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Lafayette, Colorado Pit Bull and more breed ban
ThePitBullBAND-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ^ | 2/28/2006 | sctweten@yahoo.com

Posted on 02/28/2006 3:52:28 AM PST by Glacier Honey

Lafayette, Colorado is disguising BSL as Animals of Concern. 26 specific breeds are listed. Can you find yours?

Animals of Concern: means animals that based on factual studies, data, or identification by a recognized institute for breed behavior as having a propensity to be aggressive (6 traits) toward humans and domesticated animals; These animals have a higher risk of attack resulting in serious bodily injury and or death. They are identified as: “Pit Bull” for purposes of this chapter, is defined as any dog that is an American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or any dog displaying the majority of physical traits of any one (1) or more of the above breeds, or any dog exhibiting those distinguishing characteristics which substantially conform to the standards established by the American Kennel Club or United Kennel Club for any of the above breeds. Other Animals of Concern include; American Bulldog (Old Country Bulldog), Dogo Argentino, Canary Dog (Canary Island Dog, Presa Canario, Perro de Presa Canario), Presa Mallorquin (Perro de Presa Mallorquin, Ca de Bou), Tosa Inu (Tosa Fighting Dog, Japanese Fighting Dog, Japanese Mastiff), Cane Corso (Cane di Macellaio, Sicilian Branchiero), Fila Brasileiro, Boerboel, Rottweiler, German Shepherd, Chow Chow, Wolf Hybrid, Siberian Husky, Alaskan Malamute, Doberman Pinscher, St. Bernard, Great Dane or any dog displaying the majority of physical traits of any one (1) or more of the above breeds, or any dog exhibiting those distinguishing characteristics which substantially conform to the standards established by the American Kennel Club or United Kennel Club for any of the above breeds.

See report: http://www.cityoflafayette.com/files/itemii022106.pdf

Please send your concerns to: City Council Members

Click here to send an email to all of the members of City Council. Or use the information below to contact them individually. Councilmember Address Telephone Email Mayor Chris Berry term expires 11/2007 1303 Lambert Circle 303-666-1246 Email Mayor Pro Tem David Strungis term expires 11/2009 1620 Sagrimore Circle 303-665-2458 Email Councilor Kerry Bensman term expires 11/2007 2047 Buchanan Point 303-665-8063 Email Councilor Chris Cameron term expires 11/2009 1366 Lambert Circle 303-926-9528 Email Councilor Frank Phillips term expires 11/2007 256 South Finch Avenue 303-604-0159 Email Councilor Carolyn Cutler term expires 11/2009 108 West Cannon Street 303-261-6530 Email Councilor Jay Ruggeri term expires 11/2007 501 North Bermont Street 303-665-5458 Email


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I am not a fan of pit bulls as I was attacked by one but I have never supported the band just for this reason. I have a German Shepard and he is now on this list as our huskeys, and many more. In Aurora, if you own an outlawed dog you have to pay $200 a year just to lisense one. This is crazy and needs to stop. Responsible pet owners are being punished. This is government at it worst. This is becoming like the gun laws.
1 posted on 02/28/2006 3:52:32 AM PST by Glacier Honey
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To: Glacier Honey

There's a band called the "Pit Bulls?"


2 posted on 02/28/2006 3:54:19 AM PST by Loud Mime (Republicans protect Americans from terrorists, Democrats protect terrorists from Americans)
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To: Glacier Honey

Please excuse my spelling errors as I was in a hurry!!!


3 posted on 02/28/2006 3:54:22 AM PST by Glacier Honey
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To: Glacier Honey

Hey, we're just having fun!


4 posted on 02/28/2006 3:57:46 AM PST by Loud Mime (Republicans protect Americans from terrorists, Democrats protect terrorists from Americans)
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To: Glacier Honey
Chow Chow

Little yippy dogs???

5 posted on 02/28/2006 4:00:15 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Glacier Honey

More over regulation by government. Intrusive government knows no bounds.


6 posted on 02/28/2006 4:04:40 AM PST by exnavy (God bless America)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Those are big yippy dogs. I mean BIG.


7 posted on 02/28/2006 4:05:39 AM PST by exnavy (God bless America)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Little yippy dogs???

