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Attorney General Says Bush Had Schiavo Case Wrong
CBS4 ^ | 4/20/06 | AP

Posted on 04/20/2006 1:37:42 PM PDT by AZRepublican

CBS4/AP) WEST PALM BEACH Gov. Jeb Bush erred when he entered the bitter fight over whether to keep brain-damaged Terri Schiavo alive because government should not be involved in end-of-life decisions, Attorney General Charlie Crist said Thursday.

"I am pro-life and I respect life," Crist, a Republican candidate for governor, said at a gathering of the nonpartisan Forum Club of the Palm Beaches.

"There are some decisions that ought to be left to God and family," Crist said. "Had I have been governor, I would have not done the same thing" as Bush.

Crist's Republican challenger, Chief Financial Officer Tom Gallagher, hedged a bit, noting the importance of having a living will, something Schiavo did not have.

"These kinds of end-of-life matters do not belong in government," Gallagher said. "But when these kinds of situations come in front of me, I would always err on the side of life. I think that's what you must do when you don't know anything else."

Schiavo was at the center of a 15-year legal fight between her husband, Michael Schiavo, and her family over whether she should be kept alive with a feeding tube after a brain injury.

Congress, President Bush and Gov. Bush pressed to keep Schiavo alive. Ultimately, the courts sided with Schiavo's husband. She died of dehydration on March 31, 2005, after having her feeding tube was removed.

The Republican gubernatorial candidates also addressed crime, the economy, prayer in public schools, the environment, and property taxes.

Crist, a former education commissioner now in his fourth year as attorney general, noted that violent crime in Florida is at a 34-year low.

Crist cited the importance of passing the "anti-murder" bill now working its way through the Legislature, a measure that would allow judges to put violent criminals back in jail if they violate probation. He has made the bill one of his top legislative priorities.

"When somebody is put on probation it is a privilege, it's not a right," Crist said. "This anti-murder bill will simply say ... that if they violate probation, they will go back to jail."

The bill is similar to legislation that failed last year when lawmakers questioned the high cost of keeping thousands of additional suspects in county jails pending trials.

Gallagher said he would make crime a top priority, specifically for child sex offenders.

"I will make sure we're the toughest state in the nation when it comes to punishing our sexual predators," Gallagher said. "The bottom line is if you touch kids, you'll pay."

Gallagher touted his fiscal superiority in managing state money, touching on the economy, taxes and the soaring cost of insurance.

"Florida's economy is an economic model. We lead in job creation. We're sitting with a 3 percent unemployment rate and our state is doing well because of that," he said, adding that the state needs property tax reforms to continue to prosper.

"I believe property tax should be limited to growth plus inflation," Gallagher said. "We are facing some major challenges and it's going to take somebody who understands those challenges to help carry us through."

Crist said the state needs "less taxing, less spending, less government and more freedom."

The candidates agreed when asked by high school senior Amie Bass, 17, what their thoughts were on prayer and Bible teachings in school.

"I don't have a problem with student-led prayer anywhere," Gallagher said. Crist noted that as a member of the state Senate, he voted for student prayer. Both agreed the Bible belongs in schools.

The candidates also agreed that protecting Florida's environment was important and that the nation needs to secure its borders and stop illegal immigration.

Finally, both agreed on the most important topic of the day when asked if forced to vote for a Democrat for governor, would it be for State Sen. Rod Smith of Gainesville or U.S. Rep. Jim Davis of Tampa.

"I wouldn't vote for either one of them because I think both of us are better," Crist said to applause. "And I guess I should add I'm going to vote for me."

"I agree with Charlie," Gallagher added. "Either one of us is better than both of them.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: jebbush; schiavo; schiavostalkers; shesdeadjim; terribotsoutraged
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To: daivid
>> Here in Florida, we have the right to make a verbal request rejecting feeding tubes.

Yes, you do. Now tell us when and in what words Terri Schiavo so requested?

101 posted on 04/20/2006 6:44:44 PM PDT by T'wit (Our top bioethicists: 5) Cranford 4) Rachel Carson 3) Ted Bundy 2) Margaret Sanger 1) Eric Pianka.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

But speaking of psychological disorders, you need to look into the depths that anorexia can bring one to.


102 posted on 04/20/2006 6:47:47 PM PDT by Amore (First, let's kill all the lawyers!)
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To: Amore
But speaking of psychological disorders, you need to look into the depths that anorexia can bring one to.

Anorexia seldom causes neck trauma.

103 posted on 04/20/2006 7:06:04 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: Amore
>> you need to look into the depths that anorexia can bring one to.

Terri? I don't believe anyone ever claimed that she was anorexic. On the contrary, she was a good eater. The bulimia theory, invented by a Schiavo lawyer named Gary Fox, was popular for awhile. Dr. Thogmartin dismissed it politely but firmly. It never did make sense.

