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Teacher defends "Santa" remarks (Full, unedited statement)
Lebanon Daily News ^ | 12/23/05 | Theresa R. Farrisi

Posted on 12/26/2005 8:11:14 AM PST by Conservatrix

To the Editor:

"Last week I substituted at a local elementary school in Lebanon County. The lesson plan required me to read the 1882 poem “The Night Before Christmas” by Clement Clarke Moore to two classes of students. While I can appreciate the poem for its literary value, the subject matter is offensive to me, and the reading of this poem to the children imposed values upon me which are against my deeply held religious beliefs. I could not in good conscience present the notion of Santa Claus as a truth to the children, and stated so.

No public school teacher should be required to teach a belief, or custom, or religion that he or she believes to be false, or be required to pass those purported falsehoods onto impressionable children, without the right to state a disclaimer. Furthermore, freedom of speech and religion, no matter how unpopular the speech or against cultural norms the religion, are protected rights under the Constitution of the United States. A secular public school should not be propagating any kind of religion. The belief in Santa Claus as a divine, magical, omniscient, powerful, giving, loving father-figure, to which children are taught to make supplications and requests, is a religion indeed-- a distorted substitute for the Judeo-Christian God; a false form of Christianity; a zealously-protected American idol.

In presenting the poem, I gave the children quick historical background about the Santa Claus myth-- its evolution from the historic Nickolaus, Bishop of Myrna in Asia Minor, who died in 343 A.D., to its amalgamation with ancient Western pagan traditions of German, Scandinavian and Dutch origins, to the current manifestation in the secular Christmas culture of today. (Dutch children, for example, would put their wooden shoes out at night for “Sante Klaus” to fill with candies.)

The current Santa Claus figure was popularized in the late 19th Century by artist Thomas Nast of Harper’s Weekly Magazine, who depicted “Saint Nick,” not as an elf, but a rotund, pipe-smoking man in a red and white suit. This is the deity to which countless public school children today are taught to make supplications, and about whom they sing their many songs at annual public school Christmas programs.

If people are upset about the revelation to children that Santa Claus is a myth-- which all children who are taught this lie find or figure out eventually-- perhaps it is because Santa is that zealously-guarded idol of their own modern religion. Therefore, as a religion, let Santa be kept out of the public school classroom (no more “Dear Santa” letters to line those school hallways)--or perhaps, in the interest of “diversity,” make his mythical, oversized personage share equal representation in literature, and song, and Christmas programs, with the other Person of the season: the Lord Jesus Christ, God made flesh, God with us."


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To: Politicalmom

She had NO authority to do what she did. She should have just read a different story and avoided the "horrible, offensive" material entirely.


Subs have to try to do what lessons plans say.

Is it horrible to stand up for what you bleive in the face of unpopular opinion?


201 posted on 12/26/2005 9:37:13 AM PST by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: Conservatrix

Diddle E. Squat in post 167 analysed the argument well.


203 posted on 12/26/2005 9:37:29 AM PST by hershey
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To: Lurker

I agree. I am a public high school teacher. This sub had no business destroying a child's faith in Santa. Belief in Santa is between the child and its parents.

This teacher believes Santa to be a form of modern religion. She makes a lame case for such a belief. Her take on Santa is not gospel. It's her take. This teacher should never be invited back to sub again.


204 posted on 12/26/2005 9:38:08 AM PST by kjo
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To: MineralMan
"'Twas the Night Before Christmas" is a secular poem designed to promote Christmas as a commercial holiday.

Parables. Jesus taught in parables

Ding ding ding! Tell him what he's won! Oh, wait, sorry, that's not the right answer. 1 John 15 is not a parable; it is a metaphor.

Santa is not Jesus. Santa is a myth.

And I'm suggesting that perhaps, properly used, Santa is also a metaphor.

"'Twas the Night Before Christmas" is a secular poem designed to promote Christmas as a commercial holiday.

