Posted on 05/19/2004 8:24:58 PM PDT by Jean S
My mother always said that cuss words are the mark of a poor education.
Your mother wasn't wrong....
I confess that I haven't looked at more than a few of these pictures. But the more I think it over, the more I think they have been mislabeled. They are NOT atrocities. They are demeaning and they are PORNOGRAPHIC.
Pornography, if I may say so, is not in Rumsfeld's line. It's more of a liberal disease than a conservative disease.
And it seems to have arisen because of a lack of discipline in the MP brigade that was chiefly responsible. That woman general should have been disciplined much earlier for letting her troops sleep with each other, get pregnant, and generally screw around with no supervision.
Sy Hersh is a leech!
Everything you've said is true.
The central question is why she wasn't. My feeling is that things got out of control because we're trying to do too much with too little - and that's because of budget constraints.
No. I've reconsidered. They're pornography AND atrocities.
Actually, I would say that the female general was not disciplined much earlier had to do with political correctness, and not much else.
Qwinn
LOL Ya know you are starting to grow on me but that is a very liberal attitude. Just throw money at the problem and it will go away. Why does it take money to make 6 adults exhibit a sense of right and wrong not to mention self-restraint and respect? Why does it take money to make a Brigadier General stop running her command like a bad imitation of M*A*S*H with no military discipline including a uniform optional policy and no saluting. Having said that you are show a lot of class on FR.
Quite possibly. I hope it turns out that you're correct. It'll be much better for the country.
It's true that money is not the solution to every problem...but it's also true that money is the solution to some problems. I can understand why Americans might want to inflict pain and humiliation upon Arabs...but that these people did it for amusement fills me with revulsion.
Me too. The first court martial today set the tone. The guy that pleaded guilty got the max even after he cut a deal to testify against the others. These perverts are in for some serious time at Leavenworth along with a full Colonel and very likely the Brigadier General.
"I hope it turns out that you're correct. It'll be much better for the country."
Only if political correctness is recognized for the mental disease that it is. If the same pattern continues, where a significant percentage of our population continues to get a free pass to commit crimes without repercussions, why would it be any better than the alternative?
Qwinn
That's the idea.
Expose the consequences of a free pass, and of mistaken ideas of equality, and - hopefully - our society will correct its errors and not make the same mistakes.
We'll make different mistakes, of course, but that's much, much better.
If political correctness is seen as the cause of Abu Ghraib there's a good chance we will take steps to abandon it.
It protecting tax breaks for the wealthy is seen as the cause it can only further polarize the country and hobble our efforts to effectively deal with our foreign enemies.
Atrocities??? Only if you mean how bad the photography actually was...bad lighting, lack of composition, barely able to see peoples faces, subject matter uninteresting....
I, too, thought it was laugh-out-loud funny that Sy Hersh and the heavy breathing media thought these secret projects at DOD were bad things. Yesterday on Scarborough, Bo Dietl hit it out of the park when he went off on the Republicans and the president for apologizing for the pattycakes tactics at Abu Ghraib. He and York are the only two commentators who haven't disappointed me about the non-torture of these killers.
Most forms of non-consensual sex are atrocities.
And then there was the deliberate infliction of pain - physical and psychological.
But if you want to make excuses....
You lack a sense of humor as well as a sense of proportion...No doubt you want all troops removed because we shouldn't be there in the first place. The people in this particular area of the prison are not good guys. They are the worst of our enemies and whatever information they had should be extracted. The only concern I have is pragmatic...will it work? Will the info be accurate? If the answer is yes to both then have at it. I do not care that the so called "rights" of people out of uniform who could be summarily executed for being spies are being "violated". War is hell.
I guess the only thing you had against Saddam Hussein was that he wasn't on our side. Pathetic...
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