Ancient European Remains Discovered In Qinghai (China)

Xinhuanet/China View ^ | 7-6-2004

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Ancient European remains discovered in Qinghai

www.chinaview.cn 2004-07-06 15:32:53

XINING, July 6 (Xinhuanet) -- Archeologists confirmed that the human skeletons discovered this May in northwest China's Qinghai Province belonged to three Europeans who lived in China over 1,900 years ago.

"The physical characteristics of the bones showed it is a typical European race," said Wang Minghui, an expert with the archeological institute under the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.

The skeletons were spotted at Zhongchuan Town of the province's eastern most Minhe Hui and Tu Autonomous County.

Since 2002, archeologists have unearthed nine tombs of Han Dynasty (206 BC-220 AD) at a construction site of a brickfield in the town, but it was not until this May that they felt the skeletons in two tombs "very special", said Ren Xiaoyan, deputy director if the provincial archeological institute, who added they invited Wang, who specializes in human bone identification, to take part in the study on the findings.

Qinghai is on the southern section of the world-known land trade corridor -- the Silk Road, linking China with Central and Western Asia and to the eastern shores of the Mediterranean begins in the country's northwest and runs 7,000 kilometers.

Serving as an important bridge for the economic and cultural exchanges between the East and the West, the area, which the Silk Road covered in China, used to see throngs of Indian, Persian, Arabic, Greek and Roman people.

Ren said the tomb shape, the burial articles and the way they were put in the tomb are all typical in Eastern Han Dynasty (25-220), which proved the three westerners had lived here for a long time and were accustomed to local traditions and customs.

"Although so far, we have been not sure of the country the three Europeans came from and there might be a large number of such 'westerners' living here at the ancient time," said Ren.

Such European skeletons have only been revealed in northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, a neighboring region which is to the northwest of Qinghai, so the discovery this time is of great importance for the study of the ancient society in Qinghai, said Wang. Enditem

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Read this:

Immigrants From The Other Side

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"My mom wants the rest of the article! I was reading it to her over the phone and the link just left us hangin'!"

Here you go...the whole article.

The Curse Of The Red-Headed Mummy

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Wow that is a cool article! My speciality was lithic analysis and we all used to 'lust' after Clovis and Solutrean points, in the sense of getting to that level of flintknapping ability. I left the field around the time they started this research. Very interesting.

All those guys in that article are major league researchers.

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afrocentric types embrace the erroneous doctrine of 'me tooism and greatness by association' same reasoning why these articles also frequently discussed on websites like SF,etc

TRue. And it's silly. Black Africa is separated into so many different groups, nay, races -- the Negroids in the West and South and the Ethiopians-Somalis in the East and the Bushmen in the south. Ethiopians-Nubians etc have a long history dating before pharoanic times. Negroids have a shorter history but had a great kingdom in Benin and Ghana.

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"These people may have established these traditions and customs."

I doubt that, Chinese civilization is very very old, and pretty as advanced as western civilization at any given time, until the industrail revolution.

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Those all look like Indo-European languages. Do they call them Aryan where you are from? Never took many linguistic classes, so maybe I am mixed up here.

Indo-European is interchangeable with Aryan IMHO. Arya is taken from the Sanskrit-Avestan word for noble man. The Aryans/Indo-Europeans did move into India driving another Caucasian group, the Dravidians, to the south. At the same time they moved west into Anatolia, to form the Mittani and Hittite 'empires'. They then moved further west into Europe

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GReat diagram!

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It could be argued that China is now totally Christian.

How do you arrive at that conclusion?

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These 'Celtic-like' people were in the area prior to any Iranian or Indian tribes, they did come later though

I don't know on what basis you call them 'Celtic-like'. There doesn't seem to be a valid reason for that. Celtic is not a race, it's a language group. The 'sub-races' in the main three branches are very difficult to separate unless we take extreme examples and mostly not even then (except for Afroids).

What I mean by that is that there is next to no pointable standard diversity between the sub-groupings in the Caucasian or Mongoloid races. Afroids have a lot more diversity. I think this was proved genetically as well giving credence to the out of Africa theory.

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I doubt that, Chinese civilization is very very old, and pretty as advanced as western civilization at any given time, until the industrail revolution.

well, yes and no. Chinese civilisation IS very old but mostly based in the heartland i.e. eastern China. The Xinjiang area was not really Chinese in population until pretty recently.

Chinese civilisation also borrowed a lot from it's neighbours -- for instance Buddhism, the architecture of pagodas, martial arts etc. were all brought to China by Buddhist missionaries from the Indian continent.

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How do you arrive at that conclusion?

It's not really a conclusion, more of a stray thought. Early Christians, some of them, had communes and might be considered prototypical communists. Secular communism is what they bought in China, but they might have been predisposed for it by early religious communal thinking.

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It's not really a conclusion, more of a stray thought. Early Christians, some of them, had communes and might be considered prototypical communists. Secular communism is what they bought in China, but they might have been predisposed for it by early religious communal thinking.

Do note that the idea of communes etc. is pre-Christian and in China seems to have been brought along with Buddhism. The Chinese form of communism is really nothing more than totalitarianism -- something China has experienced for the past 2000 years. It's like Russia -- they are not used to democracy, they've always been ruled by a ruler with an iron fist and cannot adjust to anything else. Compare these nations to nations that are more used to chaos viz. democracy(!) like th US, the UK, India etc. They have long histories of multiple groupings within the country with no centralised power lasting for too long.

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"I think that story belongs in "Chariots of the Gods" or Atlantis."

Hey, we have a plaque here at the mouth of Mobile Bay (Ft Morgan) commerating Prince Madoc's landing here in 1170AD. (No kidding)

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(Prince) Madoc In America

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"I don't know on what basis you call them 'Celtic-like'. There doesn't seem to be a valid reason for that."

Read the book, The Mummies Of Urumchi, Dr Elizabeth Barber makes a direct connection to the mummies in the Tarim Basin to the Celtic/La Tene people around Hallstadt, Austria. In fact, chapter #7 in her book is titled, Hami (NW corner of Turfan Basin) and Hallstatt

And, Dr Victor Mair/Dr J.P. Malloy make similar connections in their book, The Tarim Mummies.

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"well, yes and no. Chinese civilisation IS very old but mostly based in the heartland i.e. eastern China. The Xinjiang area was not really Chinese in population until pretty recently."

Chinese skeletons started showing up in this region about 100BC, previous to that, they were all Caucasoid.

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No doubt. A lot of Christianity was also pre-Christian. Makes the new thing more palatable if it is like the old thing.

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"Wow that is a cool article! "

You'll like this one too. Ever heard of mummies in Florida?

Bye Bye Beringia (7-8,000 Year Old Site In Florida)

Be sure to go to and click on post #51. 'European' DNA in the 90 preserved brains.

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You may find this interesting

Celtic Found To Have Ancient Roots

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" The first great civilisations were either Caucasoid (Sumerian, Canaanite, Harappan) or partly so (I think Egyptians were more Semitic-Ethiopian like)."

Dr Stephen Oppenheimer, in his book, Eden In The East, and Dr Robert Schoch, in his book, Voyages Of The Pyramid Builders, make reasonable arguments that the first Sumerians were refugees from Sundaland, in SE Asia, that went underwater about 8,000 years ago.