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EU urges Bush to adopt Kerry line on Iran
Financial Times ^ | October 1, 2004 | Guy Dinmore

Posted on 10/01/2004 7:56:50 PM PDT by AKSurprise

"European governments are lobbying the Bush administration to change course over Iran before next month's presidential election, urging Washington to adopt an incentive-driven policy that Senator John Kerry has already pledged, according to diplomats and US politicians."

"According to unnamed diplomats and a Kerry adviser, senior officials from Germany and the Netherlands - which currently holds the European Union presidency - had high-level meetings on Iran with both the White House and the Kerry camp in recent days.

"The European message was that we cannot let weeks pass before the next deadline without doing something," one diplomat said. "We need a last-ditch approach, not more pressure, but a mix with a package and incentives."

Several sources said the White House officials responded with considerable scepticism to the European initiative"

""Kerry and the European positions are close in a number of ways," said Robert Einhorn, a proliferation expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies who has been involved in the discussions over Iran.

The European proposal would offer Iran guaranteed and closely monitored supplies of nuclear fuel for its civilian reactors in exchange for an end to Iran's development of the full fuel cycle - specifically the enrichment of uranium that can be used to make nuclear weapons."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: france; germany; iran; iraniansanctions; kerryiran; nuclear; proliferation; uk; uranium
What the hell are the Euro's doing talking to the Kerry camp at all, they have no sway or role in foreign policy. The Europeans need to talk to the government of the United States, namely the Bush Administration. They should mind their own damn business.

Additionally Bush will never agree with the ludicrious idea to give Iran uranium that Kerry suggested last night. Yeah that's really going to help to stop Iran from creating nuclear weapons... That move would only accelerate the Iranians nuclear weapons program and ensure they gain WMD's. This is the same failed moronic policy of the Clinton administration that allowed North Korea to build nuclear weapons.

1 posted on 10/01/2004 7:56:50 PM PDT by AKSurprise
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To: AKSurprise
In a word...NO!.

In two words...HELL NO!

2 posted on 10/01/2004 7:58:44 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: AKSurprise

HAHA the Euros are trying to sink Kerry too!!!!


They had to know this would get out. Havent the Euros figured out that in general terms whatever they want, a majority of Americans will instantly oppose?


3 posted on 10/01/2004 7:59:05 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Proud to be a Computer hack in Iraq!!!!! GO W!!!!)
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To: AKSurprise

"""Kerry and the European positions are close in a number of ways," "


Yeah, for one theyll both fail


4 posted on 10/01/2004 7:59:16 PM PDT by OhGeorgia
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To: AKSurprise
..urging Washington to adopt an incentive-driven policy that Senator John Kerry has already pledged..

I'll bet they do.

Is there any doubt in anybody's mind who's interests are in jeopardy here?

5 posted on 10/01/2004 8:00:15 PM PDT by evad (If it's in America's interests, it won't pass JF'nK's global test)
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Yet more proof that what the President is doing is THE RIGHT THING!


6 posted on 10/01/2004 8:01:01 PM PDT by oolatec
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To: AKSurprise
"European governments are lobbying the Bush administration to change course
over Iran before next month's presidential election, urging Washington to adopt
an incentive-driven policy that Senator John Kerry has already pledged,
according to diplomats and US politicians."


"An Incentive-Driven Policy"

Wasn't that Neville Chamberlin's policy some years back?
7 posted on 10/01/2004 8:01:13 PM PDT by VOA
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To: AKSurprise
We can trust the Iranians as much as we can trust Kerry.
8 posted on 10/01/2004 8:02:02 PM PDT by MidlandDesperado
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To: AKSurprise

I am really torn. Do they understand what they are doing, or not? Are the Europeans evil or stupid?


9 posted on 10/01/2004 8:02:05 PM PDT by blanknoone (Red + Yellow = Orange)
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To: VOA

The Europeans are nothing but cheese-eating surrender monkeys!!


10 posted on 10/01/2004 8:02:19 PM PDT by BigKahuna
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To: VOA

"An Incentive-Driven Policy"

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That would be giving Iran nuclear fuel like Clinton did north korea. wouldnt it? N. Korea broke its agreement and built a bomb anyways, didnt they?


11 posted on 10/01/2004 8:04:01 PM PDT by BoBToMatoE
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To: AKSurprise
Are the Europeans delusional, duplicitous or stupid? The idea that the Iranians have spent billions of dollars recruiting and training scientists and techs, building very extensive manufacturing facilities to design and produce nuclear weapons and long range missiles just as a ploy to get some free nuclear fuel is absurd. They want nukes and they're playing the Europeans against us to buy time until they can make the grand announcement they are a nuclear power.

