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DCF: Schiavo Not Abused Or Exploited
The Associated Press ^ | April 16, 2005

Posted on 04/16/2005 8:15:30 AM PDT by kingattax

TAMPA, Fla. -- State investigators found no evidence that Terri Schiavo had been abused or exploited by either side of her family, according to documents released by Florida's Department of Children and Families.

The agency investigated 89 complaints dating back to 2001, when Schiavo's feeding tube was removed for the first time and the legal battle surrounding her right-to-die case intensified.

The calls alleged that the brain-damaged woman was being mistreated by her husband and her parents for financial gain. One complaint alleged that Schiavo's parents were selling videos of her through a Web site; another said Schiavo's husband wasn't spending money intended for her rehabilitation.

But investigators said they found no evidence that either her husband or parents were exploiting her, and often noted in their records that they found Schiavo well cared for on their visits to her Pinellas Park hospice.

The agency released the records Friday under court order.

Schiavo, 41, died last month after her feeding tube was removed for the third time, ending a bitter court battle between her husband, Michael Schiavo, and parents, Robert and Mary Schindler, over whether she would have wanted to live in a vegetative state.

The repeated allegations of abuse were based partly on bone scans showing Terri Schiavo suffered fractures and statements she made to family and friends that she was unhappy in her marriage.

Schiavo's husband has denied harming his wife. His lawyer said the fractures resulted from osteoporosis caused by the woman's years of immobility and complications of her medication.

Robert Schindler declined to comment there on the release of the DCF documents. An attorney for Michael Schiavo did not immediately return calls


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KEYWORDS: dcf; schiavo; terri; terrischiavo
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The autopsy report will be just as disgusting when that comes out. All these pathetic worms have a "she's gone so let's just forget it" attitude.
1 posted on 04/16/2005 8:15:30 AM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

Wow, what a suprise to se the Associated Press spreading another lie.... NOT.


2 posted on 04/16/2005 8:17:53 AM PDT by demkicker (Support DeLay, the Hammer, and the filibuster ban on judicial nominations!)
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To: kingattax
Florida's Department of Children and Families.

This is a believable bunch isn't it

3 posted on 04/16/2005 8:18:30 AM PDT by RogerRabbit
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To: kingattax



*gasp* I'm shocked. Not. This is going to be swept under the rug. The woman was murdered by her husband, I'd call that extremely abusive.


4 posted on 04/16/2005 8:20:37 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: demkicker

The AP was probably orgasming when they wrote this crock.


5 posted on 04/16/2005 8:22:09 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful Or Fatal If Swallowed)
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To: RogerRabbit
Typical...they have a history of taking kids away from decent parents for utterly ridiculous 'abuse' charges and they say Terri was "well-treated". Give us a break !

The fires of hell are getting HOTTER

6 posted on 04/16/2005 8:24:20 AM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

First of all, nothing in this report said, "She's gone let's forget her".

Second, there are some on here who will call every piece of evidence and every opinion that doesnt' conform 110% to their expectations as part of the vast conspiracy. The problem with those folk is that they (along with their counterparts on the other side) will kill discussions of any measures to prevent this from happening again.

Every 10 years... set your watch... and remember my words when it happens again.


7 posted on 04/16/2005 8:28:13 AM PDT by TWohlford
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To: kingattax

Is it possible that the guy never hit his wife? I was not there, and so you. So why is it almost 100% of you guys believe for sure that the husband beat her up, and put her into a coma. Then, he spent years at her bed side helping her. You guys need a hobby or something else to waste your time on.


8 posted on 04/16/2005 8:29:11 AM PDT by conservlib
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To: kingattax

""We feel that release of those records will be helpful for all concerned to evaluate the frivolity of the continuing investigation," attorney Hamden Baskin III told the Orlando Sentinel."

The only reason for releasing: persuasion to call off the investigation. I say one more reason to continue...guess some of us just favor the frivolous quest for truth.


9 posted on 04/16/2005 8:33:49 AM PDT by Fam4Bush (If you bungle raising your children, I don't think whatever else you do well matters very much - JKO)
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To: SouthernFreebird

The evidence shows she was bulemic and experienced heart problems as a result of a potassium deficiency induced by a very poor diet.