Actually, no, it was not. It is a secular poem, yes. But its author never really intended for it to be so widely read and enjoyed; he wrote it for the sake of his family alone. It has indeed taken on a life of its own, to use a metaphor.

For Christians, Jesus is not a myth. For everyone, Santa is a myth. Yet, the Santa stories are taught to children as if Santa were a god, fulfilling wishes, flying through the air, punishing bad children, and all that sort of diety kind of thing.

I don't know of any Christian who thinks the real God is anything like that silly little cartoon picture you're painting. What you're describing sounds more like that Aladdin cartoon character---or Santa. But not God.

205 posted on 12/26/2005 9:38:12 AM PST by mcg1969
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To: Lurker; Conservatrix
No, she decided that she was going to foist her own petty brand of meanness on a bunch of 6 and 7 year old kids who couldn't point to Eastern Europe on a map, much less comprehend what the year 562 was.

Exactly.

I used to have a friend who was a Seventh Day Adventist, and he always said he wouldn't hype Santa, the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy on his kids when he had them, because he didn't want them to think that Jesus Christ was a myth too. Fine, that's his prerogative as a parent.

It was none of this woman's business. If it offends her personal moral code, don't take the job.

206 posted on 12/26/2005 9:38:20 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: One_who_hopes_to_know

"She has abandoned the Godly attributes of grace and moderation by attempting to take on secular humanism on their turf."

"the subject matter is offensive to me, and the reading of this poem to the children imposed values upon me which are against my deeply held religious beliefs. I could not in good conscience present the notion of Santa Claus as a truth to the children, and stated so."


207 posted on 12/26/2005 9:38:28 AM PST by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: picturebell

Oh yes they do, my friend. I just heard the story of a man who, when he was young, was told finally that his parents lied to himn about there being a Santa Claus. The then-boy replied, "Dad, when are you going to tell me Jesus isn't real also"?
puh-leeeze... what a crock...self righteous grinches...


THAT WAS A TRUE STORY.


208 posted on 12/26/2005 9:39:03 AM PST by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: Conservatrix
She never said Santa was dead

It doesn't matter what she claims she said. It's a matter of fact that the some of the kids went home believing Santa Clause was dead. That's what she taught them. Way to go.

209 posted on 12/26/2005 9:39:18 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: All
Here is her Email vrf2@psu.edu http://www.personal.psu.edu/staff/v/r/vrf2/ address I googled her name. Here is her Book. The Complete Diapering Book and Resource Guide by Theresa Rodriguez Farrisi
210 posted on 12/26/2005 9:39:28 AM PST by Nalu
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Amen, this woman does not belong near small children. I maintain she has a deep hatred for children and is only using the religion angle as a cover. She is one sick bebee and needs to be sent to work in a turnip processing factory where the turnips won't care what she says.
211 posted on 12/26/2005 9:40:45 AM PST by pepperdog
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To: kjo

"This sub had no business destroying a child's faith in Santa. Belief in Santa is between the child and its parents. This teacher believes Santa to be a form of modern religion. She makes a lame case for such a belief. Her take on Santa is not gospel. It's her take."



"I never said in my telephone interviews with Mr. Schuyler that I want everyone to “agree with” my beliefs about teaching, or not teaching, Santa Claus to children. What I said, as I stated in my letter to the editor and evidently need to clarify further, was that 1) what public school is doing by promoting Santa Claus is promoting a form of religion; that 2) religion should not be promoted in public school; 3) a teacher should not be required to promote a religion in public school; and 4) the lesson plan requiring me to promote Santa Claus was imposing religion on me, not the other way around. I certainly am not responsible for, or interested in, making people believe as I do about anything, for that is definitely not my job."


212 posted on 12/26/2005 9:41:10 AM PST by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: All

"DEAR EDITOR: I am 8 years old.
"Some of my little friends say there is no Santa Claus.
"Papa says, 'If you see it in THE SUN it's so.'
"Please tell me the truth; is there a Santa Claus?