We're down to 2 options take out their facilities with our military (if it is possible) or accept the fact they have nukes and put them on notice that any nuclear attack against our country or our forces (even from a terrorist group like Al Queda) will unleash a nuclear nightmare on Iran that makes Hiroshima look like a firecracker.
12 posted on 10/01/2004 8:05:47 PM PDT by DHerion
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To: MikeinIraq

Following what the "euros" want is difficult since they have a two tier system. National interests and the "EU" level. Kind of like Iran itself.

"EU" wants Iranian contracts.


13 posted on 10/01/2004 8:07:24 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: DHerion
Are the Europeans delusional, duplicitous or stupid?

They want to make money.

14 posted on 10/01/2004 8:07:59 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy

Iran is a bit weird sometimes....


15 posted on 10/01/2004 8:08:42 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Proud to be a Computer hack in Iraq!!!!! GO W!!!!)
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To: MikeinIraq; Shermy

I forgot the LOL /sarcasm at the end of that...


Iran sucks. I really sincerely hope they are next. They deserve it the bastards....


16 posted on 10/01/2004 8:09:50 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Proud to be a Computer hack in Iraq!!!!! GO W!!!!)
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To: Shermy

Same reason they want to end weapons sales sanctions on China, they are greedy and don't care who they hurt or what danger they bring to the world. Business is more important to them than are security and morals.


17 posted on 10/01/2004 8:09:53 PM PDT by AKSurprise
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To: AKSurprise

Yes- "give" the Iranians nuclear fuel. They need to generate "power"...

And have the IAEA "monitor" its use (Hans Blix is needing a job anyway, and he held this same job in oversight of North Korea...)

In exchange for Iranian "promises" to not enrich it for weapons!

The "North Korean" solution! Which has worked so well.


18 posted on 10/01/2004 8:10:58 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: DHerion

Are the Europeans delusional, duplicitous or stupid?


Yes, yes and yes....


19 posted on 10/01/2004 8:11:09 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Proud to be a Computer hack in Iraq!!!!! GO W!!!!)
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To: AKSurprise
"...the Kerry line."

Also known as the Kim Jung Il Method for getting A-bombs from stupid Americans."

20 posted on 10/01/2004 8:15:02 PM PDT by cookcounty (Kerry: He began by trashing the VN Vets. He ends by trashing the NG. Such class is rarely seen.)
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To: AKSurprise
Several sources said the White House officials responded with considerable scepticism to the European initiative"

TRANSLATION: Go F' yerselves.

21 posted on 10/01/2004 8:15:08 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: AKSurprise

Screw Europe


22 posted on 10/01/2004 8:17:40 PM PDT by Lancer_N3502A
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To: AKSurprise

If Bush is losing, why would they be lobbying Bush to enact changes that Kerry will put into place shortly? Hmm?


23 posted on 10/01/2004 8:21:49 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: AKSurprise

Robert Einhorn- Klintonista "proliferation expert"- an idiot.

An interesting tap dance he did in 1997 regarding the same Klintonista bilateral "carrot-and-stick" negotiations with North Korea that he is now advancing as the enlightened approach toward Iran of Kerry and the EEE-UUUU..
http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/congress/1997_h/s971021e.htm


24 posted on 10/01/2004 8:22:27 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: silverleaf

OOOPs- I said carrot and stick negotiations. Actually, there is no stick.


25 posted on 10/01/2004 8:23:43 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: MikeinIraq

Just plain NO!


26 posted on 10/01/2004 8:26:18 PM PDT by jocko12
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To: AKSurprise

27 posted on 10/01/2004 8:30:23 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Jeff Head
Once again, Kerry has been proven to be a follower, not a leader. This idea that Kerry floated as his own last night was really the EU's plan.

20 years in the Senate without authoring any significant legislation also proves Kerry is a follower, not a leader.

28 posted on 10/01/2004 8:31:06 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: Jeff Head

Infact, let's go further than that. It's beginning to look like Kerry's claim of gaining cooperation from the rest of the world is really the other way 'round. It looks more like Kerry would be doing the world's bidding and claiming all the ideas were his.


29 posted on 10/01/2004 8:32:52 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: AKSurprise

Yes, stop proleferation and give IRAN nuke material. Kerry is dangerous to America


30 posted on 10/01/2004 8:34:39 PM PDT by madison46 (Bandwagon was full when it left the gate - I hope it remains too full for frogs & co.)
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To: AKSurprise

Screw them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


31 posted on 10/01/2004 8:34:40 PM PDT by Fast1 (Mullah Kerry for an Islamic America..)
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To: AKSurprise

"The European proposal would offer Iran guaranteed and closely monitored supplies of nuclear fuel for its civilian reactors in exchange for an end to Iran's development of the full fuel cycle - specifically the enrichment of uranium that can be used to make nuclear weapons."

No mentally competent human being would believe for a nanosecond that this could work. Not even Eurotrash.

