The Golitsyn Predictions

Mark Riebling ^ | 08-17-06 | Mark Riebling

[brain bleeds red]

The Russians and the Chinese are not our friends.

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[Jet Jaguar]

Important post. Thanks.

[phs3]

ping for later

[tentmaker]

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[brain bleeds red]

Essentially what this post says is that the Russians and the Chinese STILL want to attack us. It says that the Russians realized they couldn't defeat us militarily and so decided to defeat us by trickery and deceit.

This involved us thinking the Cold War was over, the dissolution of the Soviet Union, their infiltration of our intelligence agencies, them feeding us disinformation, all culminating in their eventual attack.

There has never been clearer evidence of this fact. The question is, is it too late?

[freedomfiter2]

Golitsyn's analysis was as little appreciated within CIA as it was in the outside world.

The John Birch Society took him seriously.

[brain bleeds red]

I'm not sure what that means, but if Golitsyn was right, the Russians would obviously have their agents declaring him "unreliable", "inaccurate", whatever you can come up with. I just blogged about this.

[mkjessup]

A good article, bump for later reading, thanks! :)

[thestob]

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[iThinkBig]

Essentially what this post says is that the Russians and the Chinese STILL want to attack us. It says that the "Russians realized they couldn't defeat us militarily and so decided to defeat us by trickery and deceit.

This involved us thinking the Cold War was over, the dissolution of the Soviet Union, their infiltration of our intelligence agencies, them feeding us disinformation, all culminating in their eventual attack.

There has never been clearer evidence of this fact. The question is, is it too late?"

A thought that sometimes keeps me up at night is what if they found a way to launch a nuclear attack but disarm our ability to counter-attack? They would then dominate the globe.

[hosepipe]

Both democrats and republicans "LOVE" to be told what they want to hear..
Same here on FR mostly...

[GarySpFc]

Are you aware of the fallacy in worshiping at the alter of Golytsin? I've noticed that a lot of posts seem based upon the works of Golytsin and the dupes he uses to proliferate his false prophecies. What is incredible is the fact that the Golytsin-ites (let's call them "Phoney Patriots") believe the following (not an all inclusive list):

1.) The collapse of the Soviet Union is a ruse: This means Ronald Reagan and the rest of the great men and women who carried out his plans to finish with the Soviet Union once and for all were just dupes and didn't really accomplish what they set out for.

2.) The communist bloc is just playing dead waiting to strike: Once again, a laughable charge. And when levied by people who include Ukrainians and Poles on their ping lists is even funnier. If you believe in Golytsin surely you would realize that the "Poles and Ukrainians" are all in on the Soviet plot..... (ridiculous, isn't it?)

3.) Golytsin is an honest broker serving the free world: Golytsin tells us that the KGB cannot be trusted. Wait a sec, that's a good statement, but WHO is Golytsin? A KGB agent. That's right. He's a KGB agent. But, wait, you say he defected so that means he's an honest broker - ok, but Golytsin tells you NOT to believe KGB defecters (except for him of course) because they are fake defecters and sent "to sully his reputation".. But, to believe that you'd have to, once again, believe Golytsin over loyal American officials who have determined otherwise. So, what you've actually done is place your faith in a "former" KGB agent over your fellow Americans.

And, btw, that means you believe a "former" KGB whose sole purpose in life seems to be making $$$ off of sullying the legacy of Ronald Reagan.

Can you imagine if Aldrich Ames had defected and then, after his usefulness to the KGB had run out, he made a living in Russia writing books about how the US's sole purpose in life was to enslave the Slavic world? You'd think that ANY Russian who believed such a man who betrayed his own country was an idiot - wouldn't you? Now think about Golytsin....

[mkjessup]

Those are substantial arguments and I have to agree that they are effectively irrefutable.

An excellent counterpost.

[Cold Heart]

Oh boy, you used the word irrefutible.

Look at it a different way.

We were crushing them and they were failing. Basically they went chapter 11 so they could stay in business.

[GarySpFc]

Look at it a different way.
We were crushing them and they were failing. Basically they went chapter 11 so they could stay in business.

Let's consider your different way.
Are you saying that is the way you wish it was, it could be, it may be, or is it just wild speculation on your part?

