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Walter Haut, spokesman who announced wreckage of flying saucer in Roswell, died at 83
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Posted on 12/18/2005 2:13:27 PM PST by lunarbicep

ALBUQUERQUE - The man made famous for issuing a news release that said a flying saucer landed in Roswell has died.

Army Lt. Walter Haut, a former spokesman for the Roswell Army Air Field, died Thursday in Roswell, his daughter, Julie Shuster, said. He was 83.

Haut listened closely on July 8, 1947 as base commander Col. William Blanchard dictated a news release about a recovered flying saucer and ordered Haut to issue it.

The Roswell Daily Record newspaper ran a bold headline July 9, 1947: "RAAF Captures Flying Saucer on Ranch in Roswell Region."

The same day, a statement was released saying it was only a weather balloon.

"I guess they changed their mind," Haut told The Associated Press in 1997.

Haut said he never was told exactly where the flying disc reported in his news release was found nor did he, himself, ever see a UFO.

But he remained a believer.

"There must have been something in the skies at that time," he said. "There's just too much evidence."

Haut and two other men founded The International UFO Museum in 1991 where he was president until 1996. More than 2 1/2 million people have visited the museum since it opened in 1992, Shuster said.

It wasn't until the late 1980s that Shuster said she and her sister learned about the flying saucer incident, not from their father but from a book.

"It was not a topic of conversation at the dinner table for anybody involved," she said.

Haut, born June 3, 1922, in Chicago is survived by his two daughters, Shuster and Marabeth Fields of Roswell, three grandchildren and four great-grandchildren..

A viewing is scheduled Monday in Roswell at the LaGrone Funeral Home. Funeral services are set for 11 a.m. Tuesday at Trinity United Methodist.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: flyingsuckers; kooks; obituary; roswell; tinfoil; ufononsense; ufos
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1 posted on 12/18/2005 2:13:28 PM PST by lunarbicep
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To: lunarbicep

At least, they want us to BELIEVE he died...


2 posted on 12/18/2005 2:14:31 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: lunarbicep

I think we need an autopsy. Something's fishy here.


3 posted on 12/18/2005 2:15:44 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: lunarbicep

The truth is out there...?


4 posted on 12/18/2005 2:17:55 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: lunarbicep

I didn't even know he was sick!


5 posted on 12/18/2005 2:20:08 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: BurbankKarl; Las Vegas Dave; KevinDavis

Ping.


6 posted on 12/18/2005 2:21:07 PM PST by LucyT (Merry, Merry Christmas, everyone.)
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To: lunarbicep

Another victim of the Men in Black.


7 posted on 12/18/2005 2:23:20 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: lunarbicep

"Haut and two other men founded The International UFO Museum in 1991 where he was president until 1996. More than 2 1/2 million people have visited the museum since it opened in 1992, Shuster said."

That's alot of dough if they are charging admission. I want to start a UFO museum too...lol


8 posted on 12/18/2005 2:23:29 PM PST by penelopesire
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To: lunarbicep
Damm! They finally silenced him!
9 posted on 12/18/2005 2:25:07 PM PST by null and void (Peace on Earth. Death to the Terrorists...)
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To: billorites

Ha! Thanks for the best laugh of the day!


10 posted on 12/18/2005 2:29:07 PM PST by JennysCool (Non-Y2K-Compliant)
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To: mcg1969
At least, they want us to BELIEVE he died...

LOL!

11 posted on 12/18/2005 2:30:00 PM PST by CAWats (And I will make no distinction between the terrorists and the democrats.)
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To: penelopesire
That's alot of dough if they are charging admission. I want to start a UFO museum too...lol

they have Christmas ornaments:




Alien Ornament Item Price:$ 5.95

12 posted on 12/18/2005 2:31:44 PM PST by lunarbicep (There is something about a closet that makes a skeleton terribly restless.)
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To: Brilliant

maybe an alien autopsy at that...


13 posted on 12/18/2005 2:33:02 PM PST by willyd (No nation has ever taxed its citizens into prosperity)
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To: lunarbicep

I personally suspect that the aliens were helping with the Manhattan project and follow on research. While living in Los Alamos, they went on a tequila run to Juarez. Not being able to handle our planet's ethanol, they crashed while doing shots on their return trip to Los Alamos.


