Skip to comments.Disabled Lawyer Offers Compelling Memoir Of Survival. Terri Dailies June 5
Posted on 06/05/2005 11:45:26 AM PDT by 8mmMauser
"Too Late To Die Young: Nearly True Tales From a Life," by Harriet McBryde Johnson.
About two years ago, Harriet Johnson appeared on the cover of The New York Times Magazine. If you saw her portrait, you probably haven't forgotten it.
A thin woman in a wheelchair leans forward, a purple shawl draping one shoulder. Johnson describes it this way in her new memoir: "The portrait has been described as beautifully disturbing, and most nondisabled people seem to see it that way. I'd prefer to call it disturbingly beautiful, but I'll take it the other way around if I must."
Johnson has an unnamed muscle-wasting disease, but don't dare say she "suffers" from it. She insists on being her own complicated person, a Southern lady, for instance, as well as a socialist, an atheist, a lawyer and a born storyteller with a wicked sense of humor.
She eschews pity and sentimentality. She supports the work of Not Dead Yet, a group of anti-euthanasia activists who demonstrated outside Terri Schiavo's Pinellas Park hospice earlier this year, dramatically sliding out of their wheelchairs and lying on the ground.
And though Johnson hates the hackneyed trope of triumph in the face of disability, she nevertheless has a string of interesting adventures. She runs for elected office. She travels to Cuba to discuss disability rights. She protests the Jerry Lewis telethon annually in her hometown of Charleston, S.C., and she bribes her friends to join her with promises of free food.
Her gripe with the telethon is its grim prognostications. When she was 30, her mother became ill, and Johnson had to accept for the first time that, contrary to all expectations, she might indeed outlive her parents. "While anyone may die young, it's not something you can count on," she writes. "You have to be prepared to survive." It's that angry, proud but utterly normal brand of survival that is at the heart of Johnson's memoir.
The most fascinating chapter is her encounter with the philosopher and animal rights activist Peter Singer. (It was this encounter that rated The New York Times Magazine cover.) Singer believes that in some cases it is morally acceptable for parents to kill severely disabled infants. Johnson disagrees, so much so that she fears even debating him would dignify his ideas as socially acceptable. Nevertheless, she meets him, travels to Princeton University to debate him and ends up with a great story about it.
The best memoirs don't necessarily tell every event in a person's life, but they do capture the voice and the emotional feel of the author. Yes, it's impossible for a nondisabled person to fully know what Johnson's life is like. But her writing is so vibrant, so interesting and so funny that you can't help but feel as if you're in her world, sitting beside her and hearing her story for yourself.
I'km glad Jeb is doing this, but unfortunately McCabe is one of the good ole boys.
The real book won't be blurry but this went from pdf, to printing it, scanning and then saving it as a jpeg. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Terri Schiavo's sister, Suzanne Vitadamo, spoke out about her late sister's autopsy results Thursday.
She spoke to reporters in Minnesota on behalf of her parents and brother. Vitadamo said her sister was not in a persistent vegetative state, as the medical examiners report said she was.
"Our family stands by its strong belief that Terri was not in PVS, and we appreciate the many noted neurologists, including Dr. Cheshire, who saw Terri just weeks before she died who agree with our position," Vitadamo said.
Cheshire is a board-certified physician at the Mayo Clinic.
The medical examiner, Dr. Jon Thogmartin, wrote in his report that "There's nothing here again that's inconsistent with what's published for persistent vegetative state."
Vitadamo also disputed what was perhaps the biggest surprise of the report. The examiner said Terri Schiavo was blind. That finding calls into question the family's claim that Schiavo was seeing anything on well-publicized videos that appeared to show her looking at her mother and following a balloon with her eyes.
"Our attorneys and other witnesses clearly saw Terri recognize her mother and father, and treat them differently," Vitadamo said.
In a jab at Schiavo's husband and guardian, Michael Schiavo, Vitadamo said Thogmartin found no evidence of bulimia.
More than a decade ago, Michael Schiavo won a large civil judgment after suing his wife's doctors, saying they should have detected an eating disorder.
"Our family would encourage Michael Schiavo to do the right thing and return the funds paid by the innocent doctors who were sued for Terri's collapse," Vitadamo said.
Click here for the report from Bay News 9.
Greer should have been disqualified for his illegal commercial and McCabe and the Sheriff's Office should be in hot water for appearing in Greer's tv commercial. The theme was how "tough" Greer was. Yeah, he's sure tough for a guardianship judge. He's really tough on wards.
