Skip to comments.Self-inflicted politics (MSNBC's Keith Olbermann attacks Michelle Malkin in his blog)
Posted on 08/19/2004 10:45:26 PM PDT by Cableguy
Michelle Malkin, the unfortunate and overmatched author of a self-loathing book that attempts to justify our World War II internment and robbery of Americans of Japanese heritage, became the harbinger of the next mucky smell of low tide. She raised the story heretofore consigned largely to Robert Novak and everybody to his right in that delightful, Teflon way of modern politics: Im not saying that John Kerry shot himself. But in the Swift Boat Veterans book, they ask whether or not his wounds were self-inflicted.
If Ms. Malkin isnt seen on television, or moving on her own power, in the next few days, its understandable. My colleague Mr. Matthews forced her to hang herself out to dry ten or eleven times (never prouder of you, Chris). He may have directed the momentum, but her wounds were ultimately, uh, self-inflicted.
As Chris rightly pointed out, nobody has produced an iota of evidence that John Kerrys wounds were anything other than the result of combat. Even in the book, the references to it are speculative and without provenance. Ms. Malkin wouldnt even go so far as to attribute the suspicion to herself. It was in the book.
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The ass-kicking in ratings he has taken from FOX should have made him plenty sore already.
Kicked off? Was he ever on it?
I doesnt matter they can scream and yell, shout down guest all they want to, the truth is out there NOTHING THEY CAN DO ! field a new candidate and do it quickly!
He also talked about Michelle on Countdown. I think it's nasty letter time to the management of MSNBC. They can't afford to lose any of us as viewers. There ratings are already in the basement.
This is about the politics of the Smear Thrice Removed. Im not saying this, but questions have been raised by others.
Sounds like the liberal media. "We aren't saying it, but Wilson says Bush blah blah blah. We aren't saying it, but some 9/11 families are saying Bush blah blah blah. We aren't saying it, but Michael Moore says blah blah BURP blah blah FART
Olbermann is lucky he can compare his ratings favorably to McEnroe.
besides writing to msnbc, contact Investor Relations at General Electric their parent company and let them know you are not happy and concerned about MSNBC's dropping ratings...and resulting profits.....helps if you are a "stockholder",,,
way to keep yourself journalistically neutral there Keith. No wonder people only remember you as "the guy who use to do Sportscenter with Dan Patrick"
IMHO, crissy mathews, and keith olberman must be the ONLY TWO PEOPLE in the WORLD, who have never seen the movie,"A Christmas Story" It's the one with the kid who wants a Red RYDER BB gun,("You'll shoot yer eye out, kid !!!") who on his first attempt to fire it, ends up with a "SELF-INFLICTED" wound.
And if THAT explanation is TOO HARD FOR THEM TO "GRASP",...
all crissy had to do was ask max cleland what a "SELF-INFLICTED" wound is......
I am sure that late at night, Olbermann grits his teeth in his sleep because Craig Kilborn is leaving a high-paying network job on his own terms and returned to ESPN's 25th Anniversary celebration last week like a conquering hero. Meanwhile, there he is on MSNBC, toiling away for a 0.1 rating.
IIRC I was a freeper during the impeachment and we organized a campaign to GE and their stock actually dropped about 10%...I don't remember for sure because after the failed conviction of Clinton I dropped out of sight and just tried to forget that monumental failure of our leaders..maybe someone else here remembers....
Yeah, he was on it. NBC even put out a press release last year. Then they replaced him with Jim Lampley. Keith Olbermann probably pissed off the NBC execs like he did at ESPN.
Maybe Grant Wahl borrowed Keith's idea for Olympics coverage...though I can't imagine NBC being upset with such an idea.
Michelle Malkin was wrong to suggest that "self-inflicted wounds" meant Kerry deliberately shot himself. It's clear that what was meant was that Kerry inflicted the wounds on himself via accident or carelessness.
Nobody's perfect. She just made a mistake. It wasn't through bad intentions, but it was a mistake. OK?
Don't write them. Any letter indicating anger at Olbermann is an admission you watch Olbermann. Keep quiet and wait for his show to be cancelled.
