latter more so than the launch. Compared to a Saturn V launch...well, ya had to be there.

More than any other factor, the Saturn V was still on the optimistic, we are going there curve. The Shuttle is now on the "let's hold on to our jobs" curve. None of the Apollo astronauts would have believed me if I had told them then that 35 years later we would never have gone to the moon again. I will always remember where I was when Armstrong (sliightly) flubbed his lines. Can you remember with that vivedness any shuttle cruise that did not result in death?

The Shuttle program has racked up a one in fifty fatality rate. We would regard this as unacceptable for fighter pilots on combat missions, I believe the rate there is 2 orders of magnitude better.

I will say this: if I were offered a chance to go up and told my chance of returning alive was 50/50, it would require physical restraint to keep me off that flying bomb.


22 posted on 09/02/2006 7:21:04 PM PDT by barkeep (Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc)
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To: mugs99
Been in orbit since July 12 and not even a mention?

Sad, is it not? You'd think it could be squeezed into the news broadcast between stories of tom cruise or j-lo.
23 posted on 09/02/2006 7:22:30 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40

It is sad. Celebrities and crotch topics are more important than American ingenuity!


24 posted on 09/02/2006 7:36:31 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: barkeep
I will say this: if I were offered a chance to go up and told my chance of returning alive was 50/50, it would require physical restraint to keep me off that flying bomb.
Lol!
I'd ride that rocket on a 50/50 chance too!


Orbiting 1,075 miles above the Earth, a 250 foot wide, inflated, reinforced nylon "wheel"...Looks more like Bigelow than NASA!
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25 posted on 09/02/2006 7:57:57 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: mugs99

The module Bigelow put up was based on NASA research on composite materials with the aim of building modules like the one up there now. They abandoned the program but let Bigelow have access to all their research and patents and even consulted with Bigelow on the project. The lead engineer at Bigelow ran the NASA program until they cancelled it then he went with Bigelow. The major advantage Bigelow has over NASA is the ability to control costs and cut the red tape.

The original module has performed so well that Bigelow announced there will be a major course correction in the program early next year. They had planned to launch several of these small test articles but I'm betting he's going to announce they will move on to the next stage and cancel the intervening tests.


26 posted on 09/02/2006 9:06:43 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Jaysun

NASA has become welfare for engineers and managers.

Disband it, use the money for prizes (like in the early days of aviation) for demonstrated accomplishment by private groups.


27 posted on 09/02/2006 9:08:29 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: P-40
I'm sure someone told Columbus the same thing...

It's quite a bit different in several ways.

-Columbus had clear goals such as spreading Christianity, establishing trade, and locating resources that were immediately usable.

-Columbus' destination came conveniently equipped with breathable air, suitable temperatures, food, water, etc.

-Columbus' success or failure would be easily measurable. That is, he'd either find land or he wouldn't. He couldn't anchor a raft in the middle of the ocean and return home claiming victory because he built an outpost for future exploration.

Nevertheless, you're right that he did face opposition. He had to lobby the Spanish court for nearly seven years to convince them that the idea was worthwhile.
28 posted on 09/02/2006 9:20:41 PM PDT by Jaysun (Idiot Muslims. They're just dying to have sex orgies.)
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To: saganite

Interesting...Private enterprise can do it cheaper!


29 posted on 09/02/2006 9:21:54 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: saganite
Here are your images of the SMART 1 final moments.

SMART 1 smackdown

According to the story there was a visible flash seen by some earth based telescopes.
30 posted on 09/03/2006 4:44:12 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: saganite
The Russians were the first to recognise that tourism could be used to fund other space activities and in two weeks they will carry their fourth paying customer to the International Space Station. Anousheh Ansari, who lives in Texas, has paid $20 million for the trip on the Soyuz rocket.

Interesting woman. She emigrated from Iran to the US after the Iranian Revolution because they wouldn't let woman study science and engineering. Eventually with her husband she forms a couple of extremely successful companies. Later she and her husband invest in the X-Prize and other space related companies. It is amazing what a woman can do if you don't put a burka on her!

Oh, and the obligatory photo:

31 posted on 09/03/2006 5:42:27 AM PDT by burzum (Despair not! I shall inspire you by charging blindly on!--Minsc, BG2)
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To: RightWhale; Brett66; xrp; gdc314; anymouse; NonZeroSum; jimkress; discostu; The_Victor; ...
I'm back....


32 posted on 09/03/2006 12:05:46 PM PDT by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: burzum; All
Only in America where can a person flee the mullahs and prosper and get a chance to go into space...
33 posted on 09/03/2006 12:11:11 PM PDT by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: burzum

Hmmmmmm.......


34 posted on 09/03/2006 12:25:51 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: monkapotamus
Close Encounters was just on. That picture reminds me of the scene when Dreyfus gets to the top.

Must be the lights.

35 posted on 09/03/2006 12:28:10 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: burzum; Shuttle Shucker

Separated at birth? :)

36 posted on 09/03/2006 1:04:27 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: saganite

> Lockheed Martin winning a $4 billion (£2.1 billion) contract from Nasa...

Nasa? Who or what the hell is Nasa? Or do they mean *NASA*?

Friggen ignorant Europeans...


37 posted on 09/03/2006 2:31:36 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: anymouse

Both women are (or in Counselor Troi's case were) attractive, and wealthy enough to be able to marry for love instead of money.

Anyhow, on a different subject, might anyone here know whether Iraq's democratically elected president is closely aligned with those asinine mullahs? Iranian acquaintances here in the states tell me the mullahs are what keep the elected government there from doing what the voters want. The Iranian president is visiting the USA perhaps this week and maybe there's more common ground than some think. Or perhaps he's a flaming nutcase like some have told me. I admit to my ignorance as I've focused on a different country's political chaos lately (Mexico).


38 posted on 09/03/2006 3:47:11 PM PDT by Shuttle Shucker
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To: monkapotamus

Great picture. Might there be any neat discoveries awaiting us on the Moon that are even remotely as interesting as that [Tyco?] monolith? It could be that artifacts (even merely an alien ship's thruster) survived up there while our planet's wet climate caused similar ones to corrode and vanish with time. Or maybe the ocean covered 'em. The universe is pretty vast though. Seems kind of unlikely that they'd have stopped by unless they've got literally out-of-this-world transportation technology. Rant rant rant :-)


39 posted on 09/03/2006 3:51:48 PM PDT by Shuttle Shucker
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To: burzum
How much longer? :-)
40 posted on 09/03/2006 3:54:05 PM PDT by Shuttle Shucker
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