I am beginning to see that the libertarians were by far more vocal and organized against our cause than the liberals or anyone else.
That is an important discovery, IMO.
Statement of the Schindler Family re: Medcal Examiner's Report
For Immediate Release 06-16-05 2 PM (EST)
Minneapolis, MN and Seminole, FL As you are aware; the Pinellas County IME has released his report regarding Terri. We would like to thank the IME for his time and effort in making this report. We are not challenging the findings in his report, but we would like to make a few comments publicly. We do not intend to take questions afterwards.
First, the IMEs report confirms Terris physical condition and disability. We all knew Terri was seriously brain-injured before the IME report. This is nothing new. The IMEs report also confirms that TERRI WAS NOT TERMINAL. THAT TERRI HAD NO LIVING WILL, THAT TERRI HAD A STRONG HEART, and THAT TERRI WAS BRUTUALLY DEHYDRATED TO DEATH.
Second, our family would encourage the media to remember that this case was allegedly about Terris choice. There is absolutely no evidence that Terri wanted to die of dehydration, or that she believed that that the level of ones disability gives anyone the moral and legal right to end anothers life.
Third, the IME said clearly that dehydration, not her brain injury, was the cause of her death. Terri was dehydrated to death before our eyes The moral shame of what happened is not erased because of Terris level of disability. No one would say that blind people or brain-injured people should be put to death. That would be an irresponsible and heartless position to take. Tragically, that is what happened to Terri. As a society, it seems that we have lost our compassion for the disabled.
We asked our attorney, Mr. Gibbs, to meet with the IME prior to the press conference, to attend the IMEs press conference, and to speak to the media for our family afterward. In our opinion, some of the significant items from the IMEs report are as follows:
* Terri had a strong heart according to the IME. In addition to her strong heart, Terri also demonstrated a very strong will to live.
* Terri was not terminal. The IME said with proper care Terri would have lived at least another 10 years even in her disabled condition. Terris case was NOT an end-of-life case. Terris case was about ending a disabled persons life.
* Terri was brain-injured. This does NOT mean that she was brain-dead. Many seem to not understand this absolutely critical distinction.
* The IME essentially ruled out bulimia and heart attack as causes for Terris condition. In one sense the IMEs report created as many questions as it may have answered. The major question for our family that now remains is what happened? A troubling 70-minute gap appears in the timeline on the day Terri collapsed in 1990:
o According to Michael Schiavo, Terri collapsed at 4:30 AM. Mr. Schiavo said this on Larry King Live and he also re-confirmed it to the IME during his investigation.
o 911 was called at 5:40 AM. Emergency services arrived at 5:52 AM.
o Both Bobby Schindler Jr. and the original police report gave similar descriptions as to Terris state laying face first, on the floor, hands crossed and up high against her chest, making gurgling noises.
o Our family doesnt understand what led to Terris collapse. Our family doesnt understand why this major discrepancy in time is not fully understood. When a person is without blood and oxygen to their brain, 70 minutes is a terribly long time when each second counts.
* With the IME effectively ruling out bulimia, the underlying basis of the malpractice case appears to now be disproved. Our family would encourage Michael Schiavo to do the right thing and return the funds that were paid by the innocent doctors who were sued for Terris collapse. In addition to returning the funds to the doctors who were sued, we would also ask Michael to bring closure to Terris death for our family by allowing us to give her a proper Christian burial as required by our faith. To this day, we have no idea where Terris ashes are. That is particularly hard on our mother.
* The IMEs report stated that Terris inability to swallow was the result of muscle atrophy. Terry was denied therapy for 12 years, and muscles atrophy when they are not used. We will never know if therapy would have helped.
* The IME clearly stated that PVS is a clinical diagnosis made on a living patient. That is something an IME cannot do by looking at a corpse.
o Dr. William Cheshire, a neurologist from the Mayo Clinic, agreed with our familys perception that Terri was awake, aware, and at least minimally cognitive.
o We knew that Terri was visually impaired, but we did not know to what extent. Our attorneys and other witnesses clearly saw Terri recognize her mother and father and treat them differently. According to the IMEs report, it appears that after her severe dehydration, Terri was blind at the moment of her death.
* The IME stated that no conclusive medical studies have been done on what a MCS brain should look like as opposed to a PVS brain in an autopsy.
