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Smoking Ban Meeting Planned For Tuesday (Freep This Poll)
Channel3000.com ^ | September 20, 2005 | Staff Writer

Posted on 09/20/2005 2:38:10 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

Smoking Ban Meeting Planned For Tuesday

POSTED: 7:04 pm CDT September 19, 2005 UPDATED: 1:35 pm CDT September 20, 2005

MADISON, Wis. -- The Madison Common Council is preparing to clear the air on the city's smoking ban Tuesday night.

Many of those who have rallied to repeal the smoking ban are expected to attend Tuesday night's common council meeting.

Three smoking-related things are on the agenda including an outright appeal of the ban, an amendment to allow businesses to apply for a hardship exemption and a proposal for a citywide referendum.

"It doesn't look like there's enough votes to repeal the ban," said Mayor Dave Cieslewicz. "And at this point, it doesn't look like there are enough votes for the other options as well. At this point, it looks like the smoking ban will remain in place."

Spokesmen for the group that supports repealing the smoking ban said they have eight of the 11 votes needed for repeal.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: addiction; cancer; gnatzie; kelolovers; lunger; nicotine; nikifit; pufflist
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To: The Foolkiller
remain in place. 240 58%
be repealed. 176 42%

Keep up the good work!

21 posted on 09/20/2005 7:41:56 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem !)
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To: The Foolkiller; Justanobody

The antis lead has dropped to 58%.......hee hee hee!!!!!


22 posted on 09/20/2005 7:42:13 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: Gabz

lol - see above.


23 posted on 09/20/2005 7:43:04 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem !)
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To: Gabz; The Foolkiller
As the demonRATS say, "vote early and VOTE OFTEN!!!"

hint,hint

24 posted on 09/20/2005 7:45:23 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem !)
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To: The Foolkiller; Cobra64
And so will many small (LOCALLY OWNED) diners and restaurants.

So many people rant and rave over WalMart supposedly putting mom & pop stores out of business....yet the same people have no problem supporting these bans, even though they are being supported by the big national chain restaurants with the SPECIFIC intent of putting the local mom & pops out of business.

25 posted on 09/20/2005 7:45:26 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: Mears; metesky; Madame Dufarge; Extremely Extreme Extremist; RandallFlagg

pinging all cars. Need your help on this poll, people. Many thanks. :D


26 posted on 09/20/2005 7:47:50 PM PDT by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: Justanobody
Hope you are hobbling faster these days!

Yes, I am, thank you. And the bone doc gave me the OK today that I can drive again!!!!!!!!!

Now hubby has no excuse to NOT get my car running again. the last time gas got put into the tank - it cost less than $2 a gallon :)

27 posted on 09/20/2005 7:48:42 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: Gabz

Good point. I never made the connection before. You are a deep thinker. ;)


28 posted on 09/20/2005 7:51:14 PM PDT by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: fizziwig

You're dead on, because it certainly isn't a RHINO thing. They're cutting peoples' throats twice as fast as the dems are.


29 posted on 09/20/2005 7:53:10 PM PDT by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: Gabz

Now hubby has no excuse to NOT get my car running again. the last time gas got put into the tank - it cost less than $2 a gallon :)




Off-topic, but...Congrats on getting the ok, but welcome to gasoline reality check. In toledo, it's slowly....ever....so....slowly....FINALLY came down to $2.67. Now...it was $2.58 before the Katrina excuse. My bet is-it'll jump up again within the next week. That's the way they work it...the speculators make sure it never is allowed to get below, or even TO-the previous price. A few cents higher every time. Remember what I said on that gas thread a while back about the repubs having about 6 months to do something-or....goodbye in the '06 blowout & hello, Billary in '08. And, you;ll also recall, I, and the few who agreed with me got trashed for it. A few called us communists.


30 posted on 09/20/2005 8:04:30 PM PDT by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Just to annoy you, this is from today's Lincoln Journal Star. Lincoln adopted a total smoking ban in bars and restaurants a year ago.

Survey: Lincolnites support smoking ban

By ALGIS J. LAUKAITIS / Lincoln Journal Star

A random survey shows Lincoln residents overwhelmingly support the city’s smoking ban — and they believe it’s made bars and restaurants healthier places to drink and dine. Nearly 72 percent of those surveyed said they support the controversial Smoking Regulation Act, which was passed by 62 percent of voters in November.

In addition, 85 percent of those surveyed said they went to the bar as much or more often since the ban went into effect Jan. 1; 89 percent said the same thing for restaurants.

