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Dan Rather to Discuss Document Authenticity
Drudge Report ^ | September 10, 2004

Posted on 09/10/2004 1:49:38 PM PDT by RWR8189

CBS EVENING NEWS WITH DAN RATHER to address, in detail, the issues surrounding the authenticity of the documents broadcast in the 60 MINUTES report on President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard... Developing...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; blather; cbslies; danrather; drudge; forged; forgeddocuments; forgery; killian; mediabias; medialies; napalminthemorning; rather; rathergate; selectricgate; sitzpinklerrather; whatliberalmedia
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To: Crazieman

Well, Rather says the documents are "authentic"...what does that really mean??? All depends on what the definition of "is" is....here we go again.

Is there any reason why CBS could not be sued for liable, given their public assertion that they obtained the documents and know the source and they are not disclosing it?? Could they not be FORCED to provide that information in a court of law??? And what will the Bush administration's comments be about this????


101 posted on 09/10/2004 2:19:33 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: dawn53

Seriously, there was something nasty about that whole thing too.

I am still undecided on Abu Ghraib, but Memo thing is so plainly, obviously bogus. Even ABC and the Washington Post knows it.


102 posted on 09/10/2004 2:20:00 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: toomanygrasshoppers
"I'm sure he will say "We stand behind our documents and our sources...blah blah blah" and then he will say that their sources are confidential and that 'you just have to trust us on this one' "


Agreed. After all, no one should question the "Great and Wonderful Dan".
Isn't this the equivalent of "don't you know who I am!"
103 posted on 09/10/2004 2:20:02 PM PDT by golfboy (character is doing what is right, when no one is looking)
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To: Howlin
I think this is it: http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc10.gif

The problem with that argument about the superscript is that I don't think that's the same font as the Killian memos. That document definitely looks typewritten, while the Killian ones don't.

104 posted on 09/10/2004 2:21:07 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: RWR8189
Dan Rather to Discuss Document Authenticity

With who? The Federal Prosecutor for the Southern District of NY?

105 posted on 09/10/2004 2:22:26 PM PDT by montag813 (ue)
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To: RWR8189

At the risk of repeating someone, Rather's discussion about the authenticity of the documents ought to take all of 2 seconds. He can simply say, "They weren't."


106 posted on 09/10/2004 2:23:12 PM PDT by MarDav
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To: DaveMSmith

Bwwaahhhhhh! ROFL!


108 posted on 09/10/2004 2:24:01 PM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: RWR8189

What time is it on? Anybody?


109 posted on 09/10/2004 2:24:23 PM PDT by OneTimeLurker
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To: Pontious

Whatever dude, smoke another


110 posted on 09/10/2004 2:24:46 PM PDT by MMkennedy
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To: HardStarboard
I wrote them an e-mail demanding that they fire Rather

I heard that based on an email from someone calling themselves "HardStarboard," CBS plans to fire Dan Rather - way to go!

111 posted on 09/10/2004 2:25:11 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: RWR8189

Dan - what's that there stain what's on yer blue dress... Ah think ya dun bin caught...


112 posted on 09/10/2004 2:25:30 PM PDT by badgerlandjim (Hillary Clinton is to politics as Helen Thomas is to beauty)
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To: RWR8189

What time does this come on. It has been so long since I watched this tripe I forgot.


113 posted on 09/10/2004 2:25:36 PM PDT by Nov3 (They knifed babies, They raped girls, They forced children to drink their own urine)
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To: Pontious

Has not addressed issues raised by forged documents? A troll with serious logic problems.


114 posted on 09/10/2004 2:26:31 PM PDT by don'tbedenied
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To: pompelmous

I've seen one doc and it's pretty suspicious.

There are several "th"'s all normal. But one particulary blurred one on the same document shows a small "th", but it looks to me like it's been whited out and the small "th" written in.

Pretty weird that it's the only "th" on the page and is different from all the other "th"s on the page.