These dogs, as has been proved scientifically, can shred ankles just like a flick of your fingers. Then what have you got? People hopping away as dogs stretch the leash. Rrrroowf.
8 posted on 02/28/2006 4:06:12 AM PST by carumba (The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho)
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To: Glacier Honey

Thanks for posting and I agree, we are becoming far too regulated and Orwellian. As a child I was badly bitten by an English Springer Spaniel (sp?). My parents and the owners decided that since I'd teased the dog, (I had) that I had it coming. I stayed away from him and he ended up running away from his owner and mauling a little girl playing in her front yard. He wasn't destroyed he was given to an elderly man who lived alone. My cousins had a cocker named Jetter who was equally aggressive, he'd bite of you tried petting him on the left side of his head (of course I had to try) so I was bitten and bled all over the place but I didn't tell anyone - those were the days when kids were blamed if they acted irresponsibly. To think I could have sued my Aunt and Uncle for millions!


9 posted on 02/28/2006 4:07:47 AM PST by Rockiette (Democrats are not intelligent!)
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To: Glacier Honey

Glad to see mine aren't on there.

Mine are of the pure breed known as "Carolina Curb Setters".


10 posted on 02/28/2006 4:09:38 AM PST by PeteB570 (Find 'um on a curb anywhere)
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To: carumba

I have a Chow, and yes, they go for the tendons, but usually of other animals. She loves people but other dogs are lunch. Just the way it is.


11 posted on 02/28/2006 4:10:45 AM PST by ShutUpandSing
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To: exnavy
About the size of a large tomcat
12 posted on 02/28/2006 4:12:15 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: exnavy
Yes, and as I stated - I am not a fan of pit bulls and have the scars to prove it but I have known just as many non aggressive pit bulls as aggressive ones.

Two weeks ago at the dog park a yellow lab attacked another dog and the owner thought it was just because the dog was not mature. It was an alpha dog and dog aggressive. All breeds have an alpha and omega and can be dog aggressive. I also have a black lab and she is the sweetest dog there ever was and was bullied by this other lab. The lady finally left after a few dog owners asked her to.

The problem is that the type of people who own aggressive dogs tend to be gang members - lower income, minorities or people who do not value dogs as loved pets and keep them chained or strictly outside and are not socialized. These type of people are not going to obey these new laws they are trying to pass.
13 posted on 02/28/2006 4:12:59 AM PST by Glacier Honey
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To: Glacier Honey

I believe your assement is correct.


14 posted on 02/28/2006 4:15:25 AM PST by exnavy (God bless America)
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To: Rockiette
LOL - yes - I've been bitten my a cocker spaniel and was chased on my bike and bitten on the ankle by a shelty but I still rode my bike by the same house and would yell at it and it left me alone. Today I could sue them and then I would not have to work.
15 posted on 02/28/2006 4:17:39 AM PST by Glacier Honey
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I stand corrected sir, your right.


16 posted on 02/28/2006 4:19:23 AM PST by exnavy (God bless America)
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To: Glacier Honey
Any time the government punishes innocent people because of the irresponsibility of others it's dead wrong. German Shepherd? Great Dane? I have some experience with these breeds and they are not "aggressive". Protective, yes. Aggressive, no way.
17 posted on 02/28/2006 4:20:07 AM PST by manwiththehands
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To: Glacier Honey; exnavy

What bulls***! Granted, I live out in the country, but there is a Staffordshire (Pit Bull), three Rottweilers, a Doberman and a Mastiff up the road from me. All of them bark at strangers, but not one has tried to bite me when I visit with their owners-the nastiest biting dog on this road is a Jack Russell Terrier owned by an equally nasty human. We have a Siberian Husky, and over the many years have had three other "dangerous dogs" that never bit anyone-two German Shepherds and a Chow. The Chow lived the longest at 17 years, and yes, everyone was terrified of him because he lookied ferocious and barked at strangers, but he never tried to hurt anyone who was a guest in our house. He and both of the (female) Shepherds were always gentle with our kids, and were great body guards for them, too. Our Husky is a good watchdog, but she has never tried to bite anyone either. I hope this crap gets stopped in it's tracks-they need to just fine irresponsible dog owners of ANY breed, period.


18 posted on 02/28/2006 4:26:03 AM PST by Texan5 (You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line..)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Chows are unpredictable. My stepmom's mauled her over a dog biscuit. He was not abused at all and she is an experienced dog owner. However, I'm surprised at Great Danes being banned. My two are sweeties. I can't imagine them attacking someone unless they were defending me or the property. Even then, I'm not sure how agressive they'd be.


19 posted on 02/28/2006 4:27:53 AM PST by Himyar
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To: ShutUpandSing

Our Chow got along well with other dogs as long as they didn't try to come into the yard or house. He also got along with the two cats we had, but a strange cat that wandered into the back yard would have been toast...