* According to the IME, Terri was given morphine for pain as she died. This seems contradictory that if Terri could feel no pain, as some would say, why would these drugs be necessary? In our opinion, the treating health care officials understood that Terri felt pain.
I would like to restate a few words from our familys statement to Terri that we issued on March 31, 2005, the date of Terris death:
Our prayer at this time is that our Nation will remember the plight of persons with disabilities and commit within our hearts to defend their lives and their dignity for many generations to come.
In closing, the love, prayers, and concern for our family from so many around the nation are deeply appreciated. God has sustained us through these most difficult days, and we do hope that no other family ever has to live though the nightmare that our family and Terri endured. No mother and father should have to watch their child that they love more than life itself, be dehydrated and starved before their eyes. Civilized societies should not tolerate such barbaric acts.
Our family stands by its strong belief that Terri was not in PVS, and we appreciate the many noted neurologists, including Dr. Cheshire who saw Terri just weeks before she died, who agree with our position. We also thank the brave men and women in public office in Florida and Washington, D.C. who nobly stood on the side of life regardless of ones disability. While their valiant efforts were not able to ultimately save Terri, our family is forever grateful to them for their compassion and for their conviction to do the right thing.
It would be an ironclad protection beyong the guarantees under the US Constitution. If the states fail to provide protection for their citizens (Sen. Jim King & Fla Supremes) who will protect Americans? I'm for a federal ban. This must end.
Schiavo Autopsy Leaves Most Important Questions Unanswered
Diane Coleman of Not Dead Yet is brilliant.
I do think the family should have the right to decide matters involving life support in a case where a person can not communicate and is terminal.
But they need to have consensus and it needs to include parents, children and spouses. And the spouse must not be living with another lover with whom they have children by at the time.
Just for starters...
I think their civil rights were also violated. They selected a fitting domain name: terrisfight. This is definitely a fight. The death lobby has so much dirty money.
Thank you for the ping!
You mean Soros isn't a tower of morality?
That being said there are situations where a parent, who loves their child, has explored all options to keep their child alive and has had to let go of the child and let them die.
The issue is that Terri was not dying and the parents were not allowed to get her the rehab which could have made a difference for her.
If people were so convinced that she would not have benefited from any rehab, why were they so against any investigation which could have validated their opinions of her level of functioning?
HOLY CRAP, are u kidding me??? WOW, this is the first move I have seen Jeb take and I mean a real move! To bad it is after the fact and now Terri is dead!
I don't know if I will hold my breath yet, but I'll hope anyway.
Hope he gets himself down to the redemption station and redeems himself real soon.
Someone is looking for a news item on Jeb's statement today so we can start a Jeb thread. I think he has regrets and as governor, he has ordered McCabe to launch an investigation. If McCabe stonewalls, maybe McCabe will get in hot water. Somebody is going to have to take the fall for this. The public is not satisfied with the handling of Terri's life and her death. We should never put up with corruption and judicial tyranny.
"Judicial tyranny is not a private matter." floriduh voter
I agree! Time for Federal ban on starving and deydrating someone to death! I think it is time for this NOW!
by Phyllis Schlafly
Posted Mar 29, 2005
Florida Probate Judge George Greer has taken judicial supremacy to new abuses in ordering the starvation of an innocent woman against the will of her parents, her brother, her church, thousands of volunteers, and, as far as we know, herself. We wouldn't permit anyone to treat a dog this way.
Judge Greer not only ordered the cruel withholding of food and water from defenseless Terri Schiavo, he also set in motion the arrests of many Good Samaritans attempting to bring her sustenance. The television pictures of armed police barring people from attempting to take her food or water were shocking.
For seven years, this single judge has ruled like a dictator over Terri, determined to ensure her death. In 2001, he reportedly said from the bench, "The law of this case is that she will die."
Five times he was asked to recuse himself from the case, and five times he refused. He also denied requests, based on numerous affidavits, to allow a recent medical examination of Terri that would take advantage of improvements in medical technology.
Judge Greer's own pastor recently felt compelled to write, "It would seem the logical and, I would say, Biblical course" for Judge Greer to withdraw from the congregation, and he did.
Florida has term limits applying to its legislators and governor, but nothing to curb Judge Greer's obsession and power to terminate Terri's life. It is long overdue to pass term limits for how long a single judge can preside tyrannically over one case.
Those who insist that the government should stay out of the Schiavo case can direct their ire at Judge Greer, who has forced Terri to die of thirst. If the government stayed out of this case, then Terri would be receiving food and water from her parents and others.
