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Lafayette, Colorado Pit Bull and more breed ban
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Posted on 02/28/2006 3:52:28 AM PST by Glacier Honey

Lafayette, Colorado is disguising BSL as Animals of Concern. 26 specific breeds are listed. Can you find yours?

Animals of Concern: means animals that based on factual studies, data, or identification by a recognized institute for breed behavior as having a propensity to be aggressive (6 traits) toward humans and domesticated animals; These animals have a higher risk of attack resulting in serious bodily injury and or death. They are identified as: “Pit Bull” for purposes of this chapter, is defined as any dog that is an American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or any dog displaying the majority of physical traits of any one (1) or more of the above breeds, or any dog exhibiting those distinguishing characteristics which substantially conform to the standards established by the American Kennel Club or United Kennel Club for any of the above breeds. Other Animals of Concern include; American Bulldog (Old Country Bulldog), Dogo Argentino, Canary Dog (Canary Island Dog, Presa Canario, Perro de Presa Canario), Presa Mallorquin (Perro de Presa Mallorquin, Ca de Bou), Tosa Inu (Tosa Fighting Dog, Japanese Fighting Dog, Japanese Mastiff), Cane Corso (Cane di Macellaio, Sicilian Branchiero), Fila Brasileiro, Boerboel, Rottweiler, German Shepherd, Chow Chow, Wolf Hybrid, Siberian Husky, Alaskan Malamute, Doberman Pinscher, St. Bernard, Great Dane or any dog displaying the majority of physical traits of any one (1) or more of the above breeds, or any dog exhibiting those distinguishing characteristics which substantially conform to the standards established by the American Kennel Club or United Kennel Club for any of the above breeds.

See report: http://www.cityoflafayette.com/files/itemii022106.pdf

Please send your concerns to: City Council Members

Click here to send an email to all of the members of City Council. Or use the information below to contact them individually. Councilmember Address Telephone Email Mayor Chris Berry term expires 11/2007 1303 Lambert Circle 303-666-1246 Email Mayor Pro Tem David Strungis term expires 11/2009 1620 Sagrimore Circle 303-665-2458 Email Councilor Kerry Bensman term expires 11/2007 2047 Buchanan Point 303-665-8063 Email Councilor Chris Cameron term expires 11/2009 1366 Lambert Circle 303-926-9528 Email Councilor Frank Phillips term expires 11/2007 256 South Finch Avenue 303-604-0159 Email Councilor Carolyn Cutler term expires 11/2009 108 West Cannon Street 303-261-6530 Email Councilor Jay Ruggeri term expires 11/2007 501 North Bermont Street 303-665-5458 Email


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To: kanawa

Sorry, but I see a big difference between someone owning a firearm and someone owning an animal.


51 posted on 02/28/2006 6:24:36 AM PST by kx9088
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To: Glacier Honey

Klaphake und Schultz -

Ve vill make you safe effen iff you don't VANT it!!!


52 posted on 02/28/2006 6:25:10 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: kx9088
Sorry, but I see a big difference between someone owning a firearm and someone owning an animal.

Of course there is a big difference...if you're looking for differences.
If you look at the importance of personal responsibility in dog or gun ownership
and the nanny state attempt to penalize responsible owners
for the misdeeds of criminals or irresponsible owners
then the similarities become apparent and significant.

53 posted on 02/28/2006 6:36:12 AM PST by kanawa (We must all hang together, or, assuredly, we shall all hang separately.)
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To: kanawa

But there is one big difference: You can't always control what a dog does.


54 posted on 02/28/2006 6:53:38 AM PST by kx9088
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To: Glacier Honey

I do not remember who said it about the Nazi's: "When they came for the Jews, I said nothing. When they came for the fundamentalists, I said nothing, then they came for me and there was no one to say anything about it." (I know it's a paraphrase as this was something I learned and forgot more than 20 years ago.

First they came for the pitbulls, and I I said nothing.
Then, they came for the Rotweillers, and I said nothing.
Now they are coming for my German Shepherd.

Really, if they want to eliminate the most irritating dogs, outlaw Pekinese.


