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Buy America, weaken America
usnews ^ | 3/25/06 | Richard J. Newman

Posted on 03/25/2006 8:07:17 PM PST by ncountylee

The Durabrand 10-inch portable DVD player available at Wal-Mart retails for $199.94. A group of senators would like to raise the price to $254.67. The Creative Zen Nano Plus 512-megabyte MP3 player seems like a bargain at $89.72; less so at $114.39, the price the senators would prefer that you pay. The price hikes would be the result of a 27.5 percent tariff on goods imported from China, a proposal sponsored by Democrat Chuck Schumer of New York and Republican Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and is scheduled to come up for a vote in the Senate this week.

Schumer and Graham aren't crazy, of course—they know better than most that taking money out of voters' pockets is a sure way to be sent packing. In other words, that 27.5 percent price hike won't be coming to a retailer near you anytime soon. But as an attention-getter, it's pretty good, and attention is what the two senators, and a number of colleagues who support them, are after. The chief bogeyman they want to flog is China's communist government, which—according to Schumer and the rest—deliberately keeps its currency undervalued in order to sell more cheap imports to the United States and other countries. Reasonable economists differ on that question. The tariff, if you buy the argument, would bring prices on Chinese imports closer to their unsubsidized value, leveling the playing field for honest tradespeople in, say, New York and South Carolina, who can't possibly produce goods as cheaply as the Chinese and still earn enough wages to buy all the DVD and MP players that they need.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; china; economics; globalization; trade
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To: Visalia
China is too! Wonder where they get the technical knowledge...Oh yeah, America!
21 posted on 03/25/2006 8:24:50 PM PST by endthematrix (None dare call it ISLAMOFACISM!)
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To: 4rcane
I don't know what to think of it. Is a tarriff moving closer to a capitalist system or moving it away?

One important question, IMHO, is how much money a government will take in taxes if:

  1. A domestic worker produces a good which is then consumed domestically.
  2. A domestic worker produces a good which is exported.
  3. A foreign worker produces a good which is imported for domestic consumption.
The income tax system taxes #1 and #2. Since the cost of a good must include any taxes that flow into government as a result of its production and sale, I would think income taxes put our country's companies at a competitive disadvantage.

Can anyone explain any problems in my theory?

22 posted on 03/25/2006 8:25:36 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: 4rcane
I don't know what to think of it. Is a tarriff moving closer to a capitalist system or moving it away? Considering China isn't exactly playing fair

Tariffs and protectionism are more of a socialist nature.

23 posted on 03/25/2006 8:25:52 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: ncountylee

We need tarrifs for unfrair trade engaged by China, so that China will be forced to change the value of Yuan and force fair trade.


24 posted on 03/25/2006 8:29:05 PM PST by Wiz (Nightmare of the Information Warfare)
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To: ClaireSolt
GM still sells the most cars in the US

...and yet sales are dropping. They're laying off big time, buying out. A huge portion of their sales I would guess are municipal. Meanwhile China may be selling their cars here soon. At Wal Mart, maybe?
25 posted on 03/25/2006 8:32:27 PM PST by Number57
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To: ncountylee

"The Durabrand 10-inch portable DVD player available at Wal-Mart retails for $199.94. A group of senators would like to raise the price to $254.67"


If you want to protect the working man, then don't interfere when we finally get the opportunity to be able to afford stuff you wealthier people take for granted. I love Wal-mart it has improved my living standard. Unemployment is around 4.7% which is extraordinarily low. When you combine a job with low priced goods, that is a good thing. Ignore the old rust belt bosses and archaic economic thinking, if you raise that price, then I have to go without, and that is a real ,immediate fact, screw your chauvinist ideas that Americans, just have to make shoes or the world will end.


26 posted on 03/25/2006 8:33:06 PM PST by ansel12
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To: jec41

Not always. It could also be a form of patriotism, and to protect fair trade, so that healthy competition will be availible. The value of Yuan is set wrong, and the COMMUNIST China has not changed the value much despite warnings from US. We are facing an unhealthy and unfair trade, benifitting China that fills COMMUNIST China's pocket with money to have them build more advanced military equipments that could threat our country.


27 posted on 03/25/2006 8:33:42 PM PST by Wiz (Nightmare of the Information Warfare)
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To: ncountylee

The root of the word protectionism, is "protect".

Someone has to protect American industry, before we don't have any more.

Seriously.