Remember that Olbermann's personality is so charming that he was the only big-name ESPN alum not invited back to be part of last week's "Old School SportsCenter."
It's sad too, because he really can put on a good program, when he's not being a massive prick.
Talk about "premature jockularity"!
No wonder he sticks up for Chrissy and Kerry..Pricks stick together..He thinks he is the second coming of Walter Cronkite...even worse he thinks its a compliment
His show sucks in my opinion. He was good at ESPN. That was about it.
LOL! And he has to attack Michelle Malkin? The Kerry Campaign Boat is goin' down. The Left is in panic. From Keith Olbermann to Robert Scheer, they're witnessing their Golden Boy being unable to handle tough questions and so they're tearing into every one who shows all the flaws in Kerry's persona - no wait his political Kevlar. When that finally disintegrates, its buh-bye Hanoi John and they know it.
Its a good question and Michelle asked it nicely and the Left can't shoot it down so they attack her personally. Good grief and if she did make a mistake, they won't let her get a word in edgewise. I think for the Olbermanns of this world the truth is political TNT - they can't afford to see it receive widespread exposure.
I doesnt matter they can scream and yell, shout down guest all they want to,
This really is the modus operandi of the liberals. Just listen to them. They shout and yell with no substance, just charges. They are soooooo empty. Makes a person just want to take a nap until they are out of breath, which seems like never.
AMBUSH JOURNALISM...OR MY EVENING WITH CAVEMAN CHRIS MATTHEWS
By Michelle Malkin · August 20, 2004 02:34 AM
Here's a peek behind the cable TV curtain. It's not pretty.
So, my publicist arranges for me to go on MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews on Thursday night to talk about my recent columns on the FBI and national security profiling and my new book. Despite the show's basement ratings, we figure it's a good opportunity to reach out to a new audience. FOX News, with whom I have a contract, has generously allowed me to appear on some competing networks to talk about the book. Thursday was the second to the last day that I could make such appearances.
A few hours before the show, a producer calls to tell me I will be on for two segments--the first topic will be the Swift Boat Veterans, the second topic will be related to the book. Fine. This is the news business. I understand the need to go with the flow and cover the hot issues of the day. I am prepared to discuss both topics.
In a pre-interview, the producer goes over general questions about Kerry's response to the Swift Boat vets, whether the charges will be an issue in the presidential debates, and the basic themes of my book and its implications for the current War on Terror. I am originally scheduled to be on with the Washington Post's Dana Milbank. This was scratched and I am informed at the last minute that the other guest will be former San Francisco mayor Willie Brown.
As I am seated at the table with Matthews, who I am meeting for the first time, he cracks a joke--and not in a well-meaning way--about how I look. (There are quite a few people who are hung up on this.) "Are you sure you are old enough to be on the show? What are you? 28?" I grit my teeth. He badgers me again with the same question. I politely answer his question and supply my age.
(I wonder how Matthews' wife, the respected TV journalist Kathleen Matthews, who hosts a show about working women, would react if informed about her husband's treatment of a fellow female journalist. I've been in the business a dozen years and would be happy to talk to Mrs. Matthews about my firsthand experience with Neanderthal chauvinism in the workplace.)
Needless to say, things went downhill, fast and loud, from there.
1) Matthews introduces me, says we'll get to the subject of my book "in a minute," and launches into a spiel about how Bush should order the Swift Boat Vets to stop running their ads. Matthews intentionally mischaracterizes me as "speaking on behalf of the Bush campaign," when he knew full well I was there (with special permission from FOX News) to talk about my book, which he had sitting right next to him on the table and which he had chatted with me briefly about before the start of the segment. I correct him. He does not acknowledge his error.
2) When I tried to make a point about how the mainstream media ought to subject John Kerry to as much skull-pounding interrogation as private citizens such as Swift Boat Vet Larry Thurlow had endured from Matthews and the Washington Post, Matthews cut me off and snorted that he had never been thought of as "mainstream." Yeah, keep snorting.
3) In response to Matthews' claim that the Swift Boat Vets campaign was orchestrated by the White House, I noted that the Boston Globe--hardly a hothouse of GOP operatives--had raised many of the same questions about Kerry's war record as the Swift Boat Vets had. No response from Matthews.