104 posted on 04/20/2006 7:08:36 PM PDT by T'wit (Our top bioethicists: 5) Cranford 4) Rachel Carson 3) Ted Bundy 2) Margaret Sanger 1) Eric Pianka.)
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To: ElkGroveDan
>> Anorexia seldom causes neck trauma.

Nor a compression fracture of the spine at L1 or a bone bruise on the right femur. Both of those traumas are unusual and a reasonable theory of the case must explain them.

105 posted on 04/20/2006 7:12:07 PM PDT by T'wit (Our top bioethicists: 5) Cranford 4) Rachel Carson 3) Ted Bundy 2) Margaret Sanger 1) Eric Pianka.)
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To: Amore
But speaking of psychological disorders, you need to look into the depths that anorexia can bring one to.

No evidence of that, unless you have something new.

Play Video

106 posted on 04/20/2006 7:14:11 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: T'wit

Oh, sorry, bulimia - anorexia, both can be deadly. But my recollection is that it WAS anorexia. And I think her problems with overeating are a little better documented than you seem to indicate.-- For starters, I seem to recall a few Karen-Carpenter-type photos of Terri.


107 posted on 04/20/2006 7:14:52 PM PDT by Amore (First, let's kill all the lawyers!)
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To: freepertoo
conservative members of Free Republic -- were cheering this cold-blooded murder on with glee.

Name one.

108 posted on 04/20/2006 7:18:52 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: bjs1779

Sorry, I live in Central Florida, I've followed this case for years. That's all I'm going by. I don't have the time or inclination to provide the documentation for you. But you are welcome to provide any documentation you have to rebut my understanding of the case.


109 posted on 04/20/2006 7:21:26 PM PDT by Amore (First, let's kill all the lawyers!)
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To: Amore
I don't have the time or inclination to provide the documentation for you. But you are welcome to provide any documentation you have to rebut my understanding of the case.

Sorry, I just did.

110 posted on 04/20/2006 7:23:34 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: daivid
>> You just made my point.

If your point had been worth making, I'd have considered it.

>> There is a big difference between denying food and water to a dog and force-feeding a human against her will.

Whatever are you talking about, "force-feeding"? Terri received nourishment and liquids for fifteen years through an ordinary g-tube. The decision was made in 1990 by her doctors and by Michael Schiavo. At no point did Terri refuse it. On your own characterization of her condition, she was incapable of refusing it.

111 posted on 04/20/2006 8:12:53 PM PDT by T'wit (Our top bioethicists: 5) Cranford 4) Rachel Carson 3) Ted Bundy 2) Margaret Sanger 1) Eric Pianka.)
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To: Amore
>> Oh, sorry, bulimia - anorexia, both can be deadly.

Very rare in both cases. Let's dust off Occam's razor and look for a simple, logical explanation. There is one: domestic violence. It's the commonest cause of injury and death to young females and many thousands of times more likely than death from dietary disorders.

112 posted on 04/20/2006 8:17:46 PM PDT by T'wit (Our top bioethicists: 5) Cranford 4) Rachel Carson 3) Ted Bundy 2) Margaret Sanger 1) Eric Pianka.)
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To: daivid
Some people saw it as a right-to-life issue. Others saw it as a right-to-be-left-alone issue.

If one regards Michael Schiavo as a liar, and I believe there is more than enough evidence to regard him as such, then there is zero credible evidence that Terri wished to be fatally dehydrated--a method of execution that makes burning at the stake seem downright pleasant by comparison.

113 posted on 04/20/2006 8:29:31 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Amore
>> For starters, I seem to recall a few Karen-Carpenter-type photos of Terri.

Really? I'd be interested in seeing those.

Her problem was overeating, not undereating. But the worst of it was way back in her high school years, some eight years before her so-called collapse. She conquered her weight problem, partly by going on a Nutra-System diet. Her weight in 1990 was excellent and stable.

114 posted on 04/20/2006 8:35:13 PM PDT by T'wit (Our top bioethicists: 5) Cranford 4) Rachel Carson 3) Ted Bundy 2) Margaret Sanger 1) Eric Pianka.)
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To: daivid
>> Furthermore, dogs don't make verbal statements refusing forced feeding

So, she COULD talk after all. That certainly destroys the notion that she was PVS.

115 posted on 04/20/2006 8:45:06 PM PDT by T'wit (Our top bioethicists: 5) Cranford 4) Rachel Carson 3) Ted Bundy 2) Margaret Sanger 1) Eric Pianka.)
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To: Amore
OK. Settled. Crist over Gallagher.

Yes, the liberal let's murder the helpless contingent.

Enjoy your stay on this Earth. If someone wants to murder you I will think they shouldn't and support the law stopping it.