Judge Greer advances the "right-to-die" cause of attorney George Felos, who publicly pretends that Terri's "death process" has been peaceful. But videotaping of Terri in her final days was forbidden, in order to conceal from the public how barbaric this process really is.
By fiat, Judge Greer declared that he had "clear and convincing" evidence that Terri would want to be starved to death rather than provided good medical care. That preposterous claim relies on assertions made by her husband's family after he hooked up with another woman, and many years after husband Michael testified to a jury that she needed a large award to provide for her life-long care.
According to Terri's brother, Michael told three different accounts of Terri's original collapse that caused her unusual condition at age 26, and that a bone scan showed broken bones indicating possible abuse. Yet Florida authorities have steadfastly refused to fully investigate, bring charges, or even act to preserve evidence.
Perhaps the movie Million Dollar Baby, so praised by the critics, was meant to prepare the public to accept euthanasia. But smart moviegoers evidently did not like its message and it did far worse at the box-office than is typical for a "best picture" winner.
Jack Kevorkian is serving a long prison sentence for assisting the death of a patient. Yet Judge Greer has perverted the judicial function just as surely as Kevorkian perverted the medical function.
Michigan had the good sense to prosecute Kevorkian. Where is the Florida prosecutor? Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist is busy campaigning to become the next governor of Florida.
In California, the Democratic Attorney General personally intervened in the Laci Peterson case to ensure that her killer was brought to justice. But even Scott Peterson benefited from a full jury trial before being sentenced to death, and he will still enjoy numerous appeals and years of delay. Terri Schiavo was ordered to die by one man who served as judge, jury and executioner.
This is judicial arrogance at its ugliest. The public should reject the myth that supremacist judges can override the governor, the legislature, Congress, the president, common sense, and even the right to life, and use armed police to protect judicial supremacy.
The Terri Schiavo case has blanketed the news for several weeks, but there are two usually noisy factions we haven't heard from.
Where are the feminists who are forever whining about abusive husbands? Why are they mute about a husband conniving with a lawyer and a judge to kill his wife?
There is also a thundering silence coming from the people who have been so confidently predicting miracle cures of brain and spinal cord damage by the use of stem cells. Can't Terri be fed for a few more months or years so she can try one of these promised cures?
As this drama played out over Easter weekend, we were reminded of Pontius Pilate washing his hands and putting politics above injustice. Pilate would have been popular in polls of his time, but history has rendered a different verdict.
Mrs. Schlafly is the author of the new book The Supremacists: The Tyranny of Judges and How to Stop It (Spence Publishing Co).
Terri Schiavos Autopsy Report Leaves Unanswered Questions
The toll free number for US Congress is at the beginning of this thread. We need to keep reposting that number or better yet, have a graphic with it? 1-877-762- that's how it starts. I can't remember the last 4 digits.
I don't care who you support just think it is totally unfair to chastise Jeb each and every time you post. Makes me wonder what your real agenda is - to change the laws or get Jeb.
I understand where Jeb is coming from because he has the same values that W has and he has led that state well enough that he got another term.
All I ask is be fair to the man that was the one that passed a law to give Terri life until it was ruled unconstitutional by the Florida Supreme Court. Be fair to the man that said he would support a consitutional amendment to prevent withdrawing food and water - which was killed by the legislators.
Be fair to the man who is now calling for an investigation of Michael.
That is all I ask.
I would not even be surprised if Jeb did move back to Miami and possibly seek a senatorial position in Florida in order to bring about the changes he sees need to be made. Although I do believe that he is slated for far more influential positions of power as Cabinet Secretary, Vice President, or even maybe someday the head of Social Security Administration. Jeb has the knowledge and the concern for Americans that we need in government somewhere.
This man will help your cause more than any other available. So just respect him please. Otherwise, I just cannot be a part of this thread because I will not support tearing down Jeb Bush and I don't enjoy reading it post after post after post after post.
Please add me to the ping list and hopefully it will not lead to battles. I will just go on to other threads.
How very sad. See what a bag of worms we open when we allow man the option to kill. Each and every one of us could be in a similar spot someday.
May God be with the mother and help her.
ClancyJ, in fairness, FV was not attacking Jeb Bush, was pointing out with hopefulness that he is doing something about the situation, maybe redeeming himself.
They will be glad for prayers, I am sure.
You are on the big ping list already.
How do you get so many worthless GOP in Florida?