4) Willie Brown expresses exasperation over Swift Boat Vets' questions about Kerry's wounds. He says: "There are questions about the shrapnel wounds. So what else is there? How much he got shot? How deep? How much shrapnel does he have?
Note that I didn't bring the subject of shrapnel. (Got that, Keith Olbermann?) Willie Brown raised the issue.
Here is how I responded verbatim:
"Well yeah. Why don't people ask him more specific questions about the shrapnel in his leg? There are legitimate questions about whether or not it was a self-inflicted wound."
Matthews frantically stuffed words down my mouth when I raised these allegations made in Unfit for Command that Kerry's wounds might have been self-inflicted. In his ill-informed and ideologically warped mind, this transmogrified into me accusing Kerry of "shooting himself on purpose" to get an award.
I repeated that the allegations involved whether the injuries were "self inflicted wounds." I DID NOT SAY HE SHOT HIMSELF ON PURPOSE and Chris Matthews knows it.
Only someone who had not read Unfit for Command would interpret what I was saying the way Matthews did. The book raises questions by vets, many of whom were with Kerry, about whether there was or wasn't enemy fire during the Dec. 1968 incident that led to his first Purple Heart (Patrick Runyon is quoted in a Boston Globe account on p. 35 saying "I can't say for sure that we got return fire or how [Kerry] got nicked. I couldn't say one way or the other. I know he did get nicked, a scrape on the arm.") and whether the injury came from a self-inflicted wound after he caught a tiny piece of shrapnel when he fired a grenade from his M-79 grenade launcher too close (p. 36); whether or not there was "intense rocket and rifle fire" during the Feb. 1969 incident that led to his second Purple Heart (Rocky Hildreth, officer of an accompanying boat on Dam Doi Canal that day, says there was no "intense rocket and rifle fire" on p. 78); and whether the shrapnel wound in his buttocks, which Kerry says he sustained in March 1969 and led to the awarding of his third Purple Heart, was the result of a mine explosion while on a mission or from a wound from his own grenade that he set off too close to a stock of rice he was trying to destroy (p. 87). See also pages 30-31. I was trying to get to these points, but Matthews would not let me finish a sentence.
Well, guess what? This foaming jerk Matthews, who called me irresponsible and kicked me off the show admitted that a) he himself had not read the damned book, b) he was not interested in asking Kerry about the specific doubts raised by vets about his wounds, and c) he had not and would not question Kerry about these specific allegations.
"Are you saying he shot himself on purpose?" Matthews hammered. I repeated myself again clearly that I was referring to the allegations about self-inflicted wounds in the book. When I tried to explain that the vets who were with Kerry had cast a lot of doubt on whether enemy fire occurred during the first two incidents, Matthews cut me off again. "Why did you say that?" he badgered. Because, I said, I was talking about what was in the book, which he had admitted he hadn't read.
"Don't you wonder?" I asked.
"No, I don't," he bellowed. "It's never occurred to me."
With that, I was kicked off the second segment.
As the show broke for commercials, Matthews scrambled for his producers to see if what he said was true. And I'm irresponsible? One staffer ran to the office where I had left my copy of the book, and handed it to Matthews, who--for the first time, apparently--started flipping through it. I asked for my book back and politely said thank you. After I left, he trashed me again on the air and his scurrilous charges were repeated by his MSNBC colleague Keith Olbermann, who called me an "idiot."
I am used to playing hardball. I expect it. I am used to ad hominem attacks. I get more in a day than most of these wussies have received in their lifetimes. But what happened last night was pure slimeball and the unfair, unbalanced, and unhinged purveyors of journalism, or whatever it is they call what they do at MSNBC, should be ashamed.
What I take away from all this is that the Democrat Party waterboys in the media are in full desperation mode. I have now witnessed firsthand and up close (Matthews' spittle nearly hit me in the face) how the pressure from alternative media sources--the blogosphere, conservative Internet forums, talk radio, Regnery Publishing, FOX News, etc. --is driving these people absolutely batty.
Keep bringing it on.