20 posted on 02/28/2006 4:31:14 AM PST by Texan5 (You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line..)
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To: manwiththehands
My German Shepard was raised at the dog park and was fine until he reached 2 then he started being a bully - picking on the more timid dogs. He wouldn't attack them to kill them but he did break the skin of a beagle and I had him evaluated by a professional dog trainer and we agreed he was no longer a candidate for the dog park because he has a strong prey drive. He is very well trained and very gentle with kids and cats and gets along well with dogs who visit our house. So I am responsible and do not take him to the dog park and he is now in agility training. I only take my lab to the dog park now. But I did not need the government to tell me this! I'm happy to be able to do the right thing and govern myself.
21 posted on 02/28/2006 4:32:33 AM PST by Glacier Honey
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To: Texan5
We have come to a very sad place in this country. I watched on CNN last night (I sometimes like to watch the enemy propaganda machine) as a young man with "13 years of law enforcement experience" who looked like he was about 21 years old promoted the idea of total passiveness during holdups and robberies. I was appalled. I said to my wife and 19 year old daughter who were with me, don't listen to this bozo, watch for the key opening when a robber turns head, or focus' attention else where and than fight like hell.
22 posted on 02/28/2006 4:35:38 AM PST by exnavy (God bless America)
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To: exnavy
Those are big yippy dogs. I mean BIG.

18-22 inches, 45-70 pounds...more like medium sized dogs and a propensity to get fat. Put that much hair on a medium-sized dog and it appears much larger. And I've seen some Chows that I know had to be considerably larger than standard. There was some guy that used to haul a couple of them around in the back of his full-size pickup...wasn't much room left back there.

23 posted on 02/28/2006 4:44:01 AM PST by elli1
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To: Glacier Honey

That's nuts


24 posted on 02/28/2006 4:44:06 AM PST by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: Glacier Honey
I'm happy to be able to do the right thing and govern myself.

Welcome to the shrinking minority.

25 posted on 02/28/2006 4:44:58 AM PST by Huck (Roe/Kelo: You have a right to privacy IN your bedroom; you just don't have a right TO your bedroom.)
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To: Glacier Honey

Bump


26 posted on 02/28/2006 4:49:05 AM PST by kanawa
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To: PeteB570
Glad to see mine aren't on there. Mine are of the pure breed known as "Carolina Curb Setters"

Guess mine wouldn't be included either..his name is "Stray"!!

27 posted on 02/28/2006 4:54:09 AM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Most Americans are so spoiled with freedom they have no idea what it takes to earn and keep it.)
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To: Glacier Honey

http://www.txfadd.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

Please check out this site.


28 posted on 02/28/2006 5:02:13 AM PST by wolfcreek
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To: MizSterious; Kokojmudd; brytlea; Darnright; Sensei Ern; sangrila; rattrap; dervish; sandalwood; ...

Breed Ban Ping


29 posted on 02/28/2006 5:05:17 AM PST by kanawa
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To: Himyar; Texan5
Chow? Our Chow also made it to 17 before we had to put her to sleep.

That dog guarded our little kids like the Secret Service does the President. Her ears were up and her eyes followed their every move. Anybody or critter get too rough with the little ones and she would step in the middle and give the offender "the eye".

She suffered endless ear tugs and tail pulls in silence. She was used as a pillow and step stool every day for years. When it got too bad she would stand up, give the kids a lot and move out to another room.

She hated cats, squirrels and opossums. They entered our yard at their own peril.
30 posted on 02/28/2006 5:08:28 AM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: Glacier Honey
The problem is that the type of people who own aggressive dogs tend to be gang members - lower income, minorities or people who do not value dogs as loved pets and keep them chained or strictly outside and are not socialized. These type of people are not going to obey these new laws they are trying to pass.

I believe you are wrong.

Any breed of dog can be aggressive, to the point of attack. The problem is not the dog, but the owner. Certain breeds require more discipline (rules, boundaries, and limitations, as Cesar says) but the norm is also for these breeds to be very intelligent and responsive to the proper attitude. AmStafs, German Shepherds, Dobermans, and Rotties are all wonderful dogs, but not for everybody.

You don't have to be a minority to be stupid, or to be a stupid dog owner. The world is full of them.

31 posted on 02/28/2006 5:10:01 AM PST by WarEagle (This ISN'T Karl Rove's fault...)
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To: Glacier Honey

I would recommend you research the "breed" of the people pushing the ban.