Because they are democrats running as republicans to get elected. Same as the RINO's all over the country. They change to the party that will get them elected and then serve their true party and views.
I am aware of that. I was answering some comment about who she now supported or something and did I want to be on ping list.
I am glad of the good news and will post it on one of the other Terri threads.
Don't know if you guys are aware but blueblazes was banned last night after being targeted by the usuals. Others even mentioned they did not see anything she said out-of-line. The little "game" you know.
Hate to see a good fighter for our side banned just because some do not want her to be able to speak.
On some of the threads here I saw several nasty and unfounded attacks on Fuhrman's character.
Clancy, settle down. FV was there, saw it all front and center. She felt the emotion more than most of us. So if she is just a little peeved with JEB, please understand. I am to. So, if you don't like her slamming Jeb than don't read what she says about him. :)
Exactly. We have had this discussion before and she and I differ. She posted about the press conference and pinged me and mentioned she supported someone but that Jeb was taking this action. I was just responding to her per our prior discussion.
No problem - no harm meant.
I am thrilled that Jeb is doing this. Don't expect Jeb to be happy with this situation any more than we are. And, I would expect that Jeb is highly unhappy with that batch of GOP/DEM legislators making these laws that withdraw food and water, allow hearsay evidence to kill, and even progressing to over-riding a Living Will should they wish.
Who in the BBBBBBB is making those decisions for you people in Florida? I would expect you to be causing an utter outrage demanding that the state is not going to be determining when you die. And also that the state sure as blankety-blank is not going to override your Living Will, not going to listen to a neighbor about your wishes rather than a distant relative.
You people are in danger there. Each and every one of you could be designated for death based on being alone in that state and a neighbor (or someone) saying they heard you did not want to live if you could not walk to the store.
I would be highly irate at the dang legislators up there making those laws. Just who is doing the deciding of when Florida citizens have to die? How are those laws being initiated? Is an end-of-life panel being given lawmaking ability without election to office?
Who is making the laws that are progressively expanding the reasons you and your family will meet death criteria without your knowledge?
When you find out - I want to know too.
I am dissapointed with Jeb. He feels guilty and very well he should. It is not to late for him to help other Terri's in his state and it is not to late for him to seek justice for Terri by pushing other's to take Michael, Greer, and Felos down. I hope Michael goes down and Jeb's influence's work. But I will forever be hurt by his actions and not sure if the rift I have for him will be able to heal. We will see.
Trust me - Jeb is your top supporter in that state.
There are just times when whatever action taken would not have saved Terri as the entire laws of Florida were geared to allow it. In addition, the courts were pushing it AND the Florida Supreme Court would not have upheld Jeb's over-riding the state laws.
You know that too. We all saw they even ignored a federal subpoena. A pipsqueak county judge does not ignore a federal subpoena unless he knows he has mighty powerful backing in Florida. Something is really dirty there and it ain't Jeb.
A horrible time and I am too tired to keep on trying to defend Jeb. So whatever you think it is your choice - not mine.
I would suggest that you turn your disgust to who is deciding in that state when you have to die. Don't you even see that that is the most dangerous part of this there for you and your family? Assuming you live in Florida.
What an exhausting posting time for the Terri supporters on FR.
Seems we are seeing the real views about the willingness to kill those deemed unwanted. I am ashamed to the core that so many I respected see nothing wrong with killing fellow Americans as long as they can justify it in their minds.
All these years of posting thinking I was working with like minded people only to find that these people are nothing like me and have none of my values. In fact, their values are the very things I am fighting the dems over. So, is FR really what I thought it was?
Apparently not. And, I will be looking for other sites that do have people that believe in the sanctity of life, that it is wrong to kill someone because they are weak, unproductive, old, disabled or deformed. People that do not want the state killing its citizens.
Sorry - think I am just really tired and disillusioned in the values of the anti-Terri crowd and that rather than join the fight against the state killing its citizens, they choose to defend the right to kill.
And, I am tired of seeing people targeted, baited and banned when they did nothing but speak for the wrong side. We are not being fooled, we know what is going on and therefore this site is becoming ugly and distasteful. I've heard new posters distraught over the flame throwers attacking them for merely stating their views.
Viciousness does not make an enjoyable site that any will read. And, the point of posting on FR is to get our grassroots views out there so that those with power might see enough of the views and do something about them, as well as have fun, join in activism, find friends.
But, a few here on FR are not what they claim to be and apparently they are willing to try and control the views of others.