55 posted on 02/28/2006 7:02:10 AM PST by Sensei Ern (Now, IB4Z! http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy/ "I believe Hillary is the aunti-christ.")
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To: Sensei Ern
The most rude dogs are of the ankle bitter class.

"Mommy and Daddy" think precious poo is just "so cute" as she is snarling, yapping and tearing at your pant leg.

All dogs like that need to be drop kicked to the corner.
56 posted on 02/28/2006 7:20:21 AM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: ZULU
More famous pits: Petey, the dog from the little rascals , the RCA Vitrola dog, Buster Browns dog. In films pits are often use, because they have that typical dog look to them. The American pit breeds were considered THE American FAMILY dog circa 1914..times have changed and over the last 40 years we've gone through a slew of so-called "killer" breeds from German shepards, dobermans, rottweilers, to the current so-called awful dog the pit breeds. Adding to the confusion, that quite a few breeds are classified as pits, so it is difficult to say that "which" one is the problematic animal.
I have two dogs, a min-dachs and an American Pitbull terrier....the dachs is the Alfa male.
57 posted on 02/28/2006 7:21:07 AM PST by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: kanawa; Glacier Honey
The nanny statists are on the move. Here is the new legislation facing residents of Louisville, KY. Note that this shotgun approach law doesn't solve any problem.

Most dog-related problems, including overpopulation and biting, can be solved with enforcement of old fashioned leash laws:

Proposed Louisville Animal Ordinance Endangers Dog Owners
February 6, 2006

Help is urgently needed! The Louisville Metro Council will soon consider changes to its animal control ordinance that impose a number of burdensome fees, expensive licenses, and punitive restrictions that will be harmful to all dog owners.

It is unclear what problems this disjointed proposal attempts to solve. In fact, the provisions of this ordinance will create significant problems for responsible dog owners committed to socializing their animals. The proposal provides that an intact male dog can only be walked by an adult, and prohibits the animal from contact with other humans and dogs. Incredibly, the measure further prohibits a female and her litter from having contact with humans other than the owner until four months of age! The recent draft contains many such examples of regulations that prevent dog owners from acting responsibly.

Additionally, this restrictive measure would:

* Require an annual $57 license for each unaltered dog or cat over four months old.

* Define anyone who sells or gives away an animal as an "animal dealer" and require purchase of both an animal dealer license and a kennel license.

* Require persons with more than 5 altered animals to purchase a kennel license.

* Further require purchase of a kennel license by residents with less than 5 animals if they breed, show, or compete in field or obedience trials.

* Establish a $5 "show dog" fee for every dog participating in conformation that can not show proof of license in another jurisdiction.

* Specify that an animal may not be deemed dangerous solely because it bites or attacks.

In applying for any animal dealer or kennel license, dog owners would be forced to comply with a long list of provisions, including submitting to property and record-keeping inspections. Breeders would also be required to report all sales and provide license tags to new owners.

As dog owners may recall, in late 2005, Councilwoman Cheri Bryant Hamilton introduced a breed-specific proposal targeting Rottweilers and "pit bulls," defined as Staffordshire Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers, American Pit Bull Terriers, or any dog which has the appearance and characteristics of these breeds. While AKC applauds the council's decision to pursue strong dangerous dog and animal control legislation in lieu of a breed-specific ordinance, this proposal does nothing to address irresponsible ownership, makes it harder to declare a dog dangerous and places severe burdens on responsible dog owners.

58 posted on 02/28/2006 7:26:36 AM PST by Darnright (Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: Katya

I saw a show on TV about the GESTAPO animal police visiting people in England when their pit-bull laws went into effect - seizing and destroying family pets for no justificable reason other than that they "looked" like pit bulls.

This country is going the way of Sweden and England.


