Skip to comments.Theresa Marie Schindler... May Daily Thread 2005 CALL TO ACTION: Our Fight for Justice Continues
Posted on 04/03/2005 5:19:05 PM PDT by floriduh voter
Freeper friends, Terri's Memorial Service is this coming Tuesday night in Gulfport, Florida. Please check and see if www.baynews9.com will carry it on the internet.
I'm still sad and in disbelief that the rescue fell apart. It was on it's way. We were waiting there for ambulances but instead two Sheriff's cruisers arrived.
There's much work to do. There are many work groups here carrying on for Terri.
The April Daily Thread as before will be a meeting place, a news digest and even in the midst of sorrow, a place to make friends.
I want to thank everyone who did everything humanly possible for Terri and her family. Terri's safe now from a room with the blinds closed, strange people and armed guards. She'd still be here if it wasn't for judicial despots who it appears have never read the Declaration of Independence or the U.S. or Florida Constitution.
Freepers, Republicans and Democrats alike voted against Terri or didn't do enough to save her from Judge Greer.
I'd like to thank Ralph Nader, David Boies, Joe Lieberman and Wesley Smith, Phd, author of Forced Exit.
I have disdain for the Naughty Nine Republicans in the Florida Senate who vote "No" which barred Terri from legislative relief. The GOP House Members who voted "No" on Terri, shame on them too.
WHAT EXACTLY IS THE AGENDA AND WHO IS IN CHARGE? I'm afraid that Judge George Greer is in charge - of everything.
PLEASE HELP FLORIDA... CALL YOUR SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN/WOMEN.
HELP US. We feel stranded by tyranny today, but Florida is ripe for change. We will demand it together as Americans.
"Because of these miracles maybe "man" ought to get the idea that they are NOT in control of life and death!!"
That is VERY well said.
I wish I had contact info for the parents, but don't, so I used contact info from the link about the story.
You can e-mail right from the link, and I have copied #'s for you to the local ABCtv where the story/link came from:
Houston TX 77005
Our Phone Number is (713) 666-0713
Our News Tip Line is (713) 669-1313 Our Sports Fax # is (713) 663-4591
Thanks for keeping up the fight to save the most vulnerable.
The Bush's are two busy playing to the liberal elite crowd. I found her whole comedy routine distasteful. They have time to tell gutter jokes, but cannot take the time to respond to the tratment of the disabled in this country. Even Jande Fonda was in the crowd.
'Desperate Housewife' Laura Grabs Stage from Bush
Yes, that's scoop1
Excerpt... whole article worth reading:
"Michael Schiavo, the husband of the now-deceased Terri Schiavo, got some help from Catholics in his quest to convince the Florida courts to permit the course of events that eventually led to his wife's death by starvation. In the case Jeb Bush v. Michael Schiavo (decided in November), Michael Schiavo received the help of a local Catholic, James Walter, a bioethics professor at Loyola Marymount University in Los Angeles. Walter was one of the signers of an amicus curiae brief, submitted in July of last year, that argued that Michael Schiavo should be allowed to deprive his wife in a persistent vegetative state for 15 years of food and hydration. Terri Schiavo died March 29 of starvation."
"Professor Walter's participation in the Terri Schiavo story is a small one, but for Catholics in Southern California it is of some importance in demonstrating the quality of bioethics education at the Southland's premier Catholic university, for Walter is the director of the Bioethics Insititute at Loyola Marymount. The amicus curiae brief presumably reflects Walter's thought, since he signed it. But more revealing, perhaps, is an article he co-wrote in 2004 for the the National Catholic Reporter assessing Pope John Paul II's 2004 address in which the pontiff said that persons in a persistent vegetative should not be deprived of nutrition and hydration. In this article, I will consider the amicus curiae brief and Walter's Reporter article in turn.
NOTE TO SALVATION, NYer, PYRO: WOULD LOVE TO KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW WALTER'S CONTRIBUTION REALLY SQUARES WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH'S POSITION ON EUTHANASIA. DID HE USE LANGUAGE COUCHED IN SUBTLETIES TO FRAME A HELPFUL POSITION FOR M.SCHIAVO THAT'S REALLY ACCEPTABLE TO THE CHURCH? ==========================================================
And.. showing both the state of the judicial system in Florida AND the spread of the culture of death at work .. an innocent life will again be taken:
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. A judge in Florida says a 13-year-old girl can have an abortion.
The girl, identified only as L-G, has been in state custody for four years. And her case has been at the center of an abortion fight.
Florida's Department of Children and Families says she is too young and immature to decide for herself whether to end her pregnancy.