10 posted on 04/16/2005 8:36:21 AM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: demkicker

Wasn't DCF touted as the savior a month ago? So now, they're part of Satan's conspiracy? Can it be that you're just WRONG?


11 posted on 04/16/2005 8:37:40 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

EWWW ! Please pass me an iron spike to drive into my brain to erase THAT image from my mind.


13 posted on 04/16/2005 8:40:23 AM PDT by lastchance (Life is sacred.)
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To: kingattax

ping


14 posted on 04/16/2005 8:41:20 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: organdonor

She lost weight with weight watchers before she met Michael.


15 posted on 04/16/2005 8:41:48 AM PDT by pitinkie (revenge will be sweet)
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To: kingattax
Step 1: "We demand that DCF conduct an investigation!"

Step 2: "The DCF investigation finds 'NO EVIDENCE' that Terri was abused."

Step 3: "The investigation was rigged!"

16 posted on 04/16/2005 8:44:13 AM PDT by lugsoul ("maybe those who are defending this judicial murder could be said to be WORSE than Nazis." - EV)
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To: lugsoul

As I understand it, DCF did not conduct an investigation after Terri's death -- this is stuff that was sealed long ago and is now being released. I could be wrong about that, but that is what I gather. Note,also, it just refers to her recent treatment -- not to any allegations about how she collapsed in the first place, or how she was cared for before she was moved to the hospice. The report says it refers to complaints filed since 2001.


18 posted on 04/16/2005 8:49:14 AM PDT by soccermom
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To: conservlib

Not to offend, just wondering what sources you've considered.


19 posted on 04/16/2005 8:52:01 AM PDT by Fam4Bush (If you bungle raising your children, I don't think whatever else you do well matters very much - JKO)
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To: organdonor

"My point is: who lets their kid gain that much weight?" As opposed to the kind that force their kids to puke up their food? Who knows? Some people gain weight more easily than others. I've seen families where some kids are skinny and some are fat. They obviously have access to the same food, so I wouldn't be so quick to blame parents -- other than for their genetics.


20 posted on 04/16/2005 8:52:47 AM PDT by soccermom
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To: bert



She died from the removal of food and water. Michael is responsible for that.


21 posted on 04/16/2005 8:53:43 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: Fam4Bush
I have no source, but, I can bet that you were not present in the Schiavo's house to witness him beating his wife.
22 posted on 04/16/2005 8:53:47 AM PDT by conservlib
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To: Hildy

Again, I could be wrong about this, but I think this news story refers to an older report. I don't know if it is the "same" DCF now that it was then.


23 posted on 04/16/2005 9:00:05 AM PDT by soccermom
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To: kingattax
His lawyer said the fractures resulted from osteoporosis caused by the woman's years of immobility and complications of her medication.

I seem to recall hearing that those bone scans were taken early in her illness, not after "years of immobility". Anyone else remeber hearing that?

24 posted on 04/16/2005 9:02:37 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: kingattax

Well, it looks as though the only thing we'll all agree on is that every situation, every allegation, every investigation, should have been looked into a long time ago. If it weren't for missing reports, sealed records, and investigation shut-downs causing substantial suspect in the minds of many, I guess there'd be no argument...or maybe less argument.


25 posted on 04/16/2005 9:04:18 AM PDT by Fam4Bush (If you bungle raising your children, I don't think whatever else you do well matters very much - JKO)
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To: kingattax

No not abused at all. Just slowly starved two death for two weeks.


26 posted on 04/16/2005 9:04:56 AM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: kingattax

DCF doesn't have the best record of protecting either children or families.

Just ask Rilya Wilson.

I would take this report with several boatloads of salt.


27 posted on 04/16/2005 9:06:21 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: conservlib

I could say you weren't there to see him not, but I won't. I would offer resources however to help you see an alternative picture.


28 posted on 04/16/2005 9:06:54 AM PDT by Fam4Bush (If you bungle raising your children, I don't think whatever else you do well matters very much - JKO)
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To: lugsoul

Step 4. Be tolerant of people who don't have a clue what kind of idiots are in the DCF in FLorida and the history of liberal lunacy this agency has.


29 posted on 04/16/2005 9:07:32 AM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

I for one am shocked - SHOCKED!