59 posted on 02/28/2006 8:05:19 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: doberville
It is curious, isn't it. When I was a toddler, I was attacked by the family Yorkshire Terrier. I nearly lost my eye. When I used to cycle in Boston--the only dogs to ever give me grief were terriers: mostly Scotties, but I nearly killed a Jack Russel (the yappy little sh#t!). Little dogs have always struck me as either stupid or nervous, or both. But in saying that, I am aware that's as broad a statement as saying all rotts/pits/dobes are killers just waiting to snap. (it has been my experience, though)

My husband and I have a rottweiler named Ursa. She's a very gentle female, with a clownish sense of humor and a definite feisty streak: she had a stand off with a black bear in our back yard and won. She's not a big girl, only 70 lbs, but she's a total alpha. Most importantly, she was protecting her pack. After the bear ran off, she slept in my daughter's room, where she felt she was needed most, I'm sure.

She's also in training to be a therapy dog, and will sit for her Canine Good Citizen test shortly. The relationship she has with my three year old daughter is nothing short of magical. And I know she's safe with Ursa in the house.

Now, yes--if a rottweiler or a pit--or a Golden Lab or any dog for that matter-- is raised by a negectful owner, they are capable of great damage. But, to this day, I will avoid all small dogs iff possible. ps-- The Dobies I've met have always impressed me with how good natured and smart they are. (They's just too dang skinny for my taste!) ;-)

60 posted on 02/28/2006 8:20:52 AM PST by RepoGirl ("That boy just ain't right..." Hank Hill)
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To: Himyar
I'm surprised at Great Danes being banned.

Suprised me, too. I always thought that they were giant lap dogs, gentle giants.

61 posted on 02/28/2006 8:36:32 AM PST by RedWhiteBlue
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To: kx9088; GMMAC
But there is one big difference: You can't always control what a dog does.

Dogs unlike guns have minds of their own, which is why...
You can't always predict what a dog may do.
This is why being in control of your dog is one of the main pillars of responsible dog ownership.

If you wanted to extend the control analogy to gun ownership
you could point out that firearms need to be safely stored and carried.
You store your gun in a secure place, you don't leave it lying around to be taken by anyone.
You transport your firearm with the safety engaged.

The liberal AG in my jurisdiction made the following comment...
"you cannot trust a dog owner to muzzle their dog just as you can't trust a gun owner to put a trigger guard on his gun."

BTW this same fellow who banned dogs is now attempting to ban all handguns.
To him there is an obvious connection.
The problem is that as a nanny-stater he ignores personal responsiblity.
In order to deal with specific occurences of criminal or irresponsible ownership
he infringes upon the lives of law-abiding responsible owners.

62 posted on 02/28/2006 9:21:29 AM PST by kanawa (We must all hang together, or, assuredly, we shall all hang separately.)
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To: kanawa; fanfan; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; Ryle; ...

Guilty-until-proven-innocent, brain dead,
politically correct, knee-jerk, liberal hogwash at its worst:

Information on The Dog Owners' Liability Act and Public Safety Related to Dogs Statute Law Amendment Act, 2005

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63 posted on 02/28/2006 11:39:09 AM PST by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: kanawa
... and, further more:

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64 posted on 02/28/2006 11:42:03 AM PST by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: HairOfTheDog

pinging...this is ridiculus when virtually all large breeds are being banned! German Shepherds, Great Danes, Mastiffs, Rotweillers, even St Bernards! If this passes in Colorado, watch other municipalities do the same!


65 posted on 02/28/2006 3:14:01 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: PeteB570
My dogs are Texas Couch Potatoes. Very rare breed, non aggressive, big appetites and they need lots of sleep.
66 posted on 02/28/2006 3:19:59 PM PST by Ditter
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To: doc30
It is ridiculous. It's the agenda, however.

If your dog won't fit into Barbie or Ken clothes idgits will eventually try to ban it.

67 posted on 02/28/2006 3:28:03 PM PST by ARridgerunner
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To: Glacier Honey; Flyer; technochick99; sinkspur; 88keys; DugwayDuke; sissyjane; Severa; RMDupree; ...
I'm no fan of pit bulls, but I am opposed to breed-specific legislation, largely because type is often times mixed and not objectively definable. This ordinance is also over-reaching in that it would limit ownership, without apparent exception to only one dog at a time. Apparently, one who owns and shows more than one of many working dog breeds, or breeds those dogs, or, if I read it right, even allows such a dog to be in heat, would be in violation inside the city limits. A differential fee for licensing is bad enough... A strict limit without exception is over-reaching.