By the way, the full MSNBC Hardball transcript is here. Matthews and Olbermann's blog bloviations are here. Olbermann expresses incredulity that I was simply reporting what the Swift Boat Vets' book says, rather than spouting off in a half-baked manner:
Ms. Malkin wouldnt even go so far as to attribute the suspicion to herself. It was in the book.
Olbermann, alleged journalist, is smearing me because I agreed to discuss and analyze claims made by the authors of Unfit for Command and actually referred to what was in the book--rather than cluelessly spew uninformed opinions about the book a la Chris Matthews (of whom Olbermann drools, "never prouder of you, Chris.") Parroting Matthews' conspiratorial line, Olbermann ignorantly suggests that I am following orders from the Swift Boat Vets to "steer the Kerry-Shot-Himself flotsam into the mainstream media." I suggest he talk to the producer, Dominic Bellone, who booked me about the circumstances of my appearance on the show and ask whether I was dispatched by the Bush campaign or Swift Boat Vets operatives or anyone else associated with the vets' book.
The feedback e-mail for Hardball is firstname.lastname@example.org.
Chris Matthews' phone number is listed in the Spring 2004 News Media Yellow Book as 202-885-4600.
You'll also note that Olbermann was among the few ESPN almuni NOT invited back for that network's 25th anniversary. Olbermann has a long history of infuriating TV executives (as well as viewers). When his current gig on MSNBC ends (and it will, very soon), he'll be lucky to get a weekend sportscaster job in Omaha. Meanwhile, Dan Patrick, Stuart Scott and a lot of other SportsCenter anchors have ridden to ESPN train to fame and fortune...
According to her article, posted here, she did NOT suggest that -- Matthews tried to twist what she said into that, but she did NOT suggest he shot himself. I would need to read the transcript, but that is Michelle's take on it.
BROWN: He volunteered twice. He volunteered twice in Vietnam. He literally got shot. Theres no question about any of those things. So what else is there to discuss? How much he got shot, how deep, how much shrapnel?
MALKIN: Well, yes. Why dont people ask him more specific questions about the shrapnel in his leg. They are legitimate questions about whether or not it was a self-inflicted wound.
MATTHEWS: What do you mean by self-inflicted? Are you saying he shot himself on purpose? Is that what youre saying?
MALKIN: Did you read the book...
MATTHEWS: Im asking a simple question. Are you saying that he shot himself on purpose.
MALKIN: Im saying some of these soldiers...
MATTHEWS: And Im asking question.
MALKIN: And Im answering it.
MATTHEWS: Did he shoot himself on purpose.
MALKIN: Some of the soldiers have made allegations that these were self-inflicted wounds.
MATTHEWS: No one has ever accused him of shooting himself on purpose.
MALKIN: That these were self-inflicted wounds.
MATTHEWS: Your saying there arehe shot himself on purpose, thats a criminal act?
MALKIN: Im saying that Ive read the book and some of the...
MATTHEWS: I want an answer yes or no, Michelle.
MALKIN: Some of the veterans say...
MATTHEWS: No. No one has every accused him of shooting himself on purpose.
MALKIN: Yes. Some of them say that.
MATTHEWS: Tell me where that...
MALKIN: Self-inflicted woundsin February, 1969.
MATTHEWS: This is not a show for this kind of talk. Are you accusing him of shooting himself on purpose to avoid combat or to get credit?
MALKIN: Im saying thats what some of these...
MATTHEWS: Give me a name.
MALKIN: Patrick Runyan (ph) and William Zeldonaz (ph).
MATTHEWS: They saidPatrick Runyan...
MALKIN: These people have...
MATTHEWS: And they said he shot himself on purpose to avoid combat or take credit for a wound?
MALKIN: These people have cast a lot of doubt on whether or not...
MATTHEWS: Thats cast a lot of doubt. Thats complete nonsense.
MALKIN: Did you read the section in the book...
MATTHEWS: I want a statement from you on this program, say to me right, that you believe he shot himself to get credit for a purpose of heart.
MALKIN: Im not sure. Im saying...
MATTHEWS: Why did you say?
MALKIN: Im talking about whats in the book.
MATTHEWS: What is in the book. Is thereis there a direct accusation in any book youve ever read in your life that says John Kerry ever shot himself on purpose to get credit for a purple heart? On purpose?