30 posted on 04/16/2005 9:08:32 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (CARPE TUNNEL - seize the mouse)
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To: conservlib

If the case for keeping her alive depended on her husband beating her then it is a weak case. The case for letting her live is that we don't kill people who are not dying.


31 posted on 04/16/2005 9:08:38 AM PDT by Honestfreedom
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To: bert
The evidence shows she was bulemic and experienced heart problems as a result of a potassium deficiency induced by a very poor diet.

Actually, the "evidence" shows nothing of the kind. These were stories circulated by a lazy and unethical MSM spreading propaganda instead of doing its job.
32 posted on 04/16/2005 9:09:31 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: bert

there was NO evidence of anything like that.....please cite a source


33 posted on 04/16/2005 9:09:55 AM PDT by kingattax
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To: conservlib

If you think Michael Schiavo is blameless, I'd say you need more than a hobby.


34 posted on 04/16/2005 9:10:11 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (CARPE TUNNEL - seize the mouse)
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To: JimRed

Terri's medical discharge summary:
Please note: She had cardiac arrest, severely low potassium (3.7 is low enough to make you 2x more likely to have cardiac arrest (which is not a heart attack) hers was a 2.0.

she had no head injury,
she had a stiff neck "and all other muscles in her body were stiff"- which is is "normal" under those circumstances - in spite of the BS started by Hammesfahr about her neck (see below)
was in a coma, on a ventilator, and her tube was put in there at the hospital, NOT "at Michael's request for the convenience of the nurses"
- she was malnourished and low in calcium
- Classic profile of a bulimic, especially added to the fact that she faught a life-long weight problem, going from ~250 lbs at age 18 to 110-120 in '90, and was seeing and infertility doc, and missing her periods. (the major malpractice suit of the 2 was for his not noticing the signs - he hadn't taken a blood chemisty)

Also note that bulimics lose up to 30% of their bone mass in a single year. Even Dr Baden, in the last few weeks, has said everything was consistent with bulimia. His earlier comments were based only on the bone scan... and he misread it at that, thinking it showed a head injury. It doesn't. (see link to greer and unedited bone scan deposition below)
Her knee x-ray showed nothing.

http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/Humana%20Discharge%20Summary%20050990.pdf

Report of Guardian ad litem Richard Pearse, who was relieved after a year, when it was discovered that he had a previously stated personal objections to legalizing the removal of patient feeding tubes:
Note that, while he recommended against pulling the feeding tube, citing conflict of interest for Michael Schiavo, he also found him to have gone above the call of duty in seeking the best care possible for Terri. He also agreed that she was PVS, and says he never once was able to elicit a response from her. He scoffed at Carla Iyer's claims about Michael.
http://www.hospicepatients.org/richard-pearse-jr-12-29-98-report-of-guardianadlitem-re-terri-schiavo.pdf

Bone scan - the doctors who actually saw Terri, and the radiologist who did follow-up x-rays saw nothing suspicious.
It only showed a compression fracture of Lumbar 1 (which many with osteoporosis (like bulimics) walk around with, and he said could have even happened when she collapsed), a possibly *bruised* femur (ditto), and multiple ribs showing signs of injury, which he said could be caused by CPR. The rest were common joint problems from Phys. Therapy and treated by her therapists.
http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/trialctorder11-02-scan.pdf


35 posted on 04/16/2005 9:10:39 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever killed or captured.)
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To: Fudd Fan

These people probably think OJ was innocent too


36 posted on 04/16/2005 9:11:14 AM PDT by kingattax
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To: organdonor

Its not their fault.


37 posted on 04/16/2005 9:11:19 AM PDT by pitinkie (revenge will be sweet)
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To: DustyMoment

And with that comment, you have proven that you haven't read one single solitary court document related to this matter.


38 posted on 04/16/2005 9:11:45 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever killed or captured.)
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To: Hildy

I don't remember anyone advocating the DCF be brought in as a FIRST choice. No one was heralding them as saviours at any time.


39 posted on 04/16/2005 9:11:46 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (CARPE TUNNEL - seize the mouse)
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To: kingattax

"Step 4. Be tolerant of people who don't have a clue what kind of idiots are in the DCF in FLorida and the history of liberal lunacy this agency has."


I believe the key word here is "infiltrate."