Two animal rights groups joined forces a while back and have a $90 million war chest to push their radical agenda. They have publicly stated that they intent to target states, as their effort to push their wierd agenda failed in congress. Included in their agenda is the goal to ban ownership of all dogs.

I can guarantee you this is just the beginning. In 5 to 10 years that list will grow to twice or three times that size. Everytime a dog breed growls or snaps at a person it will be added to the list. It's the nature of the control freaks.

Look to see if there's Human Society of the United States money behind this effort. The people running this outfit are left wing, animal worshipping kooks.

My speculation is that HSUS is behind this ban, and this is only the beginning.


32 posted on 02/28/2006 5:11:06 AM PST by sergeantdave (You can count on phalanges)
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To: wolfcreek

It's good to see that some action is being taken.
The owner should have gotten more than a slap on the wrist.

FR threads concerning this incident...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1529762/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1529413/posts


33 posted on 02/28/2006 5:11:35 AM PST by kanawa
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To: Glacier Honey

Please don't compare inanimate objects to animals that have a mind and instinct all their own. Thank you.


34 posted on 02/28/2006 5:14:14 AM PST by kx9088
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To: Glacier Honey

You are right-anyone who gets a dog and just tosses it out in the yard to be ignored shouldn't have a pet-if the animal isn't good enough to share someone's home and life, they don't need to own a pet.


35 posted on 02/28/2006 5:21:38 AM PST by Texan5 (You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line..)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Chows are vicious. They are kept by many as junk yard dogs.


36 posted on 02/28/2006 5:23:28 AM PST by Fawn (I want the Madonna and Mick Jagger diet and exercise books!!!)
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To: WarEagle
Yes you are right. Any dog has the ability to bite and can become aggressive. I was just generalizing. Not everyone is capable of handling any type of breed. As I mentioned in a reply - I have known aggressive labs. She was never allowed to roam or be lose around other dogs. My Shepard is very well trained but I would not trust him loose around other dogs. He is a dog and can be easily provoked. Even though my current lab is not aggressive at all I would never tell anyone she is not capable of biting another dog or human.

My whole point is that people need to be responsible for their pets and training them. We don't need laws to govern responsible behavior. I would never own a pit bull. My dog and I were attacked by one when I was 19 and jogging in the park. My dog was on a leash and I received 24 stitches and my dog lost his front leg. This happened in 1982, in Texas. The owner was never prosecuted. That dog should not have been loose and the owner should have had the dog destroyed knowing it was vicious. That would have been the responsible thing to do.
37 posted on 02/28/2006 5:29:25 AM PST by Glacier Honey
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To: kx9088; Glacier Honey
Please don't compare inanimate objects to animals that have a mind and instinct all their own. Thank you.

Please do compare issues where personal responsibilty and nanny-statism is involved.
Thank you.

38 posted on 02/28/2006 5:33:55 AM PST by kanawa (We must all hang together, or, assuredly, we shall all hang separately.)
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To: Glacier Honey

They include German Shepherds, St. Bernards, and Great Danes as suspected vicious dogs. Put them in a cage such as they require, and almost any dog would become vicious!

I have known very good, friendly German Shepherds. Our daughter used to craw over her grandparents' Shepherd, pull its ears, jab her elbows into its sides as she crawled over it, and the dog would moan tolerantly, and acted very protective of our "puppy." Shepherds will defend the family, unike some politicians.

Great Danes (also on the list) are not especially vicious: just big. St. Bernards are very friendly, if properly trained.

Chows are a menace. I have never known a good one, but if you want to keep one, that is your business.

To understand this law, you have to know the town which passed it. Does anyone know the 2004 election results from there? I would be willing to bet ...


39 posted on 02/28/2006 5:46:07 AM PST by docbnj
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To: Glacier Honey

The fine in this county for a dog running loose is $500.00 per dog, per occurance. If the dog gets onto one of the many ranches out here and starts bothering livestock, it is a dead dog-if it escapes that fate, being eaten by a cougar or a pack of coyotes is still possible. Dogs are smart and easily distracted by 'coons and possums to try to get out of their yards, so most of us keep our dogs indoors when we are not there to watch them-my Husky is an escape artist extraordinaire, and so was our Chow. We haven't had a dog bite incident out here in the 3 years we've lived here, and this is a big county...