115 posted on 09/10/2004 2:26:37 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: SittinYonder
Rather's secret weapon? The lost memo:


116 posted on 09/10/2004 2:26:43 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: EagleUSA

"Well, Rather says the documents are "authentic"...what does that really mean??? All depends on what the definition of "is" is....here we go again. "

They are authentic documents... the authenthically forged kind.


117 posted on 09/10/2004 2:27:06 PM PDT by Kirkwood (I think, therefore I am Republican!)
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To: EagleUSA
Is there any reason why CBS could not be sued for liable, given their public assertion that they obtained the documents and know the source and they are not disclosing it?? Could they not be FORCED to provide that information in a court of law??? And what will the Bush administration's comments be about this????

While I understand sometimes reporters have sources that don't want to be known what could be the reason here? Were the documents obtained legally or stolen, where did they get them and when, who else has seen or heard of them and when? why did they wait until now to bring them up and not in 2000 or before?...the source needs to be on TV or the docs should not have been presented as genuine.

CBS also needs to have the family's point of view presented as they are the closest living relatives of the alleged author of the docs.

Rather is a fool and their is no fool like an old fool. He thinks the titanic will close its watertight doors and sail away like it didn't hit an iceberg, it will sink sooner or later hopefully taking him with it..

118 posted on 09/10/2004 2:27:47 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: NYCVirago

Yeah, that's the one I saw and there's only one "th" in superscript on the page...all the other "th"s are normal size.


119 posted on 09/10/2004 2:28:23 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: RWR8189

Humble predictions...

Rather will focus on the superscript "TH" and identify a typewriter of the time that could do it, ignoring whether or not a National Guard base would have such a machine. He'll also discuss how other machines of the time could support some of the other features that have come under scrutiny, but not discuss why somebody at the NG would go to such lengths to use features that were complex at the time.

He will complete ignore the issue of kerning, which seems to be the most damning.

He'll protect his sources and refuse to discuss where he got the memo and who his "experts" are who confirmed authenticity.

He'll drop a hint that this is all another VRWC.


120 posted on 09/10/2004 2:28:55 PM PDT by Akira (Experience is a hard teacher, but fools will have no other.)
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To: All

Hello everyone!Just got in from work.Can someone tell me briefly what has happened today?


121 posted on 09/10/2004 2:29:02 PM PDT by tapatio (Society is always taken by surprise at any new example of common sense.)
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To: Pontious

Asswipe, even if the documents WERE true,which they're not, President Bush's actions didn't cause POWs in Vietnam to undergo torture,unlike scum of the earth Kerry's. You tell me what's worse,not showing up for a physical,or giving aid and comfort to the enemy knowing that it will lead to the torture of your fellow soldiers? What a fat slimey slug you are,now get off FR and quit leaving slime trails all over the place.


122 posted on 09/10/2004 2:29:05 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: ntryerson

Too bad--I'm going to be at my son's soccer practice.

Details everyone? (I know y'all won't disappoint me! ;) )


123 posted on 09/10/2004 2:29:23 PM PDT by vrwcagent0498 (Be afraid, Hillary. Be very afraid. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!)
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To: go star go; All

yesterday there was a story about paper size and 8/12x11 for commerical paper and 8/12x10.5 for the government. did this prove to be correct?


124 posted on 09/10/2004 2:29:40 PM PDT by q_an_a
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To: Steven W.
There's just no other way to counter this major disinformation offensive at CBS.

If we don't hurt these sponsors really badly and soon, Rather could get by with this deception.

And if he did, we would have nobody but ourselves to blame.

Contact Info For CBS Sponsors: It's Now Or Never, Do Or Die!

This is our moment of truth. We either step up to the plate or wimp out. I not only take a printout of products to boycott when I go shopping (I keep it in the car) but I also return any of those products I've already bought and demand a refund.

Free Republic is an expensive tool and it's not just for yammering at eachother. It's intended also as a conservative activist website so let's get activist now!

125 posted on 09/10/2004 2:30:24 PM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: All

I nominate Howlin to be the Freepers one nationwide representative to tune in and watch that channel and report back to us. I won't watch.