14 posted on 12/18/2005 2:37:00 PM PST by posterchild (http://www.anysoldier.com)
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To: lunarbicep

LOL..Is it suppose to look like one of the Three Kings or Joseph? Nutters....


15 posted on 12/18/2005 2:40:33 PM PST by penelopesire
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To: penelopesire

Just keep laughing. There's a lot of evidence, including eye witness accounts of astronauts that we are being visited and have been for many, many years. Gordon Cooper, for one, saw ufos several times while flying planes and capsuls.

Something happened in the New Mexican desert in 1947, the Army Air Corps was so sure they recovered a space ship Haut issued the press release; when some powerful people in Washington found out the story suddenly went away.

James Forrestal, Sec of Defense committed suicide shortly thereafter. Go back and read the history of this period then come back and laugh. Try not to be so ignorant.


16 posted on 12/18/2005 2:47:12 PM PST by kjo
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To: kjo
Is that you, Modean?

Dennis Miller-esque reference for B-52s fans.

We were just giggling....but after reading your post, we're laughing. Trust me.

17 posted on 12/18/2005 3:03:31 PM PST by edpc
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To: kjo
James Forrestal, Sec of Defense committed suicide shortly thereafter. Go back and read the history of this period then come back and laugh.

And Adolph Hitler committed suicide not long before that! Coincidence? You be the judge.

18 posted on 12/18/2005 3:04:19 PM PST by LexBaird ("I'm not questioning your patriotism, I'm answering your treason."--JennysCool)
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To: LexBaird

You are a moron.


19 posted on 12/18/2005 3:14:52 PM PST by kjo
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To: kjo
After Ike met with them and decided that they were democrats he had the whole thing hushed up.

Please, please, call me a moron, too. I feel so left out.

20 posted on 12/18/2005 3:22:31 PM PST by Proud_texan ("Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." - Barry Goldwater)
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To: lunarbicep
I doubt we'll ever know the truth behind the language he chose for the "flying saucer" news release.


21 posted on 12/18/2005 3:26:54 PM PST by newzjunkey (Remember the less fortunate this season: "U.S. Marines Toys for Tots" "Salvation Army")
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To: lunarbicep
Walter Haut, spokesman who announced wreckage of flying saucer in Roswell, died at 83

Hmmmm. Pretty convenient.

22 posted on 12/18/2005 3:28:06 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: mcg1969
At least, they want us to BELIEVE he died...

I was thinking along those lines myself.
He was only 83 years old.
I wonder what really happened to him? - tom

23 posted on 12/18/2005 3:30:00 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: edpc

Where the heck IS Dennis these days???


24 posted on 12/18/2005 3:30:16 PM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: kjo
You are a moron.

It only seems that way, until you consider the Einsteinian implications involved in FTL travel, and how that might cause fluctuations in the time continuum, resulting in the suicide of Hitler two years before the big Roswell coverup. In fact, Forrestal's suicide was probably due to the crushing foreknowledge that a large aircraft carrier would one day be named for him. The strain of knowing his own fate snapped his sanity.

What's your excuse?

25 posted on 12/18/2005 3:33:09 PM PST by LexBaird ("I'm not questioning your patriotism, I'm answering your treason."--JennysCool)
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To: lunarbicep

There are 25 posts here. Would someone PLEASE post the "Aw, not this S**T again" poster?


26 posted on 12/18/2005 3:42:26 PM PST by commonasdirt (Reading DU so you won't hafta)
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To: kjo
James Forrestal, Sec of Defense committed suicide shortly thereafter. Go back and read the history of this period then come back and laugh. Try not to be so ignorant.

Silly me, I always thought his conflict with the Air Force led to his mental breakdown and suicide. Glad to know that little green men were responsible.

27 posted on 12/18/2005 3:49:47 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: lunarbicep

I think there is two significant stories to this Roswell Crash Story:

1) What Jesse Marcel said.

2) The decoding of that paper held in General Roger Ramey's hand during the news conference with that kite.


28 posted on 12/18/2005 3:53:15 PM PST by AZRepublican
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To: kjo

You got it. I'm not laughing either. This is similar to the "Big Foot" article the other day. It reminds me of the saying that we mock what we do not understand.


