Debate swirls as wind power grows rapidly across country

ap on Bakersfield Californian ^ | 1/1/06 | John Christofferson - ap

[Socratic]

Giant windmills are popping up on farms, scenic mountain ridges, prairie grass and now an Indian reservation, dramatically changing the nation's landscape and spinning a debate about where they belong. ...as the first offshore projects are proposed in popular tourist areas, such as Cape Cod, Long Island, N.Y., and the New Jersey shore

"From the mountains, to the prairies, to the oceans, white with foam. No one wants to see a windmill from their home!"

[Age of Reason]

It's obvious we are out of room and resources.

It's time to stabilize America's runaway population growth from legal immigration.

We must preserve what's left of our resources and natural spaces for the future of America's children.

[RightWhale]

Coal has doubled in price in the past fifty years with or without the Greenies. The plants that use coal have also increased in cost, partly because of new regulation.

[Age of Reason]

Runaway legal immigration - Too Many People using energy

[Age of Reason]

Nukes is the only cost-effective way to go, or relax the constraints on coal plants.

Had we more wisely limited legal immigration from the 1960s on,--

America would have half as many people and twice as much energy to go around.

[RightWhale]

Read the Club of Rome 'Limits to Growth' long ago and it made my backhairs stand up. Even thinking that there are such people who believe that still gives the shivers. It is getting crowded down here, though; maybe we should advance the schedule for escape from this mudball.

[KenmcG414]

China and Europe are well ahead of us in bringing nuclear power plants on line. The answer to higher energy costs is nuclear not wind or solar. When the iron curtain collapsed the socialists rallied around environmental causes. The environmentalists contineue to hamper our progress.

[Age of Reason]

. It is getting crowded down here, though; maybe we should advance the schedule for escape from this mudball.

Let the rest of the world get crowded if it wants.

It's time we avoid their fate by shutting the door to runaway legal immigration.

Like all ages, it's time for the great age of immigration to end in America, because we have enough people, thank you world.

[RightWhale]

Open immigration ended in 1924. Should be tapering off anytime now.

[Dane]

Gee then you must be tickled pink about the 40 million abortions that have occured in the US since 1973.

[Praxeologue]

Environmentalist opposition to wind power generation makes nuclear a stronger option.

They should be careful what they wish for.

[Age of Reason]

I took a quick look around the web about that Club of Rome thing--and they may be off by a handful of years, but that's not a bad percentage for a prediction.

The industrialization of the third world has only recently begun with a vengeance.

We will see great shortages and much pollution over the next twenty years because of this.

And probably some kind of major war will result.

And all people in all countries will lose much of whatever freedom they have, just as the loss of our freedoms have been accelerating lately.

[Age of Reason]

Gee then you must be tickled pink about the 40 million abortions that have occured in the US since 1973.

Not my kids.

[Dane]

Not my kids

Why don't you just come out and say it, you think the 40 million abortions in America since 1973 is a good thing, like the envirowhackos and the liberal democrat socialists think.

[RightWhale]

Jeremiah was scarier. Maybe it's the way King James' English parses.

[ovrtaxt]

I guess that narrows down the solution to:

billions of dead humans= less pressure on the planet's resources.

The envirowhack's final solution.

[Sacajaweau]

Oh hell....Windex has killed more birds than these windmills will ever kill.....and cats like birdies, too.

[q_an_a]

the end of the stone age did not occur because of a lack of stones!! - Here is another wind company taht will change the way we get electricity.

Mag-Wind Co. L.L.C. in February will install one of its first five pre-production models -- possibly the one nicknamed "Toto" by its inventor -- atop the developer's (Ross Perot Jr.) Victory office building in downtown Dallas.

On the roof of a home this turbine, which costs $10,000 installed will run the average home. Thus with a $250 per month electric bill it will pay for itself in 4 years. Right now they claim that the turbine will last 10 years.

PS - they are building a new plant in the Dallas area for all of their production. American jobs from a Canadian start up founded 13 years ago. The founders say in the story - "In Texas, you present an idea and they just roll up their sleeves and get to work," he said. "That's why we're here and not in Ontario."

[Muleteam1]

This past summer while driving somewhere near San Jon, New Mexico, I stopped by the gate to one of these very large array of wind turbines just to see who owned it. The sign read Mitsubishi (sp?) Corporation. Did we do a good job of rebuilding Japan or what?

Muleteam1

[junta]

In my travels on I-80 this fall I can say that the number of wind powered generation sets headed East was well into the doublt digits and each was big as a small house.