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http://www.freerepublic.com/ ^ | March 21, 2006 | Me

Posted on 03/21/2006 5:28:13 AM PST by tcostell

I'm in the market for a pistol for my wife and I was hoping I could solicit opinions and suggestions.

She doesn't have any handgun experience, but she's an excellent rifle shot (better than me in fact) and has no trouble handling the recoil of my 12 gauge Benelli when shooting clay. The weight of it does bother her a little however because she's very small. She's 5'1'' and some change, and weighs about 105 lbs soaking wet.

The firearm will be used for personal self defense, but I'm not really expecting a home invasion, and she won't be using it when concealment would be an issue. I just want her to have something portable that she can slip under her car seat and carry with her if it becomes necessary for her to take our daughter and beat feet from the greater NY area.

I think she can handle a cartridge with some stopping power but a .50 cal would probably be out of the question. A light recoil 9mm or .40 cal would probably be OK, but I specifically need something with a gentle slide spring and a relatively small grip because of her size.

I had the Springfield XD-9 recommended to me, so I picked one up at Cabelas this weekend but it still felt a little large for her hands.

I was wondering if any of the ladies (or knowledgeable gents) could make specific recommendation I could have her take a look at?

Thanks.


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1 posted on 03/21/2006 5:28:15 AM PST by tcostell
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To: tcostell

...incoming!


2 posted on 03/21/2006 5:29:16 AM PST by Fighting Irish
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To: tcostell

Ruger .357 Magnum


3 posted on 03/21/2006 5:30:52 AM PST by TommyDale
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To: tcostell

Get her a 9mm...maybe a Baretta or a Walther PPK..or my favorite: an Astra Parabellum


4 posted on 03/21/2006 5:31:09 AM PST by Armigerous ( Non permitte illegitimi te carborundum- "Don't let the bastards grind you down")
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To: tcostell

Glock G21
Kimber Custom Classic 45 acp
Ruger Blackhawk 4 5/8" barrel 45 colt.


5 posted on 03/21/2006 5:31:18 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: tcostell
I'm in the market for a pistol for my wife and I was hoping I could solicit opinions and suggestions

Take her to the range & let her try several. My wife has very small hands & what I thought was good for her, wasn't even close. Also, shot placement is more important than caliber....she needs to be comfortable with what she chooses.

6 posted on 03/21/2006 5:32:01 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: tcostell

Glock 45. End of story.


7 posted on 03/21/2006 5:32:04 AM PST by Obadiah
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http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=14792&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15704&isFirearm=Y


8 posted on 03/21/2006 5:32:05 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Carry Daily, Apply Sparingly)
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To: tcostell
After you make your purchase, do not make her angry.
;- )
9 posted on 03/21/2006 5:32:08 AM PST by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: tcostell
She's 5'1'' and some change, and weighs about 105 lbs soaking wet.

I think Bonnie Parker was about that size. She preferred an M1918A1 Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR). But that's not for everyone.

10 posted on 03/21/2006 5:32:30 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Never question Bruce Dickinson!)
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To: tcostell

Sig's P232 is my ante...

11 posted on 03/21/2006 5:32:47 AM PST by Loud Mime ("Countdown" - A documentary about Keith Olbermann's dwindling IQ)
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To: tcostell

If she does not have handgun experience, I would recommend a revolver rather than a semi-auto. If conceal-carry is not an issue, a 4-in barrel .357 magnum revolver such as a Ruger GP100 or S&W 686 would be an excellent choice.


12 posted on 03/21/2006 5:32:47 AM PST by IndyTiger
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To: Armigerous
Double stack 9mm's have that wide grip that would probably be awkward for her. I was hoping for something smaller. If I could get a mini 9mm like those 6 shot .45's out there I think it would be a good fit, but I haven't seen them.
13 posted on 03/21/2006 5:33:31 AM PST by tcostell
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To: verity

Like I said, she's already a better rifle shot than me... I already try to avoid angering her.


14 posted on 03/21/2006 5:35:09 AM PST by tcostell
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To: tcostell
I'm in the market for a pistol for my wife

What's she look like - Does she have all her teeth? Can she cook? What kind of a pistol do you want for her? :-)

15 posted on 03/21/2006 5:35:20 AM PST by from occupied ga (Peace through superior firepower)
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To: tcostell

Wow...gun porn and it's not even Friday!


For an under-the-seat gun for someone who won't be serious about carrying and practicing?

But something utterly reliable and simple in a pinch?

Get a Ruger (or other) .357 4" revolver that can also take .38 special.