116 posted on 04/20/2006 8:45:23 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: AZRepublican
"There are some decisions that ought to be left to God and family," Crist said.

How about leaving them to spouses that want them out of the way and ignoring the family's wishes?

This is one of the most egregious abuses of judical power we have ever seen.

None of us are safe if we allow judges to assume this kind of power.

117 posted on 04/20/2006 8:50:20 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: AZRepublican
>> There are some decisions that ought to be left to God and family << [Crist]

Offhand, I can't remember God ever removing a feeding tube in order to dehydrate the patient to death. Quite the contrary, God said that if you deny water and food to the least of his children, you are denying Him. If you want to see what comes next, check out Matthew 25:41.

118 posted on 04/20/2006 8:55:53 PM PDT by T'wit (Our top bioethicists: 5) Cranford 4) Rachel Carson 3) Ted Bundy 2) Margaret Sanger 1) Eric Pianka.)
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To: AZRepublican
So the JUDICIARY is NO LONGER a branch of the GOVERNMENT?

Who is this bozo?

119 posted on 04/20/2006 8:57:07 PM PDT by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: bjs1779
>> Furthermore, dogs don't make verbal statements refusing forced feeding.

You should hear my pooch when it DOESN'T get fed fast enough. No Hollywood star could equal the dog's heart-rending performance when its food dish is neglected.

120 posted on 04/20/2006 9:15:55 PM PDT by T'wit (Our top bioethicists: 5) Cranford 4) Rachel Carson 3) Ted Bundy 2) Margaret Sanger 1) Eric Pianka.)
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To: AZRepublican

Huh? So much for Crist's candidacy.


121 posted on 04/20/2006 9:18:58 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: tallhappy
OK. Settled. Gallagher over Crist.

You have that right! I never liked Crist; always seemed a little anti business to me. He actually has subpoenaed businesses to his office in order to ask about their pricing methods. I think that I am just done being a Republican, period. I am voting Constitution Party this year.

122 posted on 04/20/2006 9:25:29 PM PDT by rodeocowboy (Vote Constitution Party in 2006 to send a message to the Republican Party for 2008!)
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To: T'wit
Offhand, I can't remember God ever removing a feeding tube in order to dehydrate the patient to death.

Not only that, but is Crist so vain to think that if God had actually wanted to call Terri home, a feeding tube would have stopped Him?

123 posted on 04/20/2006 9:36:03 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: CAluvdubya
Then why is a governor able to grant an 11th hour stay of execution?

I think the law permits him to do that for death penalty cases after conviction of the crime. I doubt if you can apply it people that haven't been tried and convicted.

124 posted on 04/20/2006 9:53:38 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: AZRepublican
"There are some decisions that ought to be left to God and family," Crist said. "Had I have been governor, I would have not done the same thing" as Bush. So the fool thinks the oath to protect the citizens of Floriduh doesn't include intervening when a family decides to execute their child? Better close down all those department of human services offices, fool. What a Maroon! He's just what Floriduh deserves too.
125 posted on 04/20/2006 9:56:07 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Verginius Rufus; tallhappy
Michael Schiavo and Scott Peterson are morally on the same level...except that Schiavo got the state to help him murder his wife. Would Crist say that Laci's death was simply a matter for Scott to decide?

Well, after months and months of intensive investigation, the prosecution was unable to come up with a single witness to the Peterson killing.

Thus, he killed her in private. Q.E.D.

Um, you have heard of the "penumbra", haven't you?

126 posted on 04/21/2006 2:50:35 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: rodeocowboy; tallhappy
You have that right! I never liked Crist; always seemed a little anti business to me. He actually has subpoenaed businesses to his office in order to ask about their pricing methods. I think that I am just done being a Republican, period. I am voting Constitution Party this year.

He also refused to do anything about that Deliverance Family in that rat-addled trailer, when that POS raped that little girl and then buried her alive.

Florida seems to be infested with politicians who know which side their wallets are buttered on. When there's an opportunity to do something good, they go into hand-wringing mode, whining about how their hands are tied, there's nothing more then can do (after having done NOTHING), but, please remember, they really "care."

I'd love to see a money-trail to these posers, to see if any (and how many, if any) dollars waft their way from the Death Industry into their wallets.

127 posted on 04/21/2006 3:06:02 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: D-Chivas
" Crist must be a contortionist because I don't know how he got his head up his posterior region."

Maybe not having a backbone makes it easier to do.
128 posted on 04/22/2006 5:47:34 PM PDT by Wampus SC (The king is a fink.)
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To: AZRepublican; Joe Brower

Crist is toast.


129 posted on 04/22/2006 5:50:25 PM PDT by Dutchgirl (.Jeg er en dansker (I am a Dane.))
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