28 posted on 03/25/2006 8:34:19 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: decal
And what's to stop the Chinese from imposing tariffs of their own?

They probably will. We have a stronger economy than they do, and ultimately it will do mor damage to them. I'd be happy to trade with them just like any other country -- when they behave like any other country and stop trying to attakc us militarily and economically.

29 posted on 03/25/2006 8:34:39 PM PST by TBP
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To: ncountylee; A. Pole

Most people would not care about a $25 surcharge for an item they may get once every 5 years. The truth is "free" trade is a political loser, with people who are against it being very strongly against it, and most people who are for it being at best, lukewarm in their support.


30 posted on 03/25/2006 8:35:18 PM PST by RFT1
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To: decal
That's your choice - a tariff is imposed on everyone. And what's to stop the Chinese from imposing tariffs of their own?

You're kidding, right? The trade imbalance is so hugh (heh), they would never dare upset it in our favor.
31 posted on 03/25/2006 8:35:37 PM PST by Number57
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To: 4rcane
I recall, on Rush radio show, he talked about a tarrif during the 1930s (government policies) that destroyed the US economy.

Smoot-Hawley. It helped cause the Depression, although the liberal media will never let you know that.

Protecting yourself against those who seek to attack and destroy you is something different from merely protecting yourself from economic competition.

32 posted on 03/25/2006 8:36:41 PM PST by TBP
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To: Number57
...and yet sales are dropping. They're laying off big time, buying out. A huge portion of their sales I would guess are municipal. Meanwhile China may be selling their cars here soon. At Wal Mart, maybe?

GM sells many cars in China and is building more plants in China.. Buick is the biggest seller.

33 posted on 03/25/2006 8:36:55 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: decal
And what's to stop the Chinese from imposing tariffs of their own?

How would they add tariffs to already pirated american imports? That's what they've been warned against--they can find an internet user who googles "democracy" but not whole bootleg/knockoff factories.

34 posted on 03/25/2006 8:37:25 PM PST by at bay ("We actually did an evil....." Eric Scmidt, CEO Google)
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To: Lurker
Once upon a time, there was a fellow who gave up economic advantage because he cared about his country. Here's his picture.

But the rest of us can't be bothered to pay a few dollars extra for consumer goods.

So, when do you think the Pat Tillmans of the world will see that the only thing that matters is lower prices to consumers?

In the world to come, explain that to him. I'd like to hear what you say.

35 posted on 03/25/2006 8:38:14 PM PST by neutrino (Globalization is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.(173))
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To: 13Sisters76
Soot-Hawley-if I remember my history properly- also helped spread the Depression worldwide and lengthened it by quite a few years...

Nothing helped lengthen the Depression like the New Deal. In 1936, things were worse than in 1932, and in 1940 they weren't any better. Then FDR got lucky and we got attacked. The resulting war rescued the economy, and Democrats have always given the New Deal credit, evne though all ti di was make the destruction worse.

36 posted on 03/25/2006 8:39:03 PM PST by TBP
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To: ansel12; ex-Texan

Oh please, give me a break. The unemployment rate by historical standards(meaning how it was measured pre 1990s) is more like 7%, using the U-6 BLS numbers rather than the U-3 they use today. Also with DVD players, an item people get once every five years, a 25% surcharge would work out to 3 cents a day, big whoop.

At hwat cost should we follow "free" trade as it siezes upward mobility up and continues to put down ward pressue on wages? The US economy the last several years has not been moving forward becaue of wage increases, it has gone forward because of home re-fis, and re fis have ben all but exhusted.


37 posted on 03/25/2006 8:39:06 PM PST by RFT1
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To: neutrino

The problem so many mainstream "Conservatives" can not think beyond what Limbaugh tells them to think. I have yet to hear one logical arguement for "free" trade as it is structured now, not one.


38 posted on 03/25/2006 8:40:30 PM PST by RFT1
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To: jec41
Wonderful. Chinese Buicks.


...rolling in his grave
39 posted on 03/25/2006 8:41:48 PM PST by Number57
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To: Number57
"...they would never dare upset it in our favor."

Lots of people do things against their own best interests out of spite.

Remember all the Japan-bashing of 20 years ago? They were supposedly going to buy America and we were all going to have to learn to like sushi.

We did nothing about it and they've been in a self-imposed recession ever since. China will run into the same problems soon enough - you can't export your problems.
40 posted on 03/25/2006 8:41:59 PM PST by decal (My name is "decal" and I approve this tagline)
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