16 posted on 03/21/2006 5:35:45 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: from occupied ga

LOL..I tried to get a pistol for my first wife...but the dude wanted an extra $1000 to take her off my hands!


17 posted on 03/21/2006 5:37:21 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: tcostell

Walther P-99 - light and small gripped, reliable.


18 posted on 03/21/2006 5:37:32 AM PST by ko_kyi
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To: tcostell

I am seriously considering buying a handgun in the next few months.

I have just about decided on a Walther PPK.

Is that a good choice?


19 posted on 03/21/2006 5:37:51 AM PST by Skooz (The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: tcostell
The advice about letting her shoot several is good. I think starting our with small caliber, like a .22 revolver or a 380 semi, is good. First come technique and accuracy and then you can start thinking about caliber. Tastes change and it takes time to find the handgun that really suits.

Me, myself, personally, I really like a Sig P239 and the 9mm is pleasant to shoot, though I carry 357 or .40. Tupperware guns sure are light. My duty gun is a Glock 22 and, well, it's okay.

20 posted on 03/21/2006 5:39:14 AM PST by Mad Dawg (If you find yourself in a fair fight, you did not prepare properly.)
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To: from occupied ga
she's gorgeous...she looks a lot like Paulina Porizkova actually. She has all of her teeth (I know because I've paid for them) and she's an excellent cook. She's also a profoundly practical Hungarian girl who survived communists, Palestinians, and the New York state public school system.

At the end of the day she's getting the firearm she wants but I was hoping for suggestions on what she should try.
21 posted on 03/21/2006 5:39:16 AM PST by tcostell
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To: tcostell

I am female and not much larger than your wife. I trained with a Glock and loved it, but since I wanted one for conceal carry I bought a small Baretta. But I suggest she try several on a range and see what feels best and most comfortable for her before purchasing.


22 posted on 03/21/2006 5:39:26 AM PST by TexasTaysor
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To: Eagle Eye
I thought about that.... she'll practice plenty... she loves to shoot. And I'm a little cynical about a .38 because of bullet size ...but suggestion noted....thanks.
23 posted on 03/21/2006 5:41:01 AM PST by tcostell
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To: IndyTiger

I was at the indoor range last Saturday shooting my .380 Colt Mustang and my 1911 .45 acp Remington Rand. My friend who was working the range showed my a little Kel-Tec P3AT it is dubbed- The World’s Lightest .380 Auto Pistol. He fired my .380 mustang (no longer made) and commented on how nice the trigger was. He did not have a rental Kel-tec for me to play with....or I would have tried it. He said the Kel-Tec is NOT a range gun. It just wont hold up to constant shooting...but there is no gun lighter and easyier to conceal and carry than this gun. I am thinking of getting one just for that reason.

For those who hate to carry because of the bulk or weight, it looks like a good choice, just dont expect to play with it a lot.


24 posted on 03/21/2006 5:41:17 AM PST by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: tcostell

Walther PPK/S in .380 is a nice little weapon for a lady. There's also small j-frame revolvers from Smith&Wesson. If I had my druthers, I'd buy my lady one of the new Springfield XD line sub-compacts in 9mm.


25 posted on 03/21/2006 5:42:29 AM PST by rarestia ("One man with a gun can control 100 without one." - Lenin / Molwn Labe!)
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To: tcostell

My wife's friend who is about your wife's size tried a Kahr but had real trouble racking the slide. My wife also had difficulty with the slide and it really has to do with hand strength, rather than other variables. We finally settled on a revolver...the Taurus 627(?) tracker .357 with a 4" vented barrel that cuts back on the recoil considerably. It holds 7 shots and a double tap with two hollow points would be sufficient to cause a bear to think twice. The only thing we had to change was the grip. My wife's friend also went with a revolver, a Colt, that she is able to handle easily. I'd suggest you and your wife visit your local gun shop and try a variety on for size.


26 posted on 03/21/2006 5:43:46 AM PST by Postman
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Any of the S&W .38s. Might have a look at the Scandium models, which weigh next to nothing, and/or the Ladysmith models.

Some folks will poo-poo the round, but hey- .38 Golden Sabers or Hydrashoks ought to get you out of trouble.


27 posted on 03/21/2006 5:43:46 AM PST by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: tcostell
"She doesn't have any handgun experience, "

Don't get her a semi-auto unless she plans to get training and a lot of it. In a panic situation as when under attack, working the gun mechanics, clearing a jam or just chambering a round needs to be done without hesitation and without thinking. A revolver is much more forgiving for an amateur or infrequent gun user.