MATTHEWS: On purpose? Yes or no, Michelle.
MALKIN: In the February 1969 -- in the February 1969 event.
MATTHEWS: Did he say on it purpose.
MALKIN: There are doubts about whether or not it was intense rifle fire or not. And I wish you would ask these questions of John Kerry instead of me.
MATTHEWS: I have never heard anyone say he shot himself on purpose.
I havent heard you say it.
MALKIN: Have you tried to askhave you tried ask John Kerry these questions?
MATTHEWS: If he shot himself on purpose. No. I have not asked him that.
MALKIN: Dont you wonder?
MATTHEWS: No, I dont. Its never occurred to me.
She should have just painfully described to Matthews the difference b/w a self-inflicted wound and shooting yourself on purpose. Matthews was pathetic here, but Malkin could have taken a different tact. Why doesn't anybody ever ask Matthews why he spends so much time attacking conservative 527s, but not liberal 527s that spew the Bush=Hitler crap? I sent a long email to Matthews this morning, not that it will do any good.
You are right. Advertisers should be targeted. Oberman also has gone over the top, maybe he just can't deal with popular women journalists.
Olbermann is an idiot.
The very fact that he is repeatedly inflicted upon us, despite his inability to garner ratings, is evidence, in and of itself, of the left-wing media bias.
This guy needs to get his dorky haircut back, return to Channel 5 in LA and show his 'hilarious' World of Wide Sports clips.
Both Olbermann and Matthews shamed themselves, in their blogs and on their shows.
They look like they're Tag-Teaming on a Woman.
Rush is going to have Michelle Malkin on his show!
I didn't know that MSNBC was even on the air anymore. I am even more suprised that people actually watch the channel.
Actually worse. He's a typical liberal elitist who's too smart by half. People like Olbermann and Matthews aren't capable of honest debate because facts are rarely on their side. Therefore they rely on interruption, namecalling and volume to strengthen their argument in the hope that those techniques will quell the opposition. They don't.
As usual it's the liberals who, after inventing it, are the first to invoke political correctedness...and the first to circumvent it.
Olbermann's show is terrible. MSNBC should put Pat Buchanon in the 9pm time slot and put Steve Malzberg against Bob Beckel in the 8pm time slot.
It was mighty RACIST for olberman to describe Michelle as "self-loathing" because she defended japanese-american internment during WWII. did anybody catch that?
Olbermann is now claiming that he never called Malkin an 'idiot'.
I distinctly remember him making some smart ass remark when the show opened that included the word idiot.
I've checked the transcript and there is no record of the opening remark, just his standard opening, "Which of these stories will you be talking about tomorrow?".
In his blog, he says that he went and checked the transcript to see if he called her an idiot and of course couldn't find it. This gives him an out when he's caught.
Did any Freeper waste video tape on this loser?
He's likely under contract and since they know he doesn't have an audience, they know he can't do much harm.
I don't think we'll see him after this year. Of course, we may not see MSNBC after this year. That is such a pathetic network.
I heard it immediately when I read it. Hell Keith, those slanty eyed Asian folk all look alike, don't they.
What a prick he is.
More people will see this thread than see his show.
>>>> field a new candidate and do it quickly!
Unless his name is Zell Miller, we will destroy him too. It's beautiful.
>>>> did anybody catch that?
That is a huge stretch. You will miss the real bias and hate when you start looking for it in the tiniest of details.
I just saw one replay tonight where he said she "made a fool of herself" (which, of course, is stupid), but did not use the word idiot. However, I don't know if what I saw was what you are referring to. You could have seen a different part that he didn't replay for obvious reasons.
My wife hears "concepts" in her head sometimes and not words when she is listening. I might say "putting stress on that board" and she might later say that I said "bending that board," or something like that. It is possible that MM "heard" idiot when he actually said "fool..." The later is a bit more benign, though in this case it is basically the same since she was repeating what hasn't been refuted.
Tonight Olbermann got a Vietnam vet to speculate on whether John Kerry inflicted a wound upon himself. This guy wasn't in Kerry's outfit (that I heard), so how would he know? Does Olbermann really think Americans can be fooled by an opinion of someone who wasn't there over an observation of several that were?