However the judge who initially blocked her from getting an abortion until she could be psychologically evaluated says she won't be physically or emotionally harmed.
The judge's decision was released yesterday.
State officials have not said if they'll appeal.
FLORIDA DCF: WHAT ARE YOU DOING?? WHERE ARE YOU HIDING???
"ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. A firefighter brain-damaged in a 1995 roof collapse had an "amazing" weekend, recognizing and speaking with his four sons and other family and friends for the first time in years, a family spokesman said Monday.
"I want to talk to my wife," Donald Herbert (search) said out of the blue Saturday at the skilled nursing facility where he has lived for more than seven years. Staff members put Linda Herbert on the telephone.
It was the first of many conversations he had during a 14-hour stretch, Herbert's uncle, Simon Manka said.
"How long have I been away?" Herbert asked.
"We told him almost 10 years," the uncle said. "He thought it was only three months."
PRAISE THE LORD!!
I just wanted to weep after reading this. Weep for JOY for this firefighter and his family........weep in grief and sorrow for Terri , yet again!!!
I am not getting over what happened to Terri. My husband thinks I should have gotten over it by now. I'm never getting over it. NEVER!!
me neither Saundra! It affected me so bad that I got sick. I had to actually isolate for a few days and grieve. I am still not myself in any sense of the word!!
#2157 Catholic from S. Cal. backed HINO up.
Terri is America's innocent daughter. You don't have to get over it. Righteous indignation and the desire for justice are good traits. Keep them. Your pal, FV
America's Innocent Daughter
Me either, I will never get over Terri. Every time I see Jeb or George on the TV I still get mad and shut them off. I'm still so mad at them for not doing enough for Terri.
I still want justice for Terri and I'm very afraid the only time it will happen after this life is over for those who have harmed her.
I will not forget though, never. I don't have trust in any govt leaders anymore. I shouldn't have ever had them from the get go!
I will never trust a politician again - of either party. The only one I still like is Tom DeLay because I think he really did try his test to save Terri.
I think I might need counseling. I was this way after 9/11. We need to pray for one another. God bless you. Amen.
I understand. If I wasn't already on an antidepressant for other medical reasons that I would likely have to get counseling as well. I feel like I lost a family member when Terri died. I am a person that is known to heal fast from heartbreak so I am doing allright, but that doesn't mean I have forgotten! I never will!
pollywog wrote: I just wanted to weep after reading this. Weep for JOY for this firefighter and his family........weep in grief and sorrow for Terri , yet again!!!""
Me too, Pollywog!! Thanks to Starwise for posting the article and also the article about the LA Bio-ethics ghoul.
So many of these people are following the teachings of their guru - Margaret Sanger - the so called founder of Planned Parenthood. Abortion Rights has turned into the new so called Right to Die movement. Same ole spirit of death at work.
Herbert, the firefighter, had a family who supported him. He had therapy for all those years. Thank God, people like Michael Schiavo, Felos and Greer were not involved in his treatment plan.
Hi Future Useless Eater!
I just read some of the information which you posted on another thread, from the following site:
SUNNY ST. PETERSBURG HAS A DARK SIDE
Looting and Abuse in a Guardianship Agency
(only a snip of what's in the article)
Guardianship is based on two faulty assumptions: That the court will provide oversight and that the guardian will be honest and discharge his/her duties toward the ward responsibly.
When families and friends of wards discover that the guardian is not acting responsibly, or worse, is stealing the wards money or property, they come up against a wall of indifference, a court system which favors the guardian and a judicial system where the level of proof required for action is located in documents sealed by the court for the protection of the ward. And calling the police results in hearing that this is a civil matter.
When families hire an attorney to petition the court to remove a guardian and replace him/her with someone in which the family has confidence, these attempts most often fail. The guardian doesnt relinquish control. Instead, the guardian fights the family in court, using the wards money to do so. Here in St. Petersburg, the court rules against the family most of the time.
End of Quote.
I don't know why I even get shocked by this stuff anymore. It's so hedious, it is almost unreal or unbelieveable. Guess the phrase *Follow the Money Trail* applies in Terri's case too. From what I read in the above article, rarely does the family win against the court.
The site is full of very interesting information. Thanks for the link, FUE~!! Doesn't anyone in power care about defenseless elders or the disabled? Delay is being blasted for his outrage over this horror. Does Delay's treatment send a message to any politican who tries to stop this crap? Yeah, it probably does.
James Walker is not a Catholic - he is a C.I.N.O.
A number of years ago Mother Angelica said that anti-Catholicism is invading Catholic colleges. She was right.
About the 13 year old, did she herself want an abortion?