Ping!


Other articles with keyword "DOGGIEPING" since 12/29/04

68 posted on 02/28/2006 3:43:41 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: Glacier Honey

This is ridiculous. This paints entire breeds with a broad bruch, without even considering how the dog was socialized. Now granted it takes a lot of work to properly socialize a staffordshire or a rot (especially the former). I have run into examples of some of these other "vicious breeds" and have found many examples to counter these claims.
1. I have yet to find a vicious or aggressive malamute. About the most fun trail dog around. Same goes for huskies.
2. German shepherds can be raised to be vicious. However, when socialized, they are about the most intelligent dogs around, and very good at reading people. Some german shepherds I have come across on some bike rides in Texas will run out to see who the strange person on the contraption is. My response is usually friendly, and the shepherd goes into the mode "dog person".
3. Dobermans' demeanors are highly dependant on how they are raised. I have seen the junkyard mean Dobie, and then there's my boss' dog - gets real excited when he sees me. Either way a bit high strung.


69 posted on 02/28/2006 3:49:15 PM PST by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: Glacier Honey

I have 2 of the sweetest Siberian Huskies that I think have ever lived.

They wouldn't hurt ANYONE, probably not anyone who was intent of harming them either. Great guard dogs :-P

Bans like these are just absolutely asinine and PROBABLY unconstitutional.....


70 posted on 02/28/2006 3:52:02 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: GMMAC

Love your lying liberals graphic. Best one I've seen in a while.


71 posted on 02/28/2006 4:42:26 PM PST by WarEagle (This ISN'T Karl Rove's fault...)
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To: doc30

There is definitely an agenda afoot here... Once they have these breeds condemned to extinction, every other large dog will be in their sites. It's all about imposing Beijing rules on American dogs and their owners. Cui bono?


72 posted on 02/28/2006 5:00:25 PM PST by coydog
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To: Texan5

Bttt.

I've been bitten twice by a Jack Russell Terrier. The same one.


73 posted on 02/28/2006 5:41:01 PM PST by dervish ("And what are we becoming? The civilization of melted butter?")
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To: kanawa; kx9088; GMMAC
Actually, it's a direct analogy . . . because if you don't control the gun yourself, or don't control the dog yourself, bad things can happen.

The gun may not have a mind of its own, but if an idiot owner leaves it lying around, children, criminals, or those not of sound mind may get hold of it. Then you have an "other" that has control of the gun . . . but it's the owner's fault.

Same thing with the dog. Let it run loose and untrained, the "other" will take over from the owner . . . and again, it's the owner's fault.

These nanny-staters want to punish the instrument (gun, dog) and not the owner who is the true guilty party.

74 posted on 02/28/2006 6:59:08 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Lafayette, eh?

Sounds like the communist crap from Boulder has run over its banks and got all the way up Highway 36.

I would recommend a recall petition for the entire City Council and the Mayor, just to get their attention. And the first time the big money guys from PETA or the Humane Society start throwing their weight around, get on the phone with Mike Rosen at KOA and raise some REAL stinks.

Sorry I can't help you directly (I moved out of Broomfield 6 years ago), but I think maybe going out and talking with your own neighbors to get a "buzz" started might be the best tactic. Endanger one of those elected bozo's little ego trip and they get real attentive to local concerns.


75 posted on 02/28/2006 7:28:12 PM PST by Unrepentant VN Vet ("Antique" MSM infers some remaining functionality; IMO they're the zombie media.)
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet
I'm not there -- down in GA, just the last person to post on the thread.

If you tried something like that around here, it would be like kicking a hornet's nest.

And more than one idiot has asked me if my very small and very lively Chocolate Lab is a Pit Bull . . . I don't want idiots deciding that she really IS one . . .

(I mean, does she look like a Pit to you? Not me. Although in this second picture I suppose she does, a little.)


76 posted on 02/28/2006 7:34:04 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: HairOfTheDog

After reading the PDF link, the requirements are outrageous if you want to have one of their listed animals. You can't keep it in the house, it has to wear a fluorescent orange collar provided by the city and it has to be photographed by the police! They even specify the size, shape and construction of the outdoor kennel! What about service dogs that happen to be one of these breeds? Are they to be banned as vicious, even though they are a service animal?


