Posted on 05/28/2004 2:21:23 PM PDT by Interesting Times
Admiral Roy Hoffman, former commander of all Swift Boat operations in Vietnam, will appear on Hannity & Colmes tonight. He will discuss a film clip Fox News has found of John Kerry in Washington in 1971, presumably during the Dewey Canyon III protest, claiming that he had just spoken to a fellow vet who had a "pocket full of ears." As usual, Kerry provided no evidence to support this claim...
John O'Neill, also of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, appeared on Major Garrett's show around 5pm Eastern to counter Kerry's slanderous remarks about his fellow Vietnam veterans.
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
FU** the Toledo Blade!
As you know, John Kerry has been under attack on the internet recently by George Bush’s cadre of rightwing veterans. Their distortions, lies, half-truths, and phony, doctored photographs are an affront to every one of us who has ever worn the uniform of our country. We must fight back for John’s sake, and our own.
As part of their hate campaign, a tiny, fringe group of rightwing veterans has been using phony, doctored photographs, distortions of John’s record, and outright lies. We cannot allow them to attack John unchallenged. The following article is from today’s New York Times and sets forth in no uncertain terms John McCain’s opinion of one of the leaders of these attacks against John. Please distribute this article widely, but at the least distribute it to all your vet contacts - and ask them in turn to distribute it to their vet contacts. We must fight back for John – and we must do so now.
Thank you for your support and hard work for John and, as always, thank you for your service to our country.
John Hurley
Director, Veterans for Kerry
Mum's the word...
Wasn't that a nice touch the way Fox(Monica) cut the Admiral off... Colmes and Fox and their "hard breaks", and for a shameless promotion of Hitlary, nonetheless.
THat Kerry backing idiot Hurley or whatever his name was can go to hell.
What was that again about "outright lies," Mr. Hurley?
VICTORY CELEBRATION: Kerry (seated, center) and the ''Doghunters'' in 1985, after he won his first Senate seat. The Doghunters are a group of about a dozen Vietnam War veterans who marshaled their forces to support the candidate then and have been fixtures on the Kerry campaign circuit ever since.
He is the jerk behind Kerry.
Kerry (was said to have)had blood on his hands for leading antiwar protests that encouraged the Viet Cong and thus caused more U.S. casualties. The Doghunters sprang into action. Vallely recruited a little-known congressman from Arizona, a Vietnam War hero named John McCain, to vouch for John Kerry's valor in combat. I'll never forget Vallely telling me about McCain that day in 1984. "This guy's going to be a star," he said.
Of all the commercials I have made for Kerry, my favorite capitalized on Shamie's unflinching support for the Reagan arms buildup. Kerry, in sweater and jeans, walked through an old-time hardware store. The big political stories of the day catalogued a Pentagon spending spree, where it paid exorbitant prices for ordinary goods: $200 hammers, etc. In the commercial, Kerry displayed an item from the shelf and compared its retail price to what the military had paid. "The Pentagon paid $110 for this 10-cent diode." He looked at the camera, smiled slightly, and said: "Anyone who thinks you need to spend like this to keep America safe ... must have a screw loose." The commercial won many awards, and Kerry easily won the election.
Of course, John Kerry wouldn't know what a hardware store looked like unless someone told him during an election campaign photo op. Since his wife pays the bills I doubt that he knows what anything costs either.
Kerry's. Doghunters," continually fended off criticisms from the far right. ... The "doghunters," called "Kerry's commandos" by the press...
"After the 1984 election, the Doghunters had a black-tie dinner at my house, and the only thing we didn't drink was the Aqua Velva [aftershave]," John Marttila, a political consultant who has worked on every Kerry campaign, says. "They've had regular dinners ever since.