Still, some bar owners said the ban has hurt business. And at least one — Big John’s Billiards — has blamed the ban for its closing.

“I think the smoking ban has cost us customers, it has grown some customers for us and it has changed the way customers behave,” said Michael Carpenter, owner of Libations, Too at 5310 S. 56th St.

Mayor Coleen Seng and other officials announced the survey results Monday at the Red Fox Steakhouse and Lounge, 1339 W. O St.

They chose the Red Fox in part because its owner, Don Arena, initially opposed the ban.

“I was so scared that my business was going to be hurt,” Arena told reporters.

He has since changed his mind.

“It’s done wonders for my business,” Arena said, adding a personal note: “I can come to work and breathe normally.”

Others apparently feel the same way, too. The survey showed 91 percent now consider restaurants and bars healthier; 73 percent of those who smoked felt the same way.

“The act is doing exactly what it was intended to do: Protect the health of Lincoln’s employees and residents, and this survey shows that Lincolnites appreciate that,” said Cindy Jeffrey, a spokesperson for Tobacco Free Lincoln, one of a handful of groups that worked to pass the law.

Brian Kitten, a partner in Brewsky’s Food & Spirits, said the survey numbers don’t tell the whole story.

He said keno revenues are down — an average of 23 percent from a year ago — because of the ban.

“Those people are going somewhere else,” Kitten said, suggesting many now leave Lincoln for Waverly or Denton.

The ban has hurt parts of Brewsky’s business, he said, especially revenue from pool and darts.

“The customer who comes in to play pool and darts is generally a drinker and a smoker,” Kitten said.

Officials did not have figures on the economic impact of the smoking ban.

About the survey

The June random phone survey of 982 residents was done by the Nebraska Department of Health and Human Services regulation and licensure section of data management to gauge support for the city’s smoking ban.

Of those participating:

* 78 percent described themselves as nonsmokers

* 22 percent described themselves as smokers

Compliance not a problem

Between Jan. 1 and Sept. 11, authorities wrote 22 tickets to individuals and four to businesses; they also fielded 50 complaints. And 97 percent of smokers who responded to the survey said they always comply with the ban.

31 posted on 09/20/2005 8:08:21 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: The Foolkiller

Not a deep thinker, FRiend - just been at it a long time (sometimes I think too long)

It was the chains, Applebee's, TGIFriday's, Ruby Tuesday's, etc that got the Delaware Restaurant Association to stop fighting the smoking ban if it were amended to include bars and taverns. The chains run the DRA and everyone ignores the fact that the DRA represents only about 10% of all eating establishments in Delaware.


32 posted on 09/20/2005 8:18:35 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: The Foolkiller

Hubby filled his pick up last night @ $2.75 a gallon. It was $2.73 this morning. I'm totally tired of the price games on the gas.


33 posted on 09/20/2005 8:26:30 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

bump


34 posted on 09/20/2005 8:28:04 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion they will give it to you.)
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To: The Foolkiller
OOPS..........didn't finish my response before posting :)

Remember what I said on that gas thread a while back about the repubs having about 6 months to do something-or....goodbye in the '06 blowout & hello, Billary in '08. And, you;ll also recall, I, and the few who agreed with me got trashed for it. A few called us communists.

They better wake up and do so FAST.

35 posted on 09/20/2005 8:28:49 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Others apparently feel the same way, too. The survey showed 91 percent now consider restaurants and bars healthier; 73 percent of those who smoked felt the same way.




That last sentence is pure unadulterated bullshit. Therefore, the entire 'study' is bullshit.


36 posted on 09/20/2005 8:30:06 PM PDT by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: Gabz

Now 248-210!! C'Mon, Randall, get here & bring the rest of the posse!! LOL


37 posted on 09/20/2005 8:33:59 PM PDT by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: Right Wing Professor
The June random phone survey of 982 residents was done by the Nebraska Department of Health and Human Services regulation and licensure section of data management to gauge support for the city’s smoking ban.

Very intersting...nearly identical numbers have been arrived at by every other survey done by other DHHS's in other parts of the country.....and I owuld venture to say that Nebraska used nearly the identical questions used in other states.........and not a single one of the "surveys" asks anything about the rights of the business owner to make their own decisions.

These "surveys" are geared specifically to get the results they desire by the wording of the questions.

38 posted on 09/20/2005 8:34:15 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Just voted...248-211 repeal the ban can catch up.


39 posted on 09/20/2005 8:34:19 PM PDT by maineman
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To: The Foolkiller

248-212


40 posted on 09/20/2005 8:36:15 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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