77 posted on 02/28/2006 7:34:07 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: doc30
I'd like to concur that it's outrageous, but you're misreading it I think. Those heaviest restrictions are not for all the listed Animals of Concern Those restrictions are for dogs that have attacked or threatened already.
78 posted on 02/28/2006 7:36:48 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: Himyar

We see great danes at the dog park all of the time. One won't let my most timid basset near him, he is such a big baby.

They just lumped a bunch of big dogs in there.


79 posted on 02/28/2006 7:40:01 PM PST by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: HairOfTheDog

I stand corrected. Too tired from pulling out a stubborn stump in the way for my new fence so my puppies can run loose in the back yard!


80 posted on 02/28/2006 7:55:42 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Loud Mime

THAT was clever! LOL

:)


81 posted on 02/28/2006 7:56:33 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; exnavy
About the size of a large tomcat

Chows are a 40-60 pound dog... Sheesh... I thought I had a big tomcat... ;~D

82 posted on 02/28/2006 7:57:26 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: doc30

You could try explosives ;~D


83 posted on 02/28/2006 7:58:01 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Sorry, AAM, I saw that article, just about beat my keyboard down through the top of my desk and wasn't really paying much attention to where my post got sent.

I'm in central Montana, and folks around here have got pretty much the same attitude about that stuff as your neighbors. Which, BTW, is around half the reason we moved here. (The rest is because of the grandkids living a half mile down the road.)

Good smile on your Choc', she looks like a real prize. (BIG thumbs up.)


84 posted on 02/28/2006 8:01:55 PM PST by Unrepentant VN Vet ("Antique" MSM infers some remaining functionality; IMO they're the zombie media.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Well said. Thanks for the ping!


85 posted on 03/01/2006 3:59:17 AM PST by alwaysconservative (We all stand with Denmark now.)
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To: dervish

Yep, Jacks can be a trial. I've got Great Danes and Jacks. The Jacks are definitely more agressive. I often say if they were Dane-sized they'd have to be destroyed. The Jacks rule the household.


86 posted on 03/01/2006 4:31:05 AM PST by Himyar
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet
She's our spoilt darling, sleeps on the bed and stays with me all day -- though she's good natured enough to compete in Hunting Retriever trials and Agility trials, and she loves doing something that involves running and jumping around (and swimming too.)

This makes me mad too -- anybody tries to take my dog is going to wish they'd never tried . . .

87 posted on 03/01/2006 9:05:28 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

We've got three, all pets that our kids found out they couldn't keep so they "temporarily" left with us.

One's just a mutt(terrier mixed with God alone knows what)but she's smarter than some people I've been around and pretty well rules the roost. Number two is a one-eyed Australian Shepherd who must have a double dose of herding genes, because she'll run field trails on absolutely everything that gets inside the fence. The youngest is a "Yellow" Lab (She's actually snow white)who is hands down the best dog I've ever been around, but snubs everybody as soon as she sees our oldest grandson. (Nobody can figure out just who belongs to whom in that relationship.)

Try to take any of those dogs, and you'd better bring lots of help with supplies for a long term effort.

That's just to get by me, and then you'd have to deal with Grandma.


88 posted on 03/01/2006 9:56:04 AM PST by Unrepentant VN Vet ("Antique" MSM infers some remaining functionality; IMO they're the zombie media.)
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet

She probably thinks that grandson is her personal property. My dog feels that way about me . . . she will even do that "get between behavior" if my hubby or my kids give me a hug. Just a LITTLE possessive . . .


89 posted on 03/01/2006 10:28:14 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Glacier Honey

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. My dog Harm is an Alaskan Malamute/Siberian Husky/Labrador cross. He looks like a Malamute with dorky lab ears. He is rambunctious and very strong, but he is also very loving. According to this, my dog would be one of the "dangerous" dogs. Also, some people mistake him for a wolf hybrid because he looks like a Timber Wolf with lab ears.


