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Posted on 02/24/2005 6:27:01 AM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: Cultural Jihad
To: doug from upland
wants totally open borders with Mexico
And this is different from Democrats and Republicans how?
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posted on
02/24/2005 8:07:45 AM PST
by
BJClinton
(What's the difference between the Super Bowl and the Grammy's? The Eagles have won a Grammy)
To: PhiKapMom
There are some Libertian policies that conservatives (and especially Republicans) simply will not go for, and open borders are one of them. I don't think many on here are advocating voting for the LP. I simply wish that libertian-minded conservatives would have more influence within the GOP. I certainly don't agree with all LP policies, but as a principled small-government type who believes in personal responsibility and hates government waste, it's hard not to be alarmed at where the GOP is today. Was the Contract With America (which turned out to be all talk) really just 10 years ago?
I'm for secure borders, the death penalty and other things that don't jive with the LPP, but there are many libertarian/conservative ideas that the GOP continues to move away from.
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posted on
02/24/2005 8:09:06 AM PST
by
Akira
(Experience is a hard teacher, but fools will have no other.)
To: robertpaulsen
If this country wishes recreational and prescription drugs to be regulated at the state level, then I would suggest a federal amendment, similar in wording to the 21st amendment, taking that power away from the federal government. There is no need for an amendment to remove that power from the federal government, because no amendment was enacted giving that power to the federal government in the first place.
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posted on
02/24/2005 8:13:26 AM PST
by
steve-b
(A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
To: Cultural Jihad
Democracy only works when its members are moral, responsible, self-governing people. Since no one in the world has ever been nor ever will be those things, one must assume you are AGAIN arguing against Americans and their form of government. Please suggest YOUR ideal form of government since you don't like our form.
The Taliban seems to be the model that fits your ideal.
Advocating Holy war (Jihad) against the American culture is not a moral thing.
85
posted on
02/24/2005 8:13:26 AM PST
by
Protagoras
(Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
To: Always Right
The moralless anarchy that Libertarians propose has never worked and I have no doubt it never will. I don't believe they propose an amoral anarchy, rather, letting morals be decided by the people as a social issue rather than enforced by the government as a legal issue. Society will still look down upon the heroin junkie, whether it's legal or not. We do it with alcoholics now.
To: robertpaulsen
Well put. Your link got broken. The post containing quotes in support of your beliefs was Msg#60.
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posted on
02/24/2005 8:16:07 AM PST
by
steve-b
(A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
To: elfman2
You waste your time reasoning with the dope heads. To them everyone else is a "Drug Warrior" or a lover of the same.
Police are all jackbooted, and even though Ronald Reagen wouldn't give them time of day they believe they think along the same lines.
And don't let names like Patriot or True Conservative fool you, it always boils down to Cops arresting them for Breaking the law aka Their Right to Keep and Bear Pot.
To: conservativecorner
and as long as they want to prevent any drilling on American soil, and force a 4 buck a gallon tax on gasoline, count me out too.
the other prob with libs, is they are so anti-business. if you think you have trouble running your business now, wait till the Nader types get in there and really start to put the vice on your nuts.
To: steve-b
Here is a society which does precisly what some on this thread are advocating. These people all concider themselves to be "moral" and insist that most of the other citizens are not.
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posted on
02/24/2005 8:23:27 AM PST
by
Protagoras
(Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
To: New Orleans Slim
That makes you a big government supporter. The "war on drugs" has eroded the 4th Amendment, lead to rampant government spending, and limits personal liberty. Moreover, the black market in drugs leads to a spike in real crime associated with that market. If people want to get high, just let them. Do you want to ban alcohol next? Alcohol is a recreational drug, so I guess you want to interfere with my 23rd Amendment rights? You are anti-constitution!Robert Bork calls this position radical Individualism and rightly calls it a rot on true liberty. Read Slouching Toward Gomorra.
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posted on
02/24/2005 8:27:12 AM PST
by
frgoff
To: DainBramage
You waste your time reasoning with the dope heads. Please name the ones you are referring to.
Also, please give a detailed list of the government forbidden substances you have consumed in your life. It's important to be consistent on who has and has not used drugs. Thank you.
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posted on
02/24/2005 8:27:15 AM PST
by
Protagoras
(Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
To: frgoff
Er... yeah. Because the Founders didn't believe in the soviergn individual or anything right? I mean, that whole "We the People" thing wasn't referring to INDIVIDUALs now was it?
93
posted on
02/24/2005 8:30:01 AM PST
by
Dead Corpse
(The neighborhood is pretty dead at night, and I'm the one to blame....)
To: robertpaulsen
Oh yeah. Our society makes societal pariahs, all right. Mostly Christians and those who favor a moral society. Those are the societal pariahs. So since Christians appear to be losing the culture war, you'd prefer for your beliefs to be enforced by the government at gunpoint?
To: jsmith48
Completly untrue. Libertarians simply believe that forcing others to believe as they do through coersion is wrong.A factually false statement. Liberatarians are for legalizing drugs. That is forcing others (me) to believe as they do through coercion.
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posted on
02/24/2005 8:30:25 AM PST
by
frgoff
To: jsmith48
They need to infiltrate the Republican party and move it farther right, and they need to learn how to play politics.Well said. The "Pot Platform" has forever tainted the Party.
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posted on
02/24/2005 8:32:03 AM PST
by
numberonepal
(Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
To: frgoff
A factually false statement. Liberatarians are for legalizing drugs. That is forcing others (me) to believe as they do through coercion.One of the most bizarre of all the posts. Kevvie boy,,is that you?
97
posted on
02/24/2005 8:34:21 AM PST
by
Protagoras
(Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
To: Protagoras
Right, and heres the inevitable degeneration of libertarian anarchy taken to the extreme.
Both those pictures are evident of small minds.
98
posted on
02/24/2005 8:35:34 AM PST
by
elfman2
(Not paid to be PC)
To: A Ruckus of Dogs
I agree. If they've completed their sentence, then their debt to society is paid and their rights should be re-instated.How about this?
If after some aribrary amount of time (say 5 or 10 years) after their sentence is completed they are allowed to vote.
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posted on
02/24/2005 8:37:55 AM PST
by
numberonepal
(Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
To: antiRepublicrat
So since Christians appear to be losing the culture war, you'd prefer for your beliefs to be enforced by the government at gunpoint? This is the goal.
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posted on
02/24/2005 8:37:55 AM PST
by
Protagoras
(Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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