29 posted on 12/18/2005 3:56:24 PM PST by A knight without armor
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To: ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; airborne; albertp; andysandmikesmom; areafiftyone; aruanan; ...
*OPI pings.

*=Of Possible Interest

If you want on or off of the UFO ping list, please ping KevinDavis.

30 posted on 12/18/2005 4:14:43 PM PST by Las Vegas Dave ("Liberals out of power are comical-Liberals in power are dangerous!"-Rush Limbaugh.)
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To: ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; airborne; albertp; andysandmikesmom; areafiftyone; aruanan; ...

31 posted on 12/18/2005 4:17:41 PM PST by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: AZRepublican
I think there is two significant stories to this Roswell Crash Story:

1) What Jesse Marcel said.
2) The decoding of that paper held in General Roger Ramey's hand during the news conference with that kite.

3) Jesse Marcel Jr. MD, has been on some of the uo TV shows and said he saw and held the small purple-ish beam like object with the hieroglyphics on it that his Father had.

32 posted on 12/18/2005 4:28:49 PM PST by Las Vegas Dave ("Liberals out of power are comical-Liberals in power are dangerous!"-Rush Limbaugh.)
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


33 posted on 12/18/2005 4:37:31 PM PST by kalee
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To: lunarbicep

Prayer for the family. RIP


34 posted on 12/18/2005 4:39:05 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: posterchild
While living in Los Alamos, they went on a tequila run to Juarez. Not being able to handle our planet's ethanol, they crashed while doing shots on their return trip to Los Alamos...

LOL! ...and remember, "Never let your aliens, fly drunk. :D

35 posted on 12/18/2005 4:59:37 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: lunarbicep

That's pretty cool.

Are there alien wise men? Angels?


36 posted on 12/18/2005 5:28:43 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: AZRepublican
1) What Jesse Marcel said.
2) The decoding of that paper held in General Roger Ramey's hand during the news conference with that kite.

Two points that register with me. 1)If Haut and Marcel were so incompetent in what they did, why were they not sanctioned in some manner for their incompetence? 2)Why has no one explained the telex or telegram held by General Ramey?

Not to say that this proves the existence of a "flying saucer", but some explanation better than what has been given would seem to apply!!

37 posted on 12/18/2005 5:48:30 PM PST by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: kjo

Try this link:

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicroswell.htm

Leave those who are comfortable in peace.

There are also audio reports of our Lunar Missions with the crew seeing UFOs around the moon.


38 posted on 12/18/2005 5:53:38 PM PST by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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To: kjo
Please read this thread
39 posted on 12/18/2005 5:57:10 PM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave; KevinDavis

Thanks for the pings.


40 posted on 12/18/2005 6:06:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("In silence, and at night, the Conscience feels that life should soar to nobler ends than Power.")
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To: ASA Vet

Great link and a lot of posts ny notable FReepers from my lurking days (Some still here and some not).


41 posted on 12/18/2005 6:07:37 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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Some related oldies, I didn't check the links for signs of life.
Roswell Incident Had Victims, Program Says
by Sheila Lennon
11/25/2002
While he told the world that a weather balloon went down in Roswell, an Army general had in his hand a memo telling Pentagon brass of a UFO crash with "victims," according to a new television documentary. A computer analysis of that memo, held by Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey during a July 1947 press briefing, is the "smoking gun" of the Roswell Incident, researchers say in the documentary being broadcast today on the Sci-Fi Channel. Using a digital photo scanner to enlarge and enhance words printed on the folded piece of paper Ramey held, and using another computer program to select the most likely words, researcher David Rudiak, who has a Ph.D. in physics from UC Berkeley, found two key phrases: "the victims of the wreck" and "in the 'disc' they will ship."
Roswell Incident Had Victims, Program Says
by Richard Benke
11/22/2002
A photograph taken July 8, 1947, in Fort Worth, Texas, by James Bond Johnson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram shows Ramey clutching a communique to Washington, D.C., while he displays a deflated weather balloon just hours after other Army officers in Roswell had reported a UFO crash... In 1997, the Air Force acknowledged the weather balloon had been a false cover story, but a new story also was called into question. In a report written by Lt. William McAndrew, the Air Force suggested reports of alien bodies in the wreckage must have originated because of a crash-test program in which mannequins were dropped from balloons. The mannequins did not come close to matching 1947 descriptions of alien bodies, and the crash-test program was not introduced until 1953, Rudiak said.
Four Ramey Message Comparisons
by George A. Filer
11/22/2002
Neil Morris writes from the University of Manchester in England. Several distinguished groups are attempting to interpret the writing on a message held in General Ramey's hand taken in the Commander's 8th Air Force office by photographer James Bond Johnson in July of 1947. David Rudiak's sent his "take" of the message and allowed me to include it in the comparisons of readings taken from a message that takes up a tiny portion of the photograph. It has taken fifty years and modern computers to attempt to read the message. There are several interpretations of the message and we should emphasize that the various "takes" are far from being set in stone and represent a "snap-shot" of a work in progress as of April. The interpretations, I am sure, WILL change and evolve as time goes on.