A Ruger SP-101 or similar smaller .357 is a good self defense gun, IMHO. It can be loaded with .38s or .357s.

Personally, my favorite handgun is my name: Smith & Wesson model 6906: compact, 9mm semi-auto with a bobbed hammer. Great concealed carry gun but with rounds like the Hydra-Shock, it packs enough punch to qualify as a decent self-defense weapon.

Don't bother with a .380, it's too puny a round. All it'll do is piss off the crack-head attacking you, not stop him.

28 posted on 03/21/2006 5:44:11 AM PST by SW6906 (5 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, guns and ammunition.)
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To: Postman

Useful info.
Thanks.


29 posted on 03/21/2006 5:45:03 AM PST by tcostell
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To: tcostell

Get her a LadySmith .38 revolver.
(Simple, easy, reliable)
Don't stick the lady with any of the "guys" favorite semi!
All of the comments you'll hear about stopping power, are not worth the trade in time to get back on target for the 2nd shot.


30 posted on 03/21/2006 5:46:04 AM PST by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: tcostell

If you insist on a semi-auto, Smith & Wesson makes (or at least used to make) a line of 9mm semi-autos in smaller sizes called the LadySmiths. My SW6906 has a fat grip to handle the double column magazine, so it likely would be too big for her. The LadySmiths and others like them had single column magazines. Less rounds, but easier for those with small hands to handle.


31 posted on 03/21/2006 5:46:39 AM PST by SW6906 (5 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, guns and ammunition.)
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To: SW6906

Actually, that looks interesting. Is that 6906 a single stack?

You echo my thoughts about the 380. And I know she can handle more gun than that if she could just fit her hands around it.

thanks.


32 posted on 03/21/2006 5:47:46 AM PST by tcostell
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S&W Models 36 & 60 are both excellent revolvers. I have carried a S&W Model 36 for going on 40 years. I have never been convinced that any particular auto is the one to have.

Practice until you can put 5 rounds in a shot glass at 10 feet and you'll never be shy on confidence about head shots.

Add a pair of Crimson Trace LaserGrips to either model and night shots are a wiz.


33 posted on 03/21/2006 5:48:21 AM PST by B4Ranch (The truth is good for you, like sunlight, but too much all at once can really hurt.)
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To: Skooz
have just about decided on a Walther PPK.

I have carried a PPK for 20 years. It is reliable, safe and easy to shoot.

The .380 is not the best defensive round, but it will suffice at close range when filled with something like Speer Gold Dot 90gr hollowpoints.

34 posted on 03/21/2006 5:48:27 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Many women will support Hillary based solely on her gender -- and it will be praised by the MSM.)
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To: tcostell

AH I think I misunderstood your post. Get her a Taurus titanium .357 in 2 or 4 inch barrel. 7 shots - very reliable shoots when you pull the trigger doesn't when you don't - don't get her an autoloader unless you and she are willing to go to the range weekly for several years to become reflexively familiar with it.


35 posted on 03/21/2006 5:49:22 AM PST by from occupied ga (Peace through superior firepower)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Thanks.

Close range defense is all I'm really interested in.

I have no intention of getting into any gun battles. :0)


36 posted on 03/21/2006 5:50:10 AM PST by Skooz (The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: tcostell

I have a recommendation.
Go to a local range that has rental firearms for use on the range. Try several, and pick what is most comfortable – the larger the caliber (within reason) the better. Remember that if it is to be carried concealed it should be concealable.


37 posted on 03/21/2006 5:51:56 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: tcostell

I like the SIG SAUER P299 .40 Caliber, the 45 is nice also.

[img]http://remtek.com/arms/sig/model/229/229.gif[/img]


38 posted on 03/21/2006 5:52:11 AM PST by NTW64
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To: Skooz

I think James Bond liked it.


39 posted on 03/21/2006 5:53:39 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: tcostell

"And I'm a little cynical about a .38 because of bullet size ...but suggestion noted....thanks."

I have a lady friend who can unload her Model 36 .22 caliber in half the time I can get my .38 done. Other than perhaps for the the first shot, NO SIR I would NOT go up against her!


40 posted on 03/21/2006 5:55:03 AM PST by B4Ranch (The truth is good for you, like sunlight, but too much all at once can really hurt.)
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To: tcostell

One can practice fairly cheaply with .38's, especially since they're easy to reload.

The mere sight of a gun will almost always stop someone with criminal intent. Besides, well placed shots with a .38 will do more than poorly placed shots with a larger or more 'powerful' round.