90 posted on 03/01/2006 1:02:37 PM PST by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: Glacier Honey; Indy Pendance; Still German Shepherd; dervish; Dick Vomer; Kozak; Joe 6-pack; ...
GERMAN SHEPHERD PING LIST

(Please Freep-mail me if you’d like to be on or off the list.)

91 posted on 03/01/2006 1:11:35 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: exnavy; HiTech RedNeck

Chows vary quite greatly in size. They can be rather "medium" in height, as that pix shows (and like the black 1 that pursued my old cat mercilessly 1 day), or quite tall, closer to mid-thigh height.


92 posted on 03/01/2006 1:16:07 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Himyar

Surprised? How about "St. Bernard", and "Newfoundland" for surprise? Now THAT'S a shock.


93 posted on 03/01/2006 1:18:05 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: ZULU

Patton had a Bull Terrier, not quite a "pit".


94 posted on 03/01/2006 1:30:29 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I believe "Bull terriers" "American Staffordshire Terriers", "English Staffordshire Terriers" and a few others are referred to as "pit bulls" I think "pit bull" is a catch-all term used to describe any type of fighting terrier breed formerly used in dogfights conducted in pits and isn't really the name of a specific breed.

Of course, I have been known to be wrong, but I do know quite a bit about dog breeds.


95 posted on 03/01/2006 2:08:23 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU
"I think "pit bull" is a catch-all term used to describe any type of fighting terrier breed formerly used in dogfights conducted in pits and isn't really the name of a specific breed."

Mostly correct, a lot depending on who you ask. The American Pit Bull Terrier (or APBT) is recognized by the UCA, UKC, ADBA, and CKC as a distinct breed, but it does not have the imprimatur of the AKC, which distinguishes the American Staffordshire.

The real problem is that the lack of definition means that the local dog catcher or police officer is left to discretionarily interpret the legislation as they see fit in these types of bans, which is complete b.s.

As for me, I'll stick with my Assault Sport Utility Shepherds, and any local gendarme who attempts to sieze them had better come prepared to kill me. My eldest has quite literally saved my life twice, and I'm prepared to do what's necessary to save his.

96 posted on 03/01/2006 3:22:01 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

The American Pit Bull Terrier isn't recognized by the CKC.


97 posted on 03/01/2006 5:12:03 PM PST by kanawa (We must all hang together, or, assuredly, we shall all hang separately.)
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To: Glacier Honey
I love St. Bernards and have had one or more for the last 20 years. They aren't for everyone though because thay are so big, but they are gentle giants. The only one I have left is a female that weighs about 130 lbs. She is a big couch potato and very loyal to me. In the 8 years I have had her she has only taken a disliking to 2 people but it turned out she was right about them they were thieves. She dearly loves my three year old son and god help anyone that acts like they will do something to him. As for Saints being dangerous that is a load of horse hockey.
98 posted on 03/01/2006 6:13:27 PM PST by Crackhead Willie
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To: Joe 6-pack

I guess the real point here as you and others point out, is the nebulousness of the term "Pit Bull" and the idiocy of condemning an entire breed of dog due to irrational behavior on the part of a few and the foolishness of some owners.

German Shepherds have my vote as the "most intelligent". I don't care what the animal behaviorists have to say about border collies and poodles. They might be easier to train to do a lot of amusing tricks, but having had a German Shepherd, I, like you, know they can REALLY "think" in a very human sense and analyze and solve problems other so called "intelligent" breeds could never solve.

Sure, they can be problem dogs - some have been overbred by too many puppy mills. But if I had to pick one breed of dog to trust my life with or that of my family, it would be a well-bred, well-trained German Shepherd dog.


99 posted on 03/01/2006 7:23:10 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Glacier Honey

A yellow lab attacked my pug-pitbull mix & my other pitbull just sat there & watched. Granted...the pug mix deserved it...he is a puppy & was being very annoying. He got a rude awakening that day when he realized that not all dogs will play fight with him like his adopted mommy. Luckily, he only had one tooth mark on his neck that broke the skin. He is learning his place.


100 posted on 03/01/2006 7:28:40 PM PST by Feiny ( "Why don't we go up to the old people's home and wax the steps? " ~ Barney Fife)
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