1) CAPITALS denote firm interpretation.
2) Lowerspace are guesses but may be incorrect
3) "*" denote unknown letter,
4) My line format is to the best I can conclude, correct to the grid layout of the typed text

(M) - Neil Morris at U. of Manchester.
(B) - Don Burleson's interpretation MUFON Journal March 2000.
(C) - Tom Carey/Don Schmitt interpretation 3/2000.
(DR) - David Rudiak March/April 2000
(F) - Chris Farmer/Filer
Line 1.
???xxxx-xxx--x-xxxxxxxx xxx--xx-xxx xxxx xxx--xx-x xx xxx

(M) reco VERY Was ROSWELl Head oIc giveN AS THE
(B) RECO ---- OPERATION WITH ROSWELL DISK 074 MJ--AT THE
(C) RECO ......OPERATION ........................................................AT THE
(DR) recovery operations WEre found NEAR site two, at one
Line 2.
????xxx xxx xxx xxxxxxx xx xxx xxxxx xxx xxxxxxxxx xx xxx
(M) ..............ext 4*S EXp VIctIMS of THE WRecK and CONVAy ON TO THE
(B) - --- ..........THE VICTIMS OF THE WRECK YOU FORWARDED TO THE
(C) JULY 4TH THE VICTIMS OF THE WRECK YOU FORWARDED TO THE
(DR) todaY All THE VICTIMS OF THE WRECK YOU FORWARDED TO THE
Line 3.
???xxx xx xxxx xxxxxx xxx.
(M) *** at FORT WORTH. Txe.
(B) TEAM AT FORT WORTH. TXE.
(C) .....AT FORT WORTH. TEX.
(DR) teaM AT FORT WORTH, TEX.
Line 4.
??xxxxxx xx xxx xxxxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxx xx-xxx xxxx-xx-
(M) w**S** SOrTei *e**** thAT- ONUS raaF T&E A3**9* Landparty
(B) ----SS-- ON THE "DISK" MUST- HAVE SENT -0- A-AM-- A-------D
(C) ESSOR ON THE "DISK" MUST THUS SAVE FOR ATOMIC LABORATORY
(DR) ----ses in THE "DISC" THEY will ship FOR Ac-as2 Arrived
Line 5.
??xxxx-xx xx-xxxx xxxxxx xx xxxxxx xxxxxxx xx xxxxxxxx xxx
(M)SOught CRASHes *O**** are needed sITEone ** **s***** locate
(B) -- URGENT. POWERS ARE NEEDED SITETWO AT CARLSBAD,NMEX--
(C) URGENT. POWERS ARE NEEDED SITE TWO NW ROSWELL, N.MEX.
(DR) by b29 OR c47. bomber sq AsSist flights AT ROSWELL. AS---
Line 6.
??xx-x-xxxxxx xxxx xxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxxxx xx xxxxx xxx xxxx
(M) MIDDAY 509# TOLD newspaPeR segment of STORY Adv ****
(B) - SAFE TALK NEWSPAPER MEANING OF STORY AND -----
(C) SAFE TALK WANTED FOR MEANING OF STORY AND MISSION
(DR) (at noon)todaY SAID SenD MiStatEd rElease AS STORY And said
(F) "TOLD GA50 UNKNOWN SGMNTS OF STORY...etc."__
Line 7.
??-xxxxxxx xxxx xxxx xxx xx-xx xxxxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxx xxxx
(M) LLY THrY EVEN PUT for AF WEATATN BALLOONS raDar WERE
(B) ONLY SHOW ---- ---- BY WEATHER BALLOONS 400-KW WAVE
(C) NEXT CREW OUT TODAY. WEATHER BALLOONS WOULD MAKE
(DR) (news)theY nEXt send out is of WEATHER BALLOONS would make
Line 8.
??-xxxx-x xxxx xxx xxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxx.
(M) And Land L*** denver ofww3
(B) ---- -- 9 AND LAND L--- DENVER CREWS.
(C) . . . 509 HAS LAND SURVEYOR CREWS.
(DR) (a good)storY. ADD LAND Displayer crewS.
Line 9.
xxxxx-
(M) ******
(B) TEMPLE
(C) "R RAMEY"
(DR) rAMEy
(F) TEMPLE