I know her own mother didn't. She was interviewed, and said in so many words: she made a mistake, she must learn the consequences, and you just don't take an innocent life. HER OWN MOTHER IS POWERLESS AGAINST THE STATE'S DEATH MACHINE .. JUST LIKE TERRI .. THERE IS EVIL EVERYWHERE IN FLORIDA ANYMORE. I thought Jeb's comment was very weak .. very. Tragically sad that the judge's decision is just accepted .. no appeal from the State .. no fight .. just let it happen. Unbelievable that this is America in 2005.
>>>Doesn't anyone in power care about defenseless elders or the disabled? Delay is being blasted for his outrage over this horror. Does Delay's treatment send a message to any politican who tries to stop this crap? Yeah, it probably does.
ALL true. I think most politicians lost their nerve and bowed to the phoney MSM polls. If they can get away with doing nothing, I would guess that is what they will do.
New at The North Country Gazette
FELOS MOTHER KILLED HIS FATHER--ASSISTED SUICIDE?
Please ping your lists. Thanks, FV
THEY KEEP LYING ABOUT TERRI'S CONDITION. Terri was alert and aware and everyone who wakes up and starts talking, the euthanazi's will always strongarm docs to get them to lie about Terri.
pontius jeb washed his hands again and said "it was a tragedy." The Terri trolls always use the word "tragedy". It's liberal speak.
I'm voting against people from now on and only for people if they can prove they're not phony liars.
I need eight new freeper volunteers to google, etc. If there's anyone you can think of, pls freepmail me or have them freepmail me. Thanks, FV
The Empire Journal
Schiavo Tangled Web of Deception, Corruption Part II
So many terrible things are going on in Florida. It seems as if the state is filled with evil.
We must all pray for the girl and her pre-born baby.
I now need SEVEN volunteers for a google type research project. If you are interested or know someone who's good at research, pls freepmail me. Please ping your lists. Thanks, FV
Hurray for Glenn Beck. I will send him a fan letter. Everyother day I google for articles regarding Terri Schiavo and send responses to ill-informed and ill-written articles. Lately, all the articles are only mentioning Terri Schiavo in relation to something else. She and her circumstances need to stay in the media.
additionally you can also go to:
and search under schiavo if it's not on the front page
I am posting an excerpt from World Net Daily's Joseph Farah re: Greer's Former Pastor at Calvary Baptist Church
Greer, until recently, was a member of the Calvary Baptist Church in Clearwater, Fla. He left at the urging of Pastor William Rice, who counseled him wisely: "You must know that in all likelihood it is this case which will define your career and this case that you will remember in the waning days of life. I hope you can find a way to side with the angels and become an answer to the prayers of thousands."
Rice has my highest regard for that decision. Too many pastors in this country don't require obedience to God as a prerequisite for church membership. They seem to believe in a kind of "cheap" grace that comes with regular attendance or tithing rather than a Christian walk. They seem to have no minimal standards for fellowship and communion with the saints.
There are few heroes in the Terri Schiavo scandal. Her parents and siblings qualify. Terri herself qualifies. Those who braved arrest to bring her cups of water qualify. And, in my book, so does Rev. William Rice.
Do you want to know why the church doesn't have influence and impact in our increasingly secular world today?
Because there are too many so-called Christians like Judge George Greer and not enough like Pastor William Rice.
Greer's friends have attacked the church and defended the judge, saying he was interpreting the law to the best of his ability. However, if that is true, then Greer, as a Christian, had a duty to obey God's laws rather than man's laws. That would require him to leave the bench if he truly saw a conflict. Instead, Greer opted to leave his church and, presumably, his weak faith.
"Like evangelicals across the world, we are horrified at the thought that a handicapped woman could be, in effect, starved to death before a watching world," Rice wrote. Admitting he was not a legal or medical expert, Rice asserted: "I know right from wrong. I know what God thinks about human life. I know there is only one way to describe the prospect of starving a woman to death because she cannot feed herself. It is wrong."
Rice continued: "Morality and truth must serve as our guide. Terri Schiavo is not on life support. She is not dying. Good evidence exists to suggest that she is responsive. All she receives is food and water, the same as you and me. Are we to conclude that she is less than human because she cannot feed herself? Can a month-old child feed himself? Is an elderly patient stricken with some debilitating disease and unable to feed herself suddenly less human? Do we now use an IQ test to determine if someone possesses the right to live? Isn't that God's choice? Only God can give life, and only He should take it away."