"VIRGINIA O'HANLON.
"115 WEST NINETY-FIFTH STREET."

VIRGINIA, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia, whether they be men's or children's, are little. In this great universe of ours man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measure by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.

Yes, VIRGINIA, there is a Santa Claus. He exists certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! How dreary would be the world if there were no Santa Claus! It would be as dreary as if there were no VIRGINIAS. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light which childhood fills the world would be extinguished.

Not believe in Santa Claus! You might as well not believe in fairies! You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas Eve to catch Santa Claus, but even if they did not see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove? Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is no Santa Claus. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that's no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.

You tear apart the baby's rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest man that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, VIRGINIA, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding. No Santa Claus! Thank GOD! He lives, and he lives forever. A thousand years from now, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood.


213 posted on 12/26/2005 9:41:25 AM PST by saquin
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To: BibChr; Conservatrix
And, finally, to answer your question: I never lie to my children. Never. And they have an exceptionally rich fantasy life. I just teach them that some things are fun make-believe, some things are true, and there is a crucial difference.

...and I have a slightly different approach. You can say yours is the more valuable or correct, and I can argue that mine is.

My point is this: we can argue. As soon as you circumvent me, I'll have a problem with you.

You can argue that by perpetuating the myth of Santa in the classroom, I'm imposing my view on your kid. The truth of the matter is this: you can easily tell your children that Santa is a myth and that it is pleasant for kids to believe the myth-- and that's why they see him in schools. You've thereby innoculated them. If they then tell my kid there is no Santa, it's no big deal-- they're just another kid.

Not so easy for me to do the opposite thing after someone has decided to dispell the myth. It's over. Done. Someone else has taken it upon themselves to be "the parent"-- someone in implicit authority.

THAT'S what this is about.

214 posted on 12/26/2005 9:42:28 AM PST by Egon (I don't want edible meat, I want edible animals. - CygnusXI)
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To: pepperdog

"she has a deep hatred for children"

On the contrary, she has a deep hatred for telling lies to children.


215 posted on 12/26/2005 9:42:33 AM PST by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: saquin

BARF!!!!!!!!!


216 posted on 12/26/2005 9:42:58 AM PST by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: Sister_T

The point is she had no RIGHT to do this.

It was NOT her business, and she had no authority to do so.

She is messing with OTHER PEOPLE'S decisions about their children.


217 posted on 12/26/2005 9:42:58 AM PST by Politicalmom (Must I use a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Conservatrix

I suppose, then, that she too would have corrected Jesus when he claimed to be a vine.


218 posted on 12/26/2005 9:43:57 AM PST by mcg1969
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To: Egon
Someone else has taken it upon themselves to be "the parent"

You're exactly right.

219 posted on 12/26/2005 9:44:21 AM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: Conservatrix
"Yes, I don't think she was really concerned about the children. It sounded like she was overly concerned with herself, IMHO."

"No public school teacher should be required to teach a belief, or custom, or religion that he or she believes to be false, or be required to pass those purported falsehoods onto impressionable children, without the right to state a disclaimer."

Sounds like caring about them a great deal."

It's a poem, and I'm sure there are other literary works that "offend" her. Perhaps she'll suggest burning them next time. This teacher had/has NO sense of boundaries. She overstepped the line of her authority (in addition to just being wacked). Like others said, the parents are the ones to tell kids that there is or is not a Santa. And, if this teacher was somewhat sane, she would have brought the matter and her concerns up to her supervisor and like has been pointed out numerous times,
1. Not read the poem
2. Got another class assignment
3. Quit and gone home, realizing she didn't have the sensitivity or temperament to teach children

Instead of making a class full of six year olds cry. I like option number 3. :o)
220 posted on 12/26/2005 9:44:24 AM PST by khnyny (Merry Christmas)
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