W H O O P E E!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't be fooled into thinking the pro-euthanasia crowd is representative of Free Republic. They are vocal, but they are few. And they're losing ground. Free Republic is still a conservative forum that recognizes the sanctity of life.
I sure hope you are right.
As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America.
Then on the Terri situation there seem to be a lot of mis-placed posters. Wonder if they ever read that?
I posted it to them a couple times, but I don't think they read it.
Beware anyone getting on one of these Terri Schiavo supporter threads. Mostly irrational people post on these threads who are not based in reality. If you want to maintain your own sanity, get off this thread now, and leave it to the zealots to fight amongst themselves. There will be no logical or rational discourse on this thread.
So, save yourself from bad vibes by going to any thread other than a Schiavo one. Don't waste your breath or raise your blood pressure unnecessarily. I can guarantee that will be the effect on you if you stay here very long and are a normal person who bases your views on intellect rather than emotion. Warning, warning, warning!
Now she appeared on this thread to do the same.
They use words as tools, don't care what the words mean, only for the effect and this is a good example. That is how they catch victims because decent people see words for their meaning, not as tools.
Arguing their points with their tools is what they seek. You can never win these arguments because they simply cannot benefit from a logical explanation. They want the effect, not the answer.
On the other hand, this is a good way to demonstrate how they work. Besides, it bumps our thread so others can see and compare. The more they attack, the more they expose themselves. Watch her posts and watch her pattern as it is very predictable.
They come on to these posts to discourage people and to drive them away. They want desperately to turn people away from the Terri issue, but it is not working. The story of Terri is growing and growing, and the detractors are trying to stop it. As time goes on, we can expose their techniques and they identify themselves and their masks come off.
Watch here and elsewhere how they taunt, bait and insult, trying to keep just at the limit. Go to any far-left or communist training manual on how to disrupt and you will find the same tired techniques. The techniques have been around throughout the ages.
If the attacks don't drive you away or you don't fall into their standard logic traps, they insult and try to outshout so you get angry and make a mistake. Then they try to look virtuous and offended. Nothing original. Watch for it.
What we can do is shine the spotlight on them when they appear and avoid their traps.
Fuhrman: Schiavo's Collapse Still a Mystery
June 16, 2005
While Pinellas-Pasco Medical Examiner Jon Thogmartin suggested yesterday that his autopsy of Terri Schiavo had cleared up most of the questions raised by critics of the court-ordered decision to starve her to death, renowned homicide detective Mark Fuhrman insists that key aspects of the case remain in doubt.
Fuhrman, whose book on the Schiavo case, "Silent Witness," is due out on June 28, told ABC Radio host Sean Hannity yesterday that the most glaring mystery about the case remains unsolved: What was the cause of Schiavo's initial collapse on the night of Feb. 25, 1990?
"With what we saw in the autopsy and Dr. Thogmartin's [comments], we still don't know [why she collapsed]," said the former LAPD detective, whose book "Murder in Greenwich" was credited with solving the mysterious killing of Connecticut teen Martha Moxley more than two decades after it happened.
In fact, said Fuhrman, Schiavo's autopsy proved only that her injuries remain "unexplained," especially in light of Thogmartin's conclusion that she did not have a heart attack.
"We [still] do not know why she collapsed, why she was in a coma, why her brain was deprived of oxygen," Fuhrman said.
That last question is key, he told Hannity. "If she didn't have a heart attack, and if her heart had no damage, then her heart wasn't the reason that she was deprived of oxygen. Something else occurred that deprived her of oxygen."
While Thogmartin said his autopsy showed that there was "no evidence" of strangulation, that claim may not be as conclusive as it sounds, the renowned detective said, explaining, "There are many ways that there would not be evidence [of strangulation], especially after 15 years."
"There are other ways of depriving someone of oxygen that are very soft. The most common is someone in their sleep with a pillow over their face," the former LAPD detective said. He noted also that a police choke hold could deprive someone of oxygen while leaving no evidence of strangulation.
Fuhrman declined to go into detail about other aspects of his Schiavo investigation, but he told Hannity that there are serious problems with the timeline on the night of Terri's collapse.
"The timeline will kill you every time," he said.
I have to admit I'm skeptical. I hope that Jeb has someone supervising or reviewing McCabe.
I'm trying to be optomistic about this and really hope Jeb follows through.
I hope so too, but the track record leaves a lot to be desired.
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