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The time Kerry spent with McCain - and, to a lesser extent, with Bob Kerrey and Chuck Robb - completed the transformation that the Doghunters had begun. He was no longer a political loner; he was, finally, part of a distinct, bipartisan, and emotionally intense group: the Vietnam combat veterans in the United States Senate. (Max Cleland, of Georgia, and Chuck Hagel, of Nebraska joined the group in 1996; Kerrey and Robb departed in 2000.) They took common positions on veterans' issues, and sometimes on questions of war and peace, but they were most passionately united when one or another of them was attacked.
Finding his place among comrades was Kerry's first step in from the political cold. There were two others, frequently cited by friends: his victory over William Weld in the 1996 Massachusetts Senate race and his improbable second marriage, to Teresa Heinz.
The notion that Kerry married Heinz for political reasons - specifically, to use her money to run for president - is put to rest within nanoseconds of meeting her: this is a flagrantly impolitic human being. The marriage is bursting with strong emotions and ill-concealed conflicts, and much too complicated for the facile armchair psychologising that goes on during a presidential campaign. It is not the sort of relationship that an ambitious politician, in his right mind, would want; it is likely to be a distraction for the press corps, an easy way to obscure the campaign's "message". One can only conclude, it must be love.
Heinz will not be censored. "John went on too long," she said the day I met her, after watching her husband deliver his Iraq speech in the Senate chamber on c-span [TV link]. "But that's what happens when he starts thinking about history."
Well, thanks then! I added you to my list awhile back. Let me know if I should remove you. Please do by private freeemail, so I don't miss seeing it, ok?
You are not weird.........
................................scary?.............. yes, but not weird.
The Admiral was much too wise and experienced for Colmes and the lackey to pull one over. Nice job Admiral!
John Hurley is the National Director of Veterans for Kerry and has been working full time as a volunteer in John Kerry’s presidential campaign for over a year. An attorney, Hurley is a Vietnam veteran who served with the U.S. Army in the Mekong Delta in 1967-1968. He was a Platoon Leader in Company B, 69th Engineer Battalion. He is 61 and lives in Wellesley, Massachusetts with his wife, Anne Goggin, and their three children, Caitlin, Conor, and Julia.
Hurley has also had to retract his claims that he witnessed atrocities in Vietnam. There is a public statement to this and an acknowledgement by Brinkley that the "revised" edition of Tour of Duty will remove Hurley's earlier accusations. In other words, HURLEY TOO LIED ABOUT VIETNAM WAR CRIMES.
Mr. Kerry's campaign has done more than contradict itself. It has been in full coverup mode. John Musgrave, one of the six witnesses who placed Mr. Kerry at the Kansas City meeting, says the head of Veterans for Kerry, John Hurley, called him twice and pressured him to change the story he had already told a Kansas City Star reporter about the 1971 meeting.
According to Mr. Musgrave, Mr. Hurley told him that the senator "was definitely not in Kansas City." The New York Sun reports that Mr. Musgrave, who received three Purple Hearts in Vietnam, told Mr. Hurley that "I remember what I remember." Mr. Hurley then said, "Why don't you refresh your memory and call that reporter back?" Mr. Hurley says he thinks Mr. Musgrave is mistaken and was simply insisting Mr. Musgrave be very sure of his recollection. "I would apologize to John Musgrave if he thought in any way I was pressuring him," he told the Kansas City Star.
The veteran, John Musgrave, says he was called twice by the head of Veterans for Kerry, John Hurley, while a reporter for the Kansas City Star worked on a follow-up piece to a New York Sun article about the November 1971 meeting of Vietnam Veterans Against the War at which a plot to kill U.S. senators was voted down. Asked by The New York Sun if he felt pressured, Mr. Musgrave said, “In the second call I did.” Mr. Musgrave said Mr. Hurley said Mr. Kerry had told him “he was definitely not in Kansas City.”
According to Mr. Musgrave, Mr. Hurley said, “Why don’t you refresh your memory and call that reporter back?”
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The "Doghunters" are on the prowl. The band of Vietnam veterans who have been protecting John Kerry's political flank since 1984 will be canvassing American Legion halls and Veterans of Foreign Wars posts in coming weeks to mobilize support for the Democrat's presidential bid.
