Posted on 06/24/2004 7:04:48 PM PDT by Dog Gone
Still, I'd like to see a ton of pictures right away.
Darn, even one person can't keep a secret.
Yeh, let the government jerks carry away all the best pieces to some university.
No one will ever see these artifacts. They'll just sit in a drawer somewhere to rot away. Other artifacts will be stolen by government/university jerks and sold on the black market.
Waldo should have set up a private corporation or foundation to care for the property.
Note 4WD track proceeding up the canyon to the left (west). I suspect the ruins begin somewhere in the center of the map frame and proceed west up the canyon. Note: if this doesn't open up in "large" map size format (according to the legend on the left), click on "large" and update.
All of us who are familiar with Mesa Verde, Chaco Canyon, Canon de Chelly, Hovenweep, Bandolier, etc. recognize this is a very significant find.
But this site is even more important than the article claims, because this is a Fremont site. The Fremont were the next door neighbors of the much better known Anasazi. The reason the Anasazi are better know is that they left more stuff behind. One of the few things we know about the Fremont is that they were different than the Anasazi, but still had contact with them, and had cultural similarities, such as petroglyph styles. This site may answer how different their culture really was from the Anasazi.
Someone needs to nominate this man for a Congressional Medal of Honor.
This is a great treasure .
There is a museum in Sacramento that has a plexiglass floor over an archaeological dig area. It is hard to adjust to venturing out onto an area that feels like you are walking on air.
That would be the one of the best ways to perserve parts of this area. They could make a plexiglass walkway over the paths of the tour area. They could also install alarms to notify them if someone decided deviate from the tour path.
http://governor.utah.gov/planning/pixwilcox.htm
http://www.utahrockart.org/vestiges/archives/2002-09.pdf
http://www.ecprogress.com/index.php?id=1&go=news&pub=2004-06-15
http://www.shovelbums.org/field%20schools/2004/us-field-schools-2004.html (search for "range creek", missed the op)
which included cannibalism....
Anyone here ever hear about a secret part of the grand canyon that supposedly has egyptian writings etc.? The part of the canyon has Egyptian names and the government has sealed it off. Fortean stuff but I can never find anymore info..
"They were little people, the ones I've seen dug up. They were wrapped like Egyptians, in strips of beaver skin and cedar board, preserved as perfect,"
That sort of solution might allow much earlier public access. Even so, I'd guess that it would be no less than 10 years before any of us could get in there. Just to build a public road and visitor facilities will require an environmental impact statement, blah blah blah.
How in the heck do you come across interesting articles like that? Mine was easy. It was an AP article.
I've had the pleasure of visiting several Anasazi sites in the Southwest and am most impressed by Chaco Canon -- Casa Bonita, et al.
There is a strong spiritual sense about these places. They were home to people we can reach out to and almost touch, as you describe.
They inspired my wife to reach out to her ancestors, launching her into the hobby of geneaology.
If you follow the creek up stream on the map series you linked you can eventually find the cabin (and loading chutes) referenced in the article.
Or find another person like himself to keep an eye on it. If I were in his shoes, I'd take my chances with private ownership as opposed to turning it over to the gov't.
"During the same era, in the northern stretches of what is now the Moab/Green River area, there was another group of agriculturalists, the Freemont people, who also cultivated corn. The two cultures 'overlapped' across this region from A.D. 1 to A.D. 1275."
Beginning around 1200 A.D. both the Anasazi and Fremont begin leaving the area. Today, the Hopi, Zuni and some other Pueblo tribes, now living in New Mexico and Arizona, are thought to be the descendants of the Anasazi culture. The Fremont culture has no known link to any modern tribe.
Something I find peculiar in both these articles. They are referred to as Freemont People, not Freemont Indians.
Wonder why?
After our discussion yesterday and earlier today, now you've REALLY got me interested in ancient cultural migrations. Your comment here is only throwing wood on the fire.
Nancy Yaw Davis
The Zuni Enigma
Did a group of thirteenth-century Japanese journey to the American Southwest, there to merge with the people, language, and religion of the Zuni tribe?
For many years, anthropologists have understood the Zuni in the American Southwest to occupy a special place in Native American culture and ethnography. Their language, religion, and blood type are startlingly different from all other tribes. Most puzzling, the Zuni appear to have much in common with the people of Japan.
In a book with groundbreaking implications, Dr. Nancy Yaw Davis examines the evidence underscoring the Zuni enigma, and suggests the circumstances that may have led Japanese on a religious quest-searching for the legendary "middle world" of Buddhism-across the Pacific and to the American Southwest more than seven hundred years ago.
Nancy Yaw Davis holds an M.A. from the University of Chicago and a Ph.D. in anthropology from the University of Washington. Author of numerous articles, she has long researched the history and cultures of the native peoples of North America. Her company, Cultural Dynamics, is located in Anchorage, Alaska, where she lives.
It's addictive.
What an awesome find. Thanks for posting this!
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