[Scotsman will be Free]

Let's suppose that the commies had the play possum plan. If so, they miscalculated, because the momentum of change overcame them, and they have been relegated to the ash heap of history.

[brain bleeds red]

These are not irrefutable arguments at all, in fact you really don't address Golitsyn's theories at all. Let me address them for a second:
1.) The collapse of the Soviet Union is a ruse: This means Ronald Reagan and the rest of the great men and women who carried out his plans to finish with the Soviet Union once and for all were just dupes and didn't really accomplish what they set out for.
So Ronald Reagan could NEVER have been fooled? That's it? You're saying Reagan was infallible? I would say you underestimate your enemy, my friend.

2.) The communist bloc is just playing dead waiting to strike: Once again, a laughable charge. And when levied by people who include Ukrainians and Poles on their ping lists is even funnier. If you believe in Golytsin surely you would realize that the "Poles and Ukrainians" are all in on the Soviet plot..... (ridiculous, isn't it?)

You don't say why it's a laughable charge, so I'm assuming we're all supposed to know already or you just suck at providing evidence. But you misrepresent the argument. They are not "playing dead waiting to strike". Apparently you are not as well versed on Golitsyn as you claim to be, or you are intentionally spreading misinformation. Golitsyn's assertion was the groups like the European Union, NAFTA, and the like were to become regional blocs with the intent of eventually taking away the US's sovereignty.

3.) Golytsin is an honest broker serving the free world: Golytsin tells us that the KGB cannot be trusted. Wait a sec, that's a good statement, but WHO is Golytsin? A KGB agent. That's right. He's a KGB agent. But, wait, you say he defected so that means he's an honest broker - ok, but Golytsin tells you NOT to believe KGB defecters (except for him of course) because they are fake defecters and sent "to sully his reputation".. But, to believe that you'd have to, once again, believe Golytsin over loyal American officials who have determined otherwise. So, what you've actually done is place your faith in a "former" KGB agent over your fellow Americans.

Okay, so your argument here is NEVER trust ANYTHING Russians have to say if it CONTRADICTS anything Any American official says.

[brain bleeds red]

These are not irrefutable arguments at all, in fact you really don't address Golitsyn's theories at all. Let me address them for a second:
1.) The collapse of the Soviet Union is a ruse: This means Ronald Reagan and the rest of the great men and women who carried out his plans to finish with the Soviet Union once and for all were just dupes and didn't really accomplish what they set out for.
So Ronald Reagan could NEVER have been fooled? That's it? You're saying Reagan was infallible? I would say you underestimate your enemy, my friend.

2.) The communist bloc is just playing dead waiting to strike: Once again, a laughable charge. And when levied by people who include Ukrainians and Poles on their ping lists is even funnier. If you believe in Golytsin surely you would realize that the "Poles and Ukrainians" are all in on the Soviet plot..... (ridiculous, isn't it?)

You don't say why it's a laughable charge, so I'm assuming we're all supposed to know already or you just suck at providing evidence. But you misrepresent the argument. They are not "playing dead waiting to strike". Apparently you are not as well versed on Golitsyn as you claim to be, or you are intentionally spreading misinformation. Golitsyn's assertion was the groups like the European Union, NAFTA, and the like were to become regional blocs with the intent of eventually taking away the US's sovereignty.

3.) Golytsin is an honest broker serving the free world: Golytsin tells us that the KGB cannot be trusted. Wait a sec, that's a good statement, but WHO is Golytsin? A KGB agent. That's right. He's a KGB agent. But, wait, you say he defected so that means he's an honest broker - ok, but Golytsin tells you NOT to believe KGB defecters (except for him of course) because they are fake defecters and sent "to sully his reputation".. But, to believe that you'd have to, once again, believe Golytsin over loyal American officials who have determined otherwise. So, what you've actually done is place your faith in a "former" KGB agent over your fellow Americans.

Okay, so your argument here is NEVER trust ANYTHING Russians have to say if it CONTRADICTS anything Any American official says.

[litehaus]

My memory says our "Intel Folks" said, after WW2, that the Soviets would be TEN YEARS in getting 'the bomb.'-------I can't count to 10 between 45 and 49...........

[308MBR]

Watch what happens to us when the Chinese, Iran and Saudis don't show up at the fed's little bond auction.

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