Posted on 05/06/2004 5:11:22 PM PDT by E Rocc
This kerfuffle, like those before it, is a whole lot about get Bush, I hate Bush, and not much about truth.
These left wing nuts besmirching our troops and our country, are too consumed with hate to see what they are doing. Sadly, they are doing the same thing Kerry and the media did with Vietnam, but this time people have a means of countering their lies.
Truth will win out. Hatred is finished.
Emphatically agreed.
A "rat" in common parlance is someone who, having knowledge of and personal interest in a crime, gives up his accomplices to save his own skin.
This Soldier merely did what he was taught to do in boot camp...he told superiors about violations of the UCMJ and Geneva Conventions he witnessed. That is NOT a "rat"...that is an honorable, courageous Soldier of whom we should all be proud. I know I am.
Check out the Pentagon investigator's report. I believe you will change your mind.
Exactly .. besides we already knew it was a soldier that told .. we just didn't know his name
"Torture"?? That's BS. No torture. NO death. Worse stuff happens in college.
"A 'rat' in common parlance is someone who, having knowledge of and personal interest in a crime, gives up his accomplices to save his own skin."
And let's cut the crap. The Geneva Convention has been violated one-million times since it's inception. The fact of the matter is while this incident shouldn't be condoned, the degree and context of "violation" under wartime conditions was trivial , yet the damage caused is proportionately huge.
Now look at the mess this a-hole -- yes, and RAT -- has cause Dubya Bush, ALL American Armed Forces, AND Americans??
Go ahead -- be real "proud" of this idiot. It's your prerogative.
The Pentagon's official report is at this link. It details abuses which were FAR WORSE than any "college fraternity" nonsense. Perhaps you feel that being sodomized with a broomstick and chemlight, or raped, or attacked with a dog, or having your hands and feet stomped on, do not constitute torture. If not, then by all means explain what does.
"And let's cut the crap. The Geneva Convention has been violated one-million times since it's inception."
Irrelevant. WE make it our business, and our law, to follow it. It is but ONE of the things that sets us apart as a civilized nation.
Just because SOMEONE ELSE acts like a savage, doesn't give US license to do so.
"Now look at the mess this a-hole -- yes, and RAT -- has cause Dubya Bush, ALL American Armed Forces, AND Americans??"
The damage (and it is indeed severe, including that to the morale of the Armed Forces) was caused not by this one man doing his duty, but by those who perpetrated their sick, perverse acts on prisoners it was their duty to provide safety to, and who photographed themselves doing it for future "enjoyment'. It is with THEM that your anger should lie. Or, do you blame Bill Clinton's accusers for HIS transgressions too?
"Go ahead -- be real "proud" of this idiot. It's your prerogative."
I will, as he is a shining example of Honor, Commitment, and Courage. He "stood in the door" and did the Right Thing against what must have been overwhelming peer pressure.
Now I have a question for you...given your apparent lack of respect for superior orders, the UCMJ, and the concept of DUTY, and your, shall we say, "odd" shifting of the blame from the perps to the one who reported them, have you ever served in the military? I ask, because I have posted these exact same sentiments numerous times on FR, and all the Active Duty military and about 90% of the vets totally agree with my analysis. Oh, and EVERY person that I am priviledged to serve with does, too.
Absolutely! Truth shines a light in the darkness. The whole chain of command - all the way up to that stupid general who spouted off to the press inferring blame upon her subordinates - should be relieved and reduced in permanent rank. With rank and privilege comes responsibility.
This could even be worse if Darby hadn't taken action and the abuse was ongoing with no action taken when the photos came out; as they certainly would have eventually regardless of Darby's actions.
I was expecting to see some of that on this thread, no doubt.
IMO, the possible homosexual 'don't ask don't tell' connection shouldn't be ignored here. Darby may have been trying to alert the brass of the ramifications of a monumentally stupid policy.
Another one is just as disturbing.
Looking back through the US Naval Institute Proceedings, I found two articles--one from the mid-1970s, one from the late 1980s--advocating serious changes in how the military screens and trains recruits. This is necessary to keep people with major personality disorders from enlisting.
As far as I can tell, none of the proposed changes have ever been implemented.
Or he was part of the secret Clinton cabal that manages to control everything but the weather...
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