126 posted on 09/10/2004 2:31:13 PM PDT by spyone (Haven't)
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To: Akira

He'll say the Bush White House/ Karl Rove is behind it.

Anyone got a bet pool going? :)


127 posted on 09/10/2004 2:31:39 PM PDT by vrwcagent0498 (Be afraid, Hillary. Be very afraid. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!)
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To: RWR8189
COURAGE
128 posted on 09/10/2004 2:32:02 PM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (--Your message could post here--)
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To: RWR8189
If the memos could be reproduced on a 1972 vintage typewriter they would have been buy now. The media would be waving them in our faces saying SEEEE...

The thought of hundreds of liberal drones sitting at vintage typewriters trying to get everything lined up makes me giggle and do the happy dance.
129 posted on 09/10/2004 2:33:09 PM PDT by Gomez
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To: Williams

If that's all he's got, he's dead.


130 posted on 09/10/2004 2:36:05 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Gomez

LOL.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall at the DNC or CBS News right now.


131 posted on 09/10/2004 2:36:35 PM PDT by vrwcagent0498 (Be afraid, Hillary. Be very afraid. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!)
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To: BJungNan
Only the very top of the line IBM machines, that were quite expensive and were not used by any field units in the US Military, could have done this. And it would have involved the following steps, even in an office which had such a machine:

1. Type up to the point where the "st" or "nd" or "rd" or "th" appeared after a typed number. Roll the platen up half way. (Normally that would be 6 points, but these documents are 13 pitch, which was not available on any machine in the 70s.)

2. Remove the type ball and insert another one with a smaller type face on it. Type the "st" or whatever follows the number in question. Then roll the platen back to normal.

3. Continue with the typing until the next number with following letters, crops up. Repeat steps 1 - 3 until the document is finished.

All this assumes that Lt. Col. Killiam could type his own memos in addition to having access to such a specialized machine and the extra typing ball. Killian's widow, and his son who followed him in the Guard and retired as Captain, asset that Killian did not type. The standard practice is that the typist puts his/her initials at the end of the document -- to identify who made the mistakes, if mistakes were made.

Here's the format for that in civilian life: JCA/kh The first initials are the person who wrote the letter, the second are the typist. IIRD, the military standard then was to reverse the order and use a colon: kh:JCA Since no initials appear, either Killian typed these himself, or the typist used did not follow the rules, or these documents are forgeries. There are no other options.

Congressman Billybob / John C. Armor

132 posted on 09/10/2004 2:36:49 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Visit: www.ArmorforCongress.com please.)
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To: GRANGER

"The docs are Times New Roman, a copyrighted font first published in 1988"

Try 1931. Mis-statements don't advance our case.


133 posted on 09/10/2004 2:37:42 PM PDT by mdefranc
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To: RWR8189
I bet he doesn't show "Courage".... blame someone else...
134 posted on 09/10/2004 2:37:47 PM PDT by Mannaggia l'America
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To: Congressman Billybob

Very much appreciate the explanation. I'm sure others will also. Best Regards, BJN


135 posted on 09/10/2004 2:39:22 PM PDT by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Do NOT buy from junk email.)
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To: RWR8189

It's been so long since I watched anything on CBS that I'll have to check the channel listings (or maybe the frequency).


136 posted on 09/10/2004 2:39:53 PM PDT by Bahbah
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To: vbmoneyspender

Can the RNC press charges against Rather and CBS?


137 posted on 09/10/2004 2:40:44 PM PDT by patriciamary
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To: Howlin
Odd that, of all the ordinals in the form, only one is written as a superscript.

Also note, with interest, that:

1. The first ordinal is not only superscripted, it's underlined.

2. It's obviously a typewritten, rather than word processed, piece. Note the "jumpy" letters in TRNG...

3. It's obviously a monospace typewriter, anyway, so how is it relevant to the matter at hand?

138 posted on 09/10/2004 2:41:13 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Killians son say they were ignored by CBS..They warned them to no avail that they sounded wrong..gave them ex Guard members who served with Bush to contact.


