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Expulsion rate highest for preschoolers, study shows
Fort Worth Star Telegram ^ | May 17, 2005

Posted on 05/17/2005 4:25:56 AM PDT by tuffydoodle

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1 posted on 05/17/2005 4:25:56 AM PDT by tuffydoodle
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"I felt like he had been cast in this misbehaving role, and now he may not know how else to act," she said.

You're right mommy - it's not the kid's fault, it's yours. You (and dad if he's still around) did the casting.
2 posted on 05/17/2005 4:28:36 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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Expulsion?

I thought the new procedure was to call the cops and 'cuff 'em.


3 posted on 05/17/2005 4:32:28 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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Maybe being institutionalized all day isn't the best thing for every 4-year-old boy. No, it can't be that!


4 posted on 05/17/2005 4:33:33 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Every day is Mother's Day when you have James the Wonder Baby!)
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most preschool programs are 3-4 hours several mornings per week. if these kids can't behave in that setting for that amount of time, it is their parents fault for failing to discipline them.


5 posted on 05/17/2005 4:36:21 AM PDT by xsmommy
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The article is lumping public-school "Pre-K" programs, day-care centers, and who-knows-what-all together.

I agree that children need to be discipline, but I don't think school is the right place for 3-year-olds.


6 posted on 05/17/2005 4:39:01 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Every day is Mother's Day when you have James the Wonder Baby!)
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I tend to agree with you, but what do you make of the fact that more boys are expelled than girls? I do sometimes think that today there is less tolerance for little boys' (and girls') normal toddler high spirits and exuberance (which are not to be confused with tantrums and brattiness). Whenever I read articles about "signs" of ADHD and see things like a child being "easily distracted" or "frustrated" (at age two!) I start to wonder. Seems to me that maybe our tolerance for childhood behavior has changed?

You would think, if lack of discipline is the basis, that you would see girls as well as boys expelled. Maybe misbehavior in boys tends more toward physical outlets that cause greater disruption to a classroom, while girl misbehavior is less disruptive on a classroom level? Or boys, due to their natural inclinations, more noticeably display the results of poor discipline? I think the best preschool for my boys is going to be one with an outdoor playground and lots of physical activity... I notice my older son's behavior is a lot better when he's burned off some of that energy.

7 posted on 05/17/2005 4:43:38 AM PDT by GraceCoolidge
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my kids considered it a fun place to go for a few mornings per week. it is hardly fair to characterize sending a child to preschool from 9-noon, three mornings a week, instutionalization.


8 posted on 05/17/2005 4:43:44 AM PDT by xsmommy
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Okay, I'll say it. Children belong at home with their mothers!


9 posted on 05/17/2005 4:43:58 AM PDT by texpat72 (<><)
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"Heather Kepler, Kevin's teacher at Camp Fire Family Center Child Care in Fort Worth, said many children are not being taught how to express themselves, and their parents are not setting appropriate limits and boundaries, or being consistent with discipline.

The little ones scream, kick, hit and throw things at school. "

They are being taught how to express themselves -- their parents are out in the street cursing the President, getting arrested for throwing paint on people wearing fur coats, and being dragged away in handcuffs for throwing rocks at men with guns.

What this teacher meant to say is "These children are being taught to express themselves INAPPROPRIATELY." And as Supernanny and everybody's granny already knows, the little brats crave limits and structure -- knowing that when they do "A", "B" will follow every single time; they need a schedule, and an example, and swift and certain justice. From the day they are born. Most of all they need to know that they didn't create the universe and they don't turn the crank, and it doesn't revolve around them. Too many of these brats are only children whose middle aged parents are hanging onto their childhoods through Junior and Susie.

It's not the children who need Supernanny. It's the mothers.


10 posted on 05/17/2005 4:45:57 AM PDT by KateatRFM
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Maybe being institutionalized all day isn't the best thing for every 4-year-old boy.

No foolin'. IMO, a lion's share of the problem (besides being starved for parents' attention) is sleep deprivation. Little kids need a lot of sleep & I doubt they're getting it. According to the chart in the following article, a 3 YO needs 12 hrs of sleep, a 4 YO needs 11 1/2...

Sleep

11 posted on 05/17/2005 4:46:10 AM PDT by elli1
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Okay not that I have the experience to really comment BUT some children should not be in pre-k, especially high spirited young boys. Actually high spirited children period ought to be home with mommy till they calm down and can go to school. My good friend's son goes to a Montessori school and he does very well. Other children I know have been kept home because the teacher recommended they be given ADD drugs.


12 posted on 05/17/2005 4:46:53 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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Unfortunately, in today's world if you don't send your kid to pre-school, then he/she will be at a disadvantage when he/she starts kindergarten. My kids are far beyond those years, but I do remember there being differences in kindergarten between those who had went to pre-school and those who had not. At a minimum, a decent pre-school teaches the child how to act in a school setting.

Pre-school doesn't have to be a five-days-a-week setting. Two or three half-days per week is beneficial for the child.

13 posted on 05/17/2005 4:47:27 AM PDT by ContraryMary (God bless Benedict XVI)
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Or boys, due to their natural inclinations, more noticeably display the results of poor discipline? I think the best preschool for my boys is going to be one with an outdoor playground and lots of physical activity.

I think a good part of it is the kids' diets. Filling them up with sugar-laden soda and snacks is going to cause hyperactivity in kids that age.

14 posted on 05/17/2005 4:49:27 AM PDT by ContraryMary (God bless Benedict XVI)
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i don't know about the boy-girl disparity, to tell you the truth. but i do feel that people fail to parent their children nowadays and i fear what that will mean when they are grownups and peers of my kids. seeing how kids behave in public, mine will look at me and roll their eyes and say, some chance you'd have let us carry on like that.


15 posted on 05/17/2005 4:49:27 AM PDT by xsmommy
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Workers don't know how to deal with kids that aren't robotic.


16 posted on 05/17/2005 4:50:58 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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i agree. it is all about learning how to behave in a group. mine are now 10, 13 and 16, also well beyond those preschool years. but they went to preschool, enjoyed it and learned how to behave in a group setting.


17 posted on 05/17/2005 4:51:36 AM PDT by xsmommy
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Mine are now 10 and 15. They had fun in preschool.


18 posted on 05/17/2005 4:52:29 AM PDT by ContraryMary (God bless Benedict XVI)
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Bingo! Some kids need a spanking. Like when defiantly ignoring a direct "don't do X" instruction from an adult.


19 posted on 05/17/2005 4:52:31 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Official Ruling Class Oligarch Oppressor)
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I hate to say it, but most young parents today don't know how to be parents. Either they had no exposure to young children in their lives or they weren't paying attention while they were supposed to be learning. That's part of the purpose of a large, extended family, IMO. I can't believe the number of girls my age who have babies and have never held one.


20 posted on 05/17/2005 4:54:12 AM PDT by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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