Skip to comments.Dan Rather to Discuss Document Authenticity
Posted on 09/10/2004 1:49:38 PM PDT by RWR8189
CBS EVENING NEWS WITH DAN RATHER to address, in detail, the issues surrounding the authenticity of the documents broadcast in the 60 MINUTES report on President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard... Developing...
Well, Rather says the documents are "authentic"...what does that really mean??? All depends on what the definition of "is" is....here we go again.
Is there any reason why CBS could not be sued for liable, given their public assertion that they obtained the documents and know the source and they are not disclosing it?? Could they not be FORCED to provide that information in a court of law??? And what will the Bush administration's comments be about this????
Seriously, there was something nasty about that whole thing too.
I am still undecided on Abu Ghraib, but Memo thing is so plainly, obviously bogus. Even ABC and the Washington Post knows it.
The problem with that argument about the superscript is that I don't think that's the same font as the Killian memos. That document definitely looks typewritten, while the Killian ones don't.
With who? The Federal Prosecutor for the Southern District of NY?
At the risk of repeating someone, Rather's discussion about the authenticity of the documents ought to take all of 2 seconds. He can simply say, "They weren't."
What time is it on? Anybody?
Whatever dude, smoke another
I heard that based on an email from someone calling themselves "HardStarboard," CBS plans to fire Dan Rather - way to go!
Dan - what's that there stain what's on yer blue dress... Ah think ya dun bin caught...
What time does this come on. It has been so long since I watched this tripe I forgot.
Has not addressed issues raised by forged documents? A troll with serious logic problems.
I've seen one doc and it's pretty suspicious.
There are several "th"'s all normal. But one particulary blurred one on the same document shows a small "th", but it looks to me like it's been whited out and the small "th" written in.
Pretty weird that it's the only "th" on the page and is different from all the other "th"s on the page.
"Well, Rather says the documents are "authentic"...what does that really mean??? All depends on what the definition of "is" is....here we go again. "
They are authentic documents... the authenthically forged kind.
While I understand sometimes reporters have sources that don't want to be known what could be the reason here? Were the documents obtained legally or stolen, where did they get them and when, who else has seen or heard of them and when? why did they wait until now to bring them up and not in 2000 or before?...the source needs to be on TV or the docs should not have been presented as genuine.
CBS also needs to have the family's point of view presented as they are the closest living relatives of the alleged author of the docs.
Rather is a fool and their is no fool like an old fool. He thinks the titanic will close its watertight doors and sail away like it didn't hit an iceberg, it will sink sooner or later hopefully taking him with it..
Yeah, that's the one I saw and there's only one "th" in superscript on the page...all the other "th"s are normal size.
Rather will focus on the superscript "TH" and identify a typewriter of the time that could do it, ignoring whether or not a National Guard base would have such a machine. He'll also discuss how other machines of the time could support some of the other features that have come under scrutiny, but not discuss why somebody at the NG would go to such lengths to use features that were complex at the time.
He will complete ignore the issue of kerning, which seems to be the most damning.
He'll protect his sources and refuse to discuss where he got the memo and who his "experts" are who confirmed authenticity.
He'll drop a hint that this is all another VRWC.
Hello everyone!Just got in from work.Can someone tell me briefly what has happened today?
Asswipe, even if the documents WERE true,which they're not, President Bush's actions didn't cause POWs in Vietnam to undergo torture,unlike scum of the earth Kerry's. You tell me what's worse,not showing up for a physical,or giving aid and comfort to the enemy knowing that it will lead to the torture of your fellow soldiers? What a fat slimey slug you are,now get off FR and quit leaving slime trails all over the place.
Too bad--I'm going to be at my son's soccer practice.
Details everyone? (I know y'all won't disappoint me! ;) )
yesterday there was a story about paper size and 8/12x11 for commerical paper and 8/12x10.5 for the government. did this prove to be correct?
If we don't hurt these sponsors really badly and soon, Rather could get by with this deception.
And if he did, we would have nobody but ourselves to blame.
This is our moment of truth. We either step up to the plate or wimp out. I not only take a printout of products to boycott when I go shopping (I keep it in the car) but I also return any of those products I've already bought and demand a refund.
Free Republic is an expensive tool and it's not just for yammering at eachother. It's intended also as a conservative activist website so let's get activist now!
I nominate Howlin to be the Freepers one nationwide representative to tune in and watch that channel and report back to us. I won't watch.
He'll say the Bush White House/ Karl Rove is behind it.
Anyone got a bet pool going? :)
If that's all he's got, he's dead.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall at the DNC or CBS News right now.
1. Type up to the point where the "st" or "nd" or "rd" or "th" appeared after a typed number. Roll the platen up half way. (Normally that would be 6 points, but these documents are 13 pitch, which was not available on any machine in the 70s.)
2. Remove the type ball and insert another one with a smaller type face on it. Type the "st" or whatever follows the number in question. Then roll the platen back to normal.
3. Continue with the typing until the next number with following letters, crops up. Repeat steps 1 - 3 until the document is finished.
All this assumes that Lt. Col. Killiam could type his own memos in addition to having access to such a specialized machine and the extra typing ball. Killian's widow, and his son who followed him in the Guard and retired as Captain, asset that Killian did not type. The standard practice is that the typist puts his/her initials at the end of the document -- to identify who made the mistakes, if mistakes were made.
Here's the format for that in civilian life: JCA/kh The first initials are the person who wrote the letter, the second are the typist. IIRD, the military standard then was to reverse the order and use a colon: kh:JCA Since no initials appear, either Killian typed these himself, or the typist used did not follow the rules, or these documents are forgeries. There are no other options.
Congressman Billybob / John C. Armor
"The docs are Times New Roman, a copyrighted font first published in 1988"
Try 1931. Mis-statements don't advance our case.
Very much appreciate the explanation. I'm sure others will also. Best Regards, BJN
It's been so long since I watched anything on CBS that I'll have to check the channel listings (or maybe the frequency).
Can the RNC press charges against Rather and CBS?
Also note, with interest, that:
1. The first ordinal is not only superscripted, it's underlined.
2. It's obviously a typewritten, rather than word processed, piece. Note the "jumpy" letters in TRNG...
3. It's obviously a monospace typewriter, anyway, so how is it relevant to the matter at hand?
Killians son say they were ignored by CBS..They warned them to no avail that they sounded wrong..gave them ex Guard members who served with Bush to contact.
If the documents were produced on a typewriter, each letter should show the same wear markings from the metal type - same as a fired bullet or fingerprints. Should be simple enough to check with a kid's microscope. Hey, Dan - add in another $100 to next year's budget for a scope.
CBS would be well servrd by folding up the 60 Minutes tent and reformatting.
The modern information mix is not kind to juggernauts with a history of abusing the editorial process, spitting it back out as news.
Well, I'm sold!
"I never had forgery with those documents, not once" -Dan Rather
About 10 minutes in, Dan will tell about how this story was given the same level of scrutiny that all other stories at CBS receive. He will say he knows nothing that would change the story, but if he finds something he will be sure to let us all know.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall at the DNC or CBS News right now."
What do you mean by "or"? If you are at one then you are at the o[sup]th[/sup]er.
It's not enough to find a document from the era with the "th" superscript. There may well have been some even many typewriters capable of printing the "th" superscript in 1968. But the question is, were there any typewriters capable of printing the "th" superscript within the limited universe of machines that could also have produced the document in question? Thus pointing to a document with courier font for example and a superscripted 'th' will prove nothing whatsoever because the document in question was typed by a machine within a completely different category of typewriters.
Am I a typewriting expert? NO, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.