Besides, if she carries .357 she'll lose nothing in stopping power.


41 posted on 03/21/2006 5:55:35 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: tcostell
Find a revolver that she's comfortable with. Their grips are smaller than .45s or double-stack 9mm pistols, and there are really good after-market grips, too. Revolvers don't jam even if you neglect 'em a bit, and hopefully she won't need more than five shots to settle an issue.
A snubbie is good (easy to conceal, easy to maneuver in the confines of the car) but since concealment is not a factor, you could go with a 4-6" barrel. Taurus makes a lot of good revolvers.
A .357 is usually a good caliber choice 'cause you have lots of loads to choose from: .357 Mag, .38, .38 +P, etc., with all sorts of lovely bullet types; ball, hollow points, glazers, etc. Most women are comfortable with .38s. My wife likes 'em. Bigger calibers are better, but having her comfortable with shooting the weapon is more important than a big bore.
If she has trouble shooting it double action, you can have the weapon "tuned" - lighten up the hammer and the trigger, for instance. Costs a $100 at most with good gunsmith.

Firearms aren't dangerous (well, SOME firearms are dangerous, but you don't want one...), shooters are. Buy a lot of practice ammo. Have her practice shooting as fast she can (i.e. double action), without aiming (tape over the sights, if necessary), at targets from 5 ft. to 5 yards. If she's going to be driving, have her practice with her off hand, too. Also, buy speed loaders and have her practice with them.
42 posted on 03/21/2006 5:55:54 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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Sorry for the bad image link, click this instead.
http://remtek.com/arms/sig/model/229/229.gif


43 posted on 03/21/2006 5:56:08 AM PST by NTW64
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To: tcostell
1- Let your wife pick it out, whatever feels good in her hand and she can relate to.

2- Is it known to be reliable? Is it in an effective caliber? If not, put it down and repeat step 1.

3- Practice, practice, practice.

44 posted on 03/21/2006 5:57:21 AM PST by Sender (As water has no constant form, there are in war no constant conditions. Be without form. -Sun Tzu)
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To: tcostell

Don't ever think a home invasion is unlikely. If you've seen the armed citizen stories here on FR, you know it can happen anywhere. You're the "somebody else" when you say "I always thought this kind of thing happened to somebody else.

Is she looking for revolver or semi-auto? What's wrong with just your everyday small revolver, .38/.357?


45 posted on 03/21/2006 5:59:58 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger (*Burp* I just got done chewing up a liberal. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1583155/posts)
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To: tcostell

Try either a S&W Ladysmith with a two inch barrel in .38 special or .357, or a Ruger SP 101 with a three inch barrel in .357. I'd stick with a revolver. Less things to go wrong. Easier to operate.


46 posted on 03/21/2006 6:01:41 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Loud Mime

The p232 looks like similar design to Walther...


47 posted on 03/21/2006 6:05:00 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger (*Burp* I just got done chewing up a liberal. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1583155/posts)
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To: tcostell

I ended up getting my wife a S&W Model 637 Airweight (.38). It's a great gun and one that I prefer to carry concealed most of the time. Small & light, but when loaded with 157 grain HP's it'll stop most anything we may have to deal with. I was concerned about hand strength (working the slide and breaking nails loading a magazine) and complexity (my wife is a converted liberal who had no dealing with guns before I came along). A revolver was the best solution for all the females in my life. Of course, everyone is different...


48 posted on 03/21/2006 6:05:10 AM PST by Dubh_Ghlase ("Every man dies, but not every man truly lives...." Braveheart)
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To: tcostell

Reread your post. "The firearm will be used for personal self defense, but I'm not really expecting a home invasion, and she won't be using it when concealment would be an issue. I just want her to have something portable that she can slip under her car seat and carry with her if it becomes necessary for her to take our daughter and beat feet from the greater NY area."

This isn't making sense to me. Is she expecting a five minute warning that she is about to be attacked or molested? Trying to locate something under your car seat is damn near impossible unless you get out of the car, bend over and feel around for it.


49 posted on 03/21/2006 6:05:49 AM PST by B4Ranch (The truth is good for you, like sunlight, but too much all at once can really hurt.)
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To: tcostell
My wife doesn't have problems shooting my Firestorm/Bersa compact 9. To make mine more compact i removed the extra finger grip on the bottom of the magazine. Just leaving enough of the plastic to serve as a smaller bottom plate. Mine is carried.
50 posted on 03/21/2006 6:06:24 AM PST by lrb111 (Minutemen - Doing jobs the White House won't do.)
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