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Army dismisses gay soldier 'outed' by e-mail
AP ^ | 7/27/6 | DUNCAN MANSFIELD

Posted on 07/27/2006 7:39:00 AM PDT by SmithL

JOHNSON CITY, Tenn. (AP) - A decorated sergeant and Arabic language specialist was dismissed from the U.S. Army under the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, though he says he never admitted being gay and his accuser was never identified.

Bleu Copas, 30, told The Associated Press he is gay, but said he was "outed" by a stream of anonymous e-mails to his superiors in the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg, N.C.

"I knew the policy going in," Copas said in an interview on the campus of East Tennessee State University, where he is pursuing a master's degree in counseling and working as a student adviser. "I knew it was going to be difficult."

An eight-month Army investigation culminated in Copas' honorable discharge on Jan. 30 _ less than four years after he enlisted, he said, out of a post-Sept. 11 sense of duty to his country.

Copas now carries the discharge papers, which mention his awards and citations, so he can document his military service for prospective employers. But the papers also give the reason for his dismissal.

He plans to appeal to the Army Board for Correction of Military Records.

The "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, established in 1993, prohibits the military from inquiring about the sex lives of service members, but requires discharges of those who openly acknowledge being gay.

The policy is becoming "a very effective weapon of vengeance in the armed forces" said Steve Ralls, a spokesman for the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, a Washington-based watchdog organization that counseled Copas and is working to repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell."

Copas said he was never open about his sexuality in the military and suspects his accuser was someone he mistakenly befriended and apparently slighted.

More than 11,000 service members have been dismissed under the policy, including 726 last year _ an 11 percent jump from 2004 and the first increase since 2001.

That's less than a half-percent of the more than 2 million soldiers, sailors and Marines dismissed for all reasons since 1993, according to the General Accountability Office.

But the GAO also noted that nearly 800 dismissed gay or lesbian service members had critical abilities, including 300 with important language skills. Fifty-five were proficient in Arabic, including Copas, a graduate of the Defense Language Institute in California.

Discharging and replacing them has cost the Pentagon nearly $369 million, according to the Center for the Study of Sexual Minorities in the Military at the University of California, Santa Barbara.

Lt. Col. James Zellmer, Copas' commanding officer in the 313th military intelligence battalion, told the AP that "the evidence clearly indicated that Sgt. Copas had engaged in homosexual acts."

While investigators were never able to determine who the accuser was, "in the end, the nature and the volume of the evidence and Sgt. Copas's own sworn statement led me to discharge him," Zellmer said.

Military investigators wrote that Copas "engaged in at least three homosexual relationships, and is dealing with at least two jealous lovers, either of whom could be the anonymous source providing this information."

Shortly after Copas was appointed to the 82nd Airborne's highly visible All-American Chorus last May, the first e-mail came to the chorus director.

"The director brought everyone into the hallway and told us about this e-mail they had just received and blatantly asked, 'Which one of you are gay?'" Copas said.

Copas later complained to the director and his platoon sergeant, saying the questions violated "Don't Ask, Don't Tell."

"They said they would watch it in the future," Copas said. "And they said, even specifically then, 'Well, you are not gay are you?' And I said, 'no.'"

The accuser, who signed his e-mails "John Smith" or "ftbraggman," pressed Copas' superiors to take action against him or "I will inform your entire battalion of the information that I gave you."

On Dec. 2, investigators formally interviewed Copas and asked if he understood the military's policy on homosexuals, if he had any close acquaintances who were gay, and if he was involved in community theater. He answered affirmatively.

But Copas declined to answer when they asked, "Have you ever engaged in homosexual activity or conduct?" He refused to answer 19 of 47 questions before he asked for a lawyer and the interrogation stopped.

Copas said he accepted the honorable discharge to end the ordeal, to avoid lying about his sexuality and risking a perjury charge, and to keep friends from being targeted.

"It is unfair. It is unjust," he said. "Even with the policy we have, it should never have happened."


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To: whatisthetruth
To: whatisthetruth Yep, I agree. The reason our culture has broken down and gotten to this point is we let the Left push things to this point. At some point ground has to be held and the imbeciles told to STFU and sit the hell back down.