Kerry is clearly in bed with the corrupt leaders of the EU, as this proposal can only exist to line some pockets with big big money.




32 posted on 10/01/2004 8:35:26 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: AKSurprise

Obviously the French, Germans and Russians have a buttload of money to make still.


33 posted on 10/01/2004 8:45:21 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (What did Kerry know and when did he know it?)
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To: AKSurprise
the more/louder the euroTRASH squeals/whines/moans the more i love President Bush!!!
34 posted on 10/01/2004 8:46:36 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: AKSurprise

This is pretty wild. Has anyone ever heard of a presidential candidate or his representatives holding private talks with a foriegn agency?


35 posted on 10/01/2004 9:24:59 PM PDT by whershey (www.worldwar4.net)
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To: AKSurprise
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36 posted on 10/02/2004 8:33:15 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: AKSurprise

They want GWB to "Flip Flop" and sound like the infomercial slickster Kerry! Seems Clinton tried this neuclear fuel BS with NK. Guess the Frogs and their Treaty of Versailles mentality and the EU with a Chamberlain mentality want this. What CRAP! Negotiate with the Government of the US, stop trying to get involved in a political campaign.


37 posted on 10/02/2004 9:03:40 PM PDT by Henchman (Kerry lied, good men died!)
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To: whershey
"This is pretty wild. Has anyone ever heard of a presidential candidate or his representatives holding private talks with a foreign agency?" YEAH! Kerry and the VC! Just that Kerry was the unannounced Kennedy puppet. Kerry is and has been a surrogate for the MASS. murderer of Chappaquiddick. Fat Teddy lacks the guts to run himself. At least Fat Ted's brothers weren't cowards!
38 posted on 10/02/2004 9:08:30 PM PDT by Henchman (Kerry lied, good men died!)
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To: Jeff Head

Europe's best hope for restoring world influence and past greatness is to build cultural and strategic alliances with Arabic countries, forming "Eurabia." In that scenario, Israel and America become its adversaries.

So, in sum, the answer to EU's request is: "EFFIN NEVER."


39 posted on 10/02/2004 9:12:41 PM PDT by Tax Government (Please visit and join STOMP, http://stomp4victory.org/stompcontents/join)
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To: AKSurprise

SHOVE IT !!!!!


40 posted on 10/02/2004 9:54:20 PM PDT by saxxa (FIRE-FIGHTER FOR PRESIDENT BUSH)
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To: AKSurprise

Kerry's North Korean statements were frightening. And how could he stand there and LIE that Preisent Bush was responsible after it was policy implemented by Clinton & half-bright?


41 posted on 10/02/2004 9:57:03 PM PDT by Libertina (10 Little Lying MSM Networks. CBS went down, and soon there'll be none!)
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To: AKSurprise
"According to unnamed diplomats and a Kerry adviser....

'Nuff said.

42 posted on 10/02/2004 10:07:38 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (Please don't put me on your ping list just because I replied to one of your posts. Thank you.)
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To: AKSurprise

I'm sorry but I stopped reading after..

"According to unnamed diplomats and a Kerry adviser"

Let's get some rest. I have a feeling that there are going to be some really, REALLY long lines to stand in Nov.2.


43 posted on 10/02/2004 10:13:57 PM PDT by ElephantinTexas (Republican ladies are the fairest of them all!)
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To: AKSurprise

Let me see if I understand this.

Hey Iran, If you promise not to kill us, we will give you the stuff to kill us with.

???????????????????

Hey North Korea, if we give you food and fuel oil, you promise not to make any nuclear bombs.

???????????????????

How stupid are we?


44 posted on 10/02/2004 10:33:55 PM PDT by A Real Dan Fan... NOT (Profanity is the linguistic crutch of the inarticulate sumbitch.)
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To: AKSurprise

How nice of the Euros to want to speed up the process. Iran gets to irradiate the fuel rods faster. They won't have to fabricate and enrich their own fuel. Note this assumes they'll be allowed to operate a reactor. Then once the fuel is removed, Iran can reprocess the fue rods much sooner to extract the plutonium. That should save them a year or so.

Once they have a nuclear bomb, it's a different game. There's no going back.


45 posted on 10/03/2004 11:24:47 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: AKSurprise
they are greedy and don't care who they hurt or what danger they bring to the world. Business is more important to them than are security and morals.

They cannot afford the socialist frankenstein they have created, and they do not have the political will or vision to kill the beast. Faced with certain defeat in the near future because their system is bankrupt, or the possibility that Israel or the US will get nuked in the future but will allow a short term benefit to the current ruling elite, is obviously a no-brainer for those short sighted fools.

Perhaps they should pause to consider the Madrid bombing and that they are a heck of a lot closer to Tehran than we are.

46 posted on 10/03/2004 12:47:21 PM PDT by lafroste (gravity is not a force, dangit)
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