40 posted on 04/16/2005 9:11:58 AM PDT by Fam4Bush (If you bungle raising your children, I don't think whatever else you do well matters very much - JKO)
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To: kingattax

See my post above. In fact, read the malpractice suit where doctors were sued for NOT catching that Terri was bulimic.


41 posted on 04/16/2005 9:12:41 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever killed or captured.)
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To: SouthernFreebird
The woman was murdered by her husband, I'd call that extremely abusive.

Oh come now. HE used lawyers and doctors to murder ..... ooops ....... I mean kill ....... uuuh ....... ummm ..... doo away with ....... no that's not it ....... miiiiiiimmmmmmm ..... oh yeah ........ put to a final rest, so it was all nice and legal. Beside a large group of lawyers... ooops ...... I mean judges alll approved.

42 posted on 04/16/2005 9:12:47 AM PDT by fella
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I know it was reported she was over weight in school. But they fail to report that she went on Nutri System to lose all of that weight. If someone succeeds in a proven weight loss system, why would they then become bulimic years later?

I don't remember anything being documented that she was bulimic. None of her friends have stated that and her family was not aware of it. No where was that mentioned until after MS decided it was time for her to go. Can you source your statement?
43 posted on 04/16/2005 9:13:16 AM PDT by queenkathy (A day without sunshine is like, well, night)
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To: conservlib
I have no source, but, I can bet that you were not present in the Schiavo's house to witness him beating his wife.

Granted, there is no conclusive evidence associating Terri's injuries with any "beatings" she might have received from Michael. However, there is a wealth of circumstantial evidence that, taken together appears to be very suspicious and Michael has never been investigated for any possible physical abuse he might have done.
44 posted on 04/16/2005 9:13:52 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Honestfreedom
I am with you. I think starving a person to death was barbaric. But this whole crap about the husband beating her is pure vindictive speculation. There are so many eye witnesses who testified on this guy behalf that he spent years caring for her, in her hospital room. These Evangelical type need to be Christians first and stop spreading lies against this guy.
45 posted on 04/16/2005 9:15:03 AM PDT by conservlib
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To: kingattax
Typical...they have a history of taking kids away from decent parents for utterly ridiculous 'abuse' charges and they say Terri was "well-treated". Give us a break ! The fires of hell are getting HOTTER

As a long time ( over 30 years) foster parent, I can VOUCH for every word you typed!!!! Children's "non-service" are a disgrace!!!!!!!!!!

46 posted on 04/16/2005 9:16:53 AM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: lugsoul

........and you BELIEVE THAT???
as one who has worked for 30 years with children's services, I can tell you they are a less than professional bunch!!!!!!!!


47 posted on 04/16/2005 9:18:32 AM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: JimRed

They were taken in late 1990 when she screamed during a physical therapy session. The Dr ordered bone scan to see why it was so painful for her. Not bad for someone who could not feel pain as felos reported. If that was the case it is only because of MS years of abuse and neglect. I say abuse because it is considered abusive to not take care of someone like Terri. There are many forms of abuse. Physical and emotional to say the least.


48 posted on 04/16/2005 9:18:33 AM PDT by queenkathy (A day without sunshine is like, well, night)
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To: JimRed

And bulimia or anorexia can cause the bone loss, too.


49 posted on 04/16/2005 9:19:26 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: conservlib

Is it possible that the guy never hit his wife?
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Possible but not likely. She would show up at work with bruises all over her body, and told her fellow workers is was caused by wrestling with Mikey. Yeah, sure, nobody who saw her bruises believed it for even 1 second !!!

Then on the fateful night, after she told Mikey she wanted a divorce, she wound up on the floor... half in and half out of the bathroom... laying with her face straight down on the floor and her hands around her neck !!! That's exactly the position she was in when the ER team arrived... not because Mikey called 911 immediately... but only AFTER her brother arrived on the scene !!!

Don't try to tell me that a loving, blameless husband would NOT call 911 immediately... and would NOT cuddle her and put her on the bed or couch for her comfort... not to mention that Mikey REFUSED to give Terri CPR, despite the fact that he was thoroughly trained in such procedures !!!

Now just sit down and shut up, conservlib, cuz you have NO idea what you're talking about !!!


50 posted on 04/16/2005 9:20:07 AM PDT by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!! -- Impeach Greer !!!.)
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