Until the Pro-Militant-Homosexual-Agenda-Pushers both on Freep & in their home base, the Democrat Party of America and it's assorted degenerate NAMBLA minions state that they fully support the "right" of gay siblings of the same sex to marry - then this whole homosexual agenda push by the Left and it's sympathizers is pure bullshit and disingenuous. It's a smokescreen to the Leftist agenda in general and we all know it.

It goes right back to the same thing - Gays and their supporters want a new "protected class" of "victims" and they want access to money,grants, special "rights" and ultimately a national right to marry and that it be accepted in all states no matter what you and the folks in your particular state have to say about it.

Let's hear the Left and the various hard core homosexual supporters here state why open gays should be accepted by the military BUT that two homosexual brothers or two homosexual sisters cannot marry.

Can't answer that lucidly? Didn't think so. Check and mate.

DADT - that's as far as we'll compromise. Don't like it? Move to another nation more to your liking.

This whole RED Herring premise that "Oh my GOD! If we don't hire Gays in our 1,200,000 man military (varying number up or down any given day) then WE CAN'T WIN ANY WARS!

Pure rubbish. That premise is a pantload. What a total crock and only idiots on the Left would belive or try to pitch some crap like that.

Besides, the last thing the DemocRATS are in favor of is America winning any wars. The RAT party has a long history of being opposed to America and there is no sugar coating it.
201 posted on 07/27/2006 4:04:36 PM PDT by Retired Army Special Forces
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To: Retired Army Special Forces
Actually if you would do your research you would see that I have spoken out several times in these forums against gay issues especially gay marriage. I have never spoken out for democrats or their anti American antics.

But that doesn't matter Cause people like you don't care about research or the facts you are set in your ways and will never change them. A gay man or woman could save your life in combat or in any situation and once you found out they were gay you would tell them to leave you there and let you continue to be hurt. All becuase you believe in stearotypes to much.
202 posted on 07/27/2006 4:09:35 PM PDT by FloridianBushFan (I support National Security. I SUPPORT HR4437 . Katherine Harris for Senate)
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To: TheGunny

Actually no its not. Marines think they are all bad ass and so much better then the other services. That is far from the truth. Members of all branches have discipline and stick by their fellow sailors, airman and soldiers. There are bad apples in every branch of service including the Marines. Marines are no better then anyone else in fact sometimes far from it.


203 posted on 07/27/2006 4:12:51 PM PDT by FloridianBushFan (I support National Security. I SUPPORT HR4437 . Katherine Harris for Senate)
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To: FloridianBushFan
And your failure to understand that DADT is as far as the majority of Conservatives will go on this issue is because ___________?

Dropped on your head when young were you? Surprised to finally come up against limits on the advance of the homosexual agenda from true conservatives - are you? You are trolling your Red Herring and set up your Straw Man over and over like a broken record. What part about DADT to you not understand?

You violate DADT and get caught, you are out and that is just the way it is. If you follow DADT then nobody will mess with you. It's called CHOICE. I really don't care if Leftists don't like it. They can STFU, which is pretty much the only answer you can give to those "STUCK ON STUPID".

Whatever. This thread is gay enough without arguing with gay worshipers. Laterz - got important things to do.
204 posted on 07/27/2006 4:21:50 PM PDT by Retired Army Special Forces
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To: Lucky Dog
Exactly.

If homos want to openly serve, be brave and heroic like the ACLU attorneys and get the nearest black robe judge to declare the UCMJ unconstitutional.

205 posted on 07/27/2006 4:26:09 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions.)
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To: Retired Army Special Forces

Just because you are against gays and don't support them doesn't mean you are a true conservative and just because I believe everyone who is able and want to should have the right to serve and defend their country doesn't make me a democrat. If that is the case then that means you are with the likes of Fred Phelps. Cause in your opinion he is a true conservative he hates gays. He doesn't think they should be in the military in fact he thinks the military is all pro gay. You to might just get along fine. But you do know he is a registered Democrat and a friend of Al Gore. He even hosted fund raisers for Gore and attended the 92 and 96 inaugurations. But hey you both despise gays so I guess either he is a true conservative by your definition or you are a Democrat like him.


206 posted on 07/27/2006 4:33:02 PM PDT by FloridianBushFan (I support National Security. I SUPPORT HR4437 . Katherine Harris for Senate)
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To: FloridianBushFan

Why did you not respond to post #165?