40 posted on 02/28/2006 5:50:34 AM PST by Texan5 (You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line..)
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To: docbnj; Fawn

Two of us here have had Chows that were both good watchdogs and beloved family pets, gentle with children and other animals within the family "pack". Maybe my neighbor's Jack Russell used to be a junkyard dog and that is why he is vicious-being tossed into a junkyard would make me vicious, too-he is a hateful little beast, disliked by everyone who lives on this road. Dogs are pack animals-Huskies and Malamutes in particular exhibit strong pack behavior-their human family is their pack and the children are the "puppies" of the human alpha pair-and that alpha pair (the owners) must always keep the dog aware that they are dominant so there will not be problems-with any breed of dog.


41 posted on 02/28/2006 6:03:21 AM PST by Texan5 (You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line..)
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To: kanawa
Thanks for the additional links! There's more to this story that I can't respond to at this time but, will post when appropriate.
42 posted on 02/28/2006 6:03:36 AM PST by wolfcreek
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To: kanawa; Glacier Honey

Thanks for the ping

"or any dog displaying the majority of physical traits"

That amorphous criteria is an open door to anything the government wants to do.


43 posted on 02/28/2006 6:03:41 AM PST by dervish ("And what are we becoming? The civilization of melted butter?")
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To: Rockiette
Curious, isn't it. I've lived with 'killer dogs' all my life: GSD, Dobermans, Danes and the only dog who ever bit was a Scottie.

I've been bitten once: Cocker Spaniel. Our vets unfailingly mention small dogs: cockers, terriers. Never Dobes, who are amazingly stoic.

So, I've wondered about others sharing my paradoxical relationship with dogs.

44 posted on 02/28/2006 6:05:56 AM PST by doberville
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To: Texan5
Yes - Current laws should be enforced and I agree. I am not trying to defend aggressive dogs who attack and harm or kill Innocent people. I am just stating people should take responsibility for the pets they own and to know the type of breed they own and the requirements of that breed.

If someone owns an aggressive dog - no matter the breed - they need to take responsibility and either put the dog down or take the necessary steps to keep the dog secure to ensure it never hurts another human or animal. But don't punish responsible pet owners.
45 posted on 02/28/2006 6:06:22 AM PST by Glacier Honey
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To: WarEagle

"AmStafs, German Shepherds, Dobermans, and Rotties are all wonderful dogs, but not for everybody."

Ay-Men!

I don't know how many times I would get folks p*ssed off with me because I refused to place a rescued Dobe in their house.

I would tell them that Dobes were good dogs, "but not a dog for everybody, and definitely not for you". It still amazes me that people take such great offense at that reality being pointed out to them.

Friends and family were the worst. Some still won't talk to me.

OTH, because I was so stubborn, I've turned around and placed some really HARD case dogs, the ones with two paws on the .38 and two on a banana peel, with great success for both the dog and the owners.

It aint the dogs, they're just dogs. Its the people who create the problems. And usually its ego that is the catalyst for the great amount of stupidity when dealing with dogs.


46 posted on 02/28/2006 6:11:12 AM PST by Al Gator (Remember to pillage BEFORE you burn!)
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To: Glacier Honey

I totally agree-this is just more nanny statism, along with a shameless attempt to extort "fees" for God-knows-what from pet owners-when we lived in the city, the city council voted to license CATS! When I went to the monthly town hall meeting, I asked my councilman what in the hell that was about-he just smiled and said "We need more money"!


47 posted on 02/28/2006 6:11:30 AM PST by Texan5 (You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line..)
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To: Glacier Honey
Glacier Honey, it sounds like you have good sense - a commodity sadly lacking on this planet!
48 posted on 02/28/2006 6:14:04 AM PST by doberville
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To: Glacier Honey

hrm.. so i'm wondering how these people would look at my old neighbors dog.. german shepherd, rott, pitt, doberman mix. dog looks scarey, but is the most loving dog i've ever met- and not in an aggressive, jump on you, kind of way. he'd just trot up to you, and lean against you until you pet him.


49 posted on 02/28/2006 6:17:36 AM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: Glacier Honey

Increasingly our freedoms are being threatened by a coterie of politicians who pander to various pressure groups desiring a bubble-safe environment for everyone - like it or not.

The problem isn't "pit bulls" or any other brreds. Its irresponsible idiot owners who buy macho type dogs and don't have the slightest knowledge about how to control and train them, or simply are too lazy to do so.

The other problem are "puppy mills" which generate dogs of poor stock for mass marketing at discount prices and the fools who patronize them.

A well-trained "pit bull" from reliable stock can be a trustworthy companion - Teddy Roosevelt had one. so did General Patton.


50 posted on 02/28/2006 6:22:59 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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