"Tread carefully if you think this is simply about a dying woman being allowed to die peacefully," Rice wrote. "Remember when we were told that Roe v. Wade was simply about helping women who had been raped or whose lives were imminently threatened? Today, few abortions fall into that category, but millions of human lives have been sacrificed upon the altar of selfishness. And the slide down the slippery slope continues."
In case Greer was still confused, his pastor gave him more to think about.
"This case seems complex, but it is as simple as four words: 'Thou shalt not kill.' If you need a compass for this complex case, you'll find it there," he wrote. "As we all know, the Sixth Commandment means it is wrong to murder to take the life of an innocent person without just cause. If I were the nurse in that hospice center and the directive were given to me to discontinue feeding a living human being and watch as he or she starved to death, I couldn't do it. I'd rather get fired, resign or do something else."
Christians can go on blaming others for the problems we face in this country. Or we can go into the churches and start cleaning up the messes we have in our own houses of worship. It's time to take back the churches. It's time to renew the idea of standards. It's time to make church membership mean something again.
Judge George Greer did the wrong thing. Pastor William Rice did the right thing. If we had more pastors like Rice, we'd have fewer judges like Greer.
March 31, 2005 WND
Many in the media has deliberately misstated facts about Terri's case. It is interesting that the Schindler's ME was not allowed access to Terri.
Michael Schiavo wanted to keep Terri's burial from her parents - just one of this many nasty acts that reveal he is a sociopath.
"I know her own mother didn't. She was interviewed, and said in so many words: she made a mistake, she must learn the consequences, and you just don't take an innocent life. HER OWN MOTHER IS POWERLESS AGAINST THE STATE'S DEATH MACHINE .. JUST LIKE TERRI .. THERE IS EVIL EVERYWHERE IN FLORIDA ANYMORE."
I hadn't followed this story that close. I didn't know her own mother was against the abortion. I wonder if the state is even allowing the mother to talk to her daughter about the consequences of having an abortion. I bet the mother is being kept away from her daughter.
Just received this, there is protest planned!
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Unfortunately, according to the newspaper article I've attached to the bottom of the page, he is being honored with a very distinctive award, on Thursday night (May 5, 2005) mainly for the way he handled the Terri Schiavo case. On hearing this news, a small group of us in Tampa, Florida are organizing a protest outside of the Heritage Springs Golf and County Club in New Port Richey, FL. We are told that the ceremony will begin at 6:00 so we are recommending all Schiavo supporters to arrive around 5 with signs. All Christian radio stations in the area are being contacted. We ask that you please support us in this cause. Please tell all of your people who are in favor of impeaching Judge Greer to be there. The address is listed below, as well as the newspaper article.
Thank you very much.
Heritage Springs Golf and Country Club
11345 Robert Trent Jones Parkway
New Port Richey, FL
Florida's elderly and disabled who have not been indoctrinated to believe they aren't worth much want to live and they are afraid thanks to the complete failure to rescue Terri.
The big politicos must be protected at all costs.
Very weak indeed, Jeb!
Shame on you.
Fr. Pavone Repeats Description of Judge Greer as 'Murderer'
5/4/2005 9:23:00 AM
To: National and State Desks
Contact: Jerry Horn of Priests for Life, 540-785-4733
WASHINGTON, May 4 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Fr. Frank Pavone, national director of Priests for Life, responded today to the announcement that Judge George Greer will receive the "Special Justice Award" tomorrow in Florida.
"On the night before Terri Schiavo died, I said to the national media that Judge Greer was a murderer. I repeat that today. I use the word not in its legal meaning but in its moral meaning, that is, a deliberate action or series of actions that intentionally kill an innocent person. Terri was not dying until she stopped receiving food and water. Once deprived of that sustenance, she died. It does not require any legal or medical expertise to recognize that as murder. Nobody who has lost the basic capability to understand that should be honored.
"Whatever judgment, furthermore, is made on Judge Greer's legal authority to do what he did, no Court has the moral authority to directly and deliberately take innocent life, and those ordered to carry out such decisions are morally obliged to resist them by conscientious objection. Pope John Paul II made that teaching clear in his encyclical letter 'The Gospel of Life.'"
Other religious leaders, including Cardinal Renato Martino, president of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace at the Vatican, have described this tragedy in similar terms, as have countless Americans.
For more information, see http://www.priestsforlife.org
Flow chart please!!!
God bless Frank Pavone.
Thanks for the update.
George Felos Attorney, Right-to-Die Expert & Author
Program Title - The Terri Schiavo Saga: From Family Fight to Constitutional Crisis
Amen to that good post.
I noticed that on a film clip of him walking next to
the murderous Michael Schiavo. He truly does.
How special to go get a make over, once one has been paid nearly a half million to "off" another person.