207 posted on 07/27/2006 4:45:21 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: Retired Army Special Forces

I think you assume that all gays have HIV. So I assume that if they don't have HIV you'd be okay with gays in the military? By the way there are ways to get HIV+ without being gay. I'd also not object to a HIV+ person interpreting plans to destroy us. We're talking about national security here.


209 posted on 07/27/2006 5:16:54 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: little jeremiah
" more than 2 million soldiers, sailors and Marines dismissed for all reasons since 1993..."

I am pretty sure that faked asvab scores, faked documents showing age, and financial or family irresponsibillity all make up a bigger chunk of that "all reasons" than homosexuality.

210 posted on 07/27/2006 6:03:04 PM PDT by MrEdd (Any gun owner who votes for a democrat is too stupid to own a gun.)
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To: Lucky Dog; Red Badger
Therefore, your speculation is in the same category of "if frogs had wings...."

But it is unfair that frogs don't have wings. Frogs are kept from their rightfull place in the skies by intollerant hillbillies. They can fly just as good without wings. It is only your unfair biggotry that keeps them down, Dog. Why do you want them to all die? What gives you the right to say they should all be in hell? You hippocrit!!!

Just skipping all the intermediate flame steps /sarc

211 posted on 07/27/2006 6:29:17 PM PDT by MrEdd (Any gun owner who votes for a democrat is too stupid to own a gun.)
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To: MrEdd

Well, thanks for the short cut. It certainly clarifies the situation. Nonetheless, frogs still bump their butts.


212 posted on 07/27/2006 6:45:44 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1; SmithL
Does learning arabic languages make you queer? ;-)

It enables you to read the holy koran in the original, which...never mind.

213 posted on 07/27/2006 6:51:24 PM PDT by MrEdd (Any gun owner who votes for a democrat is too stupid to own a gun.)
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To: abercrombie_guy_38
Some of the attitudes/opinions on here are amazing.

Such as people positing that differences in physical appearance are equivalent to differences in behavior.

214 posted on 07/27/2006 7:00:19 PM PDT by MrEdd (Any gun owner who votes for a democrat is too stupid to own a gun.)
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To: TheSuaveOne
Yeah, and just a few years prior to that the military kept the blacks in the kitchen was regular practice too...la

Making up your own "historical facts" on the fly weakens your arguments. Also denigrating honorable infantrymen and cavalrymen by denying their very existence pisses some of us off.

Semper Fidelis

215 posted on 07/27/2006 7:18:46 PM PDT by MrEdd (Any gun owner who votes for a democrat is too stupid to own a gun.)
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To: Retired Army Special Forces

Heh, heh. You outed him in a heartbeat.


216 posted on 07/27/2006 7:26:48 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with really stupid enemies.)
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To: MrEdd
It enables you to read the holy koran in the original, which...never mind.

I saw Lawrence of Arabia. They said he went native.

217 posted on 07/27/2006 8:29:07 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: TRY ONE

The only nerve you struck was that you never served in the US Military and what you just wrote about serving in a "foxhole" with a gayboy.


218 posted on 07/27/2006 8:33:23 PM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to Pristine. I want to see the "real terrorists", Former Marine)
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To: ma bell

So does one need to be a Priest to decide if it's wrong to be a gay Priest lusting after little boys?!?!?!


219 posted on 07/28/2006 5:06:30 AM PDT by TRY ONE (NUKE the unborn gay whales!)
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To: SmithL; All
Military investigators wrote that Copas "engaged in at least three homosexual relationships, and is dealing with at least two jealous lovers, either of whom could be the anonymous source providing this information."

So, by his actions as a gay man, he is disrupting the regular functioning of his unit (i.e. good order and discipline). He is no different than an officer sleeping with an enlisted man's wife. Both cause undue and extraneous (not related to the functioning of the command) stress within the unit, and should be cashiered pronto. Seems a simple and obvious case.

If anonymous emails accused a soldier of screwing one of the other soldier's wives, and he refused to deny it (because he actually did it), he'd be lucky to get an honorable discharge... in a perfect world...

220 posted on 07/28/2006 5:25:25 AM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwæt! Lãr biþ mæst hord, soþlïce!)
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