The timing suggests a counteroffensive designed to help Kerry with military voters after he angered Republicans — and upset a few Democrats — with his wartime comment that the United States, like Iraq (news - web sites), needed a "regime change."
I guess Hurley doesn't consider National Guard men and women who serve veterans.
Right. Like Kerry himself, the campaign can't decide whether it wants to defend his statements that he saw/committed/knew about atrocities or back away, saying the statments were "youthful exaggerations," etc. Complete confusion and repeated lies.
``I took offense then and I take offense now,'' said Ted Sampley, 57, who helped organize a group called Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry. Kerry helped turn policy makers against the war, potentially ruining U.S. chances for a victory, Sampley said. ``His testimony in '71 echoed all through those years.''
Sampley said his group has sent out 30,000 to 40,000 anti- Kerry bumper stickers and has more than 3,000 names on a direct mailing list. His group plans to organize protests and show up at campaign events and question Kerry, Sampley said.
``I really think those leveling that criticism are in a distinct minority,'' Hurley, head of the Veterans for Kerry group, said on a conference call with reporters this month. ``I have had countless vets come to me and say of his testimony in 1971 -- `That's the Kerry we want'.'
Thanks for the ping!
That's the Big Lie -- that most veterans somehow approve of what John Kerry said to slander them after he bailed out of Vietnam. We'll see how long the Kerryites and their media pals can maintain that particular fiction...
bttt
These guys don't get enough publicity. Most of them I've seen on TV are very good spokesmen and have their facts in order. I would like to see them on Brit's show unopposed, so they could get their facts out uninterrupted.
Have I told you lately that Alan Colmes looks like a sick alien? No disrespect to the aliens out there.
I was shocked when the press did that poll where the people were asked if they knew skerry was a Nam vet. Most did not. Shows how much they listen to his dumb *ss.
"Have I told you lately that Alan Colmes looks like a sick alien? No disrespect to the aliens out there. "
Poor Alan, he does have a "vacant" look as he reshuffles the liberal babel.
Everytime I hear these liberals talk about JFKerry it is always about introducing himself to the nation. JFKerry has that same tone, voice and "vacant" look as Alan.
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I think you got the wrong generation.
Oddly enough, I very rarely heard the term "gook" in 17 - 18 months in country.
I think you got the wrong generation.
Sorry norton, I meant to direct this to EPU. In a round about way, I think (!). Saying what I thought you responded to.
Sorry for my confustion.
Sorry norton, I meant to direct this to EPU. In a round about way, I think (!). Saying what I thought you responded to.
Sorry for my confusion.
And also sorry to question anyone's service. Got burned by a few jokers a while back. Some guys lie about their sevice. Got burned a few times.
No Sweat.
I guess youi've also heard "don't mean nothin'"
and several more.
Victor, Charlie, Mr Charles, slope, zip, dink, yadda-yadda.
Half are racist to today's norms and all merely serve to set you apart from the other guy - it helps when he, or someone looking very much like him, is trying to kill you.
Still, "gook" seemed to me at least to come from another generation; I think I said I rarely heard it, not never at all and perhaps more often after than during....
Not at all odd that it never occurred to me to walk up to a Korean grunt and say "gook" out loud or any other way.
Well at least one of the kids has an American name.
Ya, guess I've heard them all, too. I guess I still don't get exactly what you mean by this: "Still, "gook" seemed to me at least to come from another generation; I think I said I rarely heard it, not never at all and perhaps more often after than during....
Not at all odd that it never occurred to me to walk up to a Korean grunt and say "gook" out loud or any other way."
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Maybe that's the generation thing you meant, and I didn't pick up on it. Korean.
Seems most guys I know lump all Asians together. Is that what you mean, I think. I mean since Korea, that others refer to any Asian as gook. Seems like it to me, that might be right. What do you think? Seem right to you, too?
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