Thanks to Neil Morris, Dept, of Physics, University of Manchester

42 posted on 12/18/2005 6:09:24 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("In silence, and at night, the Conscience feels that life should soar to nobler ends than Power.")
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To: BenLurkin; Jim Robinson
notable FReepers from my lurking days (some still here and some not)

Yeah, that Jim Robinson fellow seems to have survived though.
Maybe he's got FBI files on the mods?

43 posted on 12/18/2005 6:23:39 PM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: billorites

Winner!LOL!


44 posted on 12/18/2005 7:15:55 PM PST by Solamente
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To: kjo
I reviewed the dozen or so statements that are in the USAF's 1997 Report "The Roswell Report: Case Closed," which is the companion addition to their original 1994 Roswell report, and none of the guys they interviewed to make statements were stationed at Roswell in July 1947. The closest they got was about a year and half after the alleged UFO crash. One guy said he was in the Navy and stationed in NM in 1949 or 1950. They even included statements from 5 to 10 years after 1957.

Well, of course none of these guys saw anything at Roswell. LoL!

45 posted on 12/18/2005 8:56:11 PM PST by demlosers
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To: demlosers
"...5 to 10 years after 1957."

Make that...1947.

46 posted on 12/18/2005 9:02:41 PM PST by demlosers
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To: Las Vegas Dave; KevinDavis

Thanks for the ping, gents.

FWIW, I met Mr. Haut a couple of years ago. He was really a pretty nice guy, at least from what I could tell from a few minute's conversation. I guess I'd be laid back too, spending my retirement years discussing UFO's at a UFO museum! ;)

Also, FWIW, I'm seeing lots of chips on shoulders on the issues of Ufology in general:

1. Some of you have such a knee-jerk derisive reaction I'm surprised you haven't developed ACL injuries. Chill out. You don't have to agree with me or anybody else on the issues involved, but most of us nutty ufologists aren't Marshall Applewhite, so it would be nice if the discourtesy would stop.

2. Others on the thread so openly embrace the conspiracy theories they get ridiculed, and act surprised. I'm continually baffled how otherwise logical FReepers become so irrational on the subject, but I am no longer surprised. I learned long ago taking umbrage via such surprise just turns up the volume on the laugh track.


47 posted on 12/19/2005 8:51:24 AM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: commonasdirt

AFAIK, Mr. Haut has only died once... ;)


48 posted on 12/19/2005 8:52:01 AM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Frank_Discussion

Regarding UFO's. While I am a big sci-fi fan I have always had a problem with where they land after traveling so far (Either in Time or Space) to get here. What is even more puzzling is the people they select to meet with or abduct. If abduction is for genetic material it is like they are not even looking for the top of the scale.


49 posted on 12/19/2005 3:02:42 PM PST by commonasdirt (Reading DU so you won't hafta)
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To: commonasdirt
"While I am a big sci-fi fan I have always had a problem with where they land after traveling so far (Either in Time or Space) to get here."

What does science fiction have to do with it? Furthermore, what does "where they land" have to do with it? Don't be vague, please.

"What is even more puzzling is the people they select to meet with or abduct."

Again, your vagueness is a problem. What are you talking about?

"If abduction is for genetic material it is like they are not even looking for the top of the scale."

What?
50 posted on 12/19/2005 9:19:00 PM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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