139 posted on 09/10/2004 2:41:23 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: RWR8189

If the documents were produced on a typewriter, each letter should show the same wear markings from the metal type - same as a fired bullet or fingerprints. Should be simple enough to check with a kid's microscope. Hey, Dan - add in another $100 to next year's budget for a scope.


140 posted on 09/10/2004 2:41:38 PM PDT by badgerlandjim (Hillary Clinton is to politics as Helen Thomas is to beauty)
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To: Constitution Day
This Mapes broad is one unethical POS if just half of what some who have directly spoken with her is true.

CBS would be well servrd by folding up the 60 Minutes tent and reformatting.

The modern information mix is not kind to juggernauts with a history of abusing the editorial process, spitting it back out as news.

141 posted on 09/10/2004 2:42:38 PM PDT by blackdog (Illegitumi non carborundum)
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To: Gomez
The thought of hundreds of liberal drones sitting at vintage typewriters trying to get everything lined up makes me giggle and do the happy dance.

They already are. This was posted last night / this morning on freerepublic. It's from democrats.com:

[begin quoting]

"Are the Killian Memos a Forgery? Help Us Learn the Truth The media is buzzing with the possibility that the Killian memos broadcast on 60 Minutes are forgeries. The truth hangs on whether any commonly-used typewriters in the 60's-70's had proportional spacing and superscripts. If you HAVE a typewriter like that (perhaps an IBM Executive Electric like http://www.etypewriters.com/1954-b-2.JPG), please type out a replica of Killian's first memo and see if your typewriter matches his. If it does, tell us about it in Bob Fertik's blog.

[end quote] (emphasis supplied)

democrats.com, about halfway down the page, in the middle column.
142 posted on 09/10/2004 2:43:02 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko (Oh, and Dick Cheney too.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
Because I say so and I'm Dan Rather......

Well, I'm sold!

143 posted on 09/10/2004 2:44:18 PM PDT by blackdog (Illegitumi non carborundum)
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To: Dems_R_Losers
Remember when Howard Beale went mad on the air in the classic, Network? First, he announced he was going to commit suicide on the air, live. The audience went through the roof. Rather doesn't have the courage to commit actual suicide, but he may have a metaphysical suicide in mind.

Congressman Billybob

144 posted on 09/10/2004 2:44:58 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Visit: www.ArmorforCongress.com please.)
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To: Made in USA

"I never had forgery with those documents, not once" -Dan Rather


145 posted on 09/10/2004 2:45:26 PM PDT by blackdog (Illegitumi non carborundum)
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To: Mike Fieschko

About 10 minutes in, Dan will tell about how this story was given the same level of scrutiny that all other stories at CBS receive. He will say he knows nothing that would change the story, but if he finds something he will be sure to let us all know.


146 posted on 09/10/2004 2:45:38 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye ((Kerry is a flake))
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To: blackdog; Nick Danger
Because I say so and I'm Dan Rather......

Well, I'm sold!


'I never lie. And I'm always right.'
147 posted on 09/10/2004 2:46:28 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko (Oh, and Dick Cheney too.)
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To: vrwcagent0498

"LOL.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall at the DNC or CBS News right now."


What do you mean by "or"? If you are at one then you are at the o[sup]th[/sup]er.



148 posted on 09/10/2004 2:46:31 PM PDT by OkiMusashi (Beware the fury of a patient man. --- John Dryden)
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To: All

It's not enough to find a document from the era with the "th" superscript. There may well have been some even many typewriters capable of printing the "th" superscript in 1968. But the question is, were there any typewriters capable of printing the "th" superscript within the limited universe of machines that could also have produced the document in question? Thus pointing to a document with courier font for example and a superscripted 'th' will prove nothing whatsoever because the document in question was typed by a machine within a completely different category of typewriters.

Am I a typewriting expert? NO, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.


149 posted on 09/10/2004 2:46:49 PM PDT by MMkennedy
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To: RWR8189

150 posted on 09/10/2004 